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So what's the difference then? Please specify because I don't see it. By the way he doesn't say it's out of infinite Loneliness or that it is unbearable..that's silly. Stop spreading misinformation.

I stopped 5 seconds in..he says yes it can change states but you're not going to be become more conscious..ummm ok. But enlightenment is a shift in consciousness which drastically expands consciousness so yes..it can. Why couldn't it? He's hung up on being against drugs because he didn't need them. Hooray. Neither did I. But who is to say they don't expand consciousness? Him? Ok. Guess he's the authority. Look i promote meditation but ultimately is it going to enlighten everyone? Obviously not or he wouldn't have all these followers they would all be awakened. It's not the tool anyway that's just the catalyst.

Haha I wish I could of recruited you years ago to fight against these neo-advaitans. But @James123 is a lot more.reformed nowadays you should have seen him a few years ago.

Bad one how did it even compare with what he said.

Ok easy guys...no suicidal ideation here please we are pro life.

Think about it. When you take a psychedelic you just take it and it invokes a shift in consciousness. Meditation is.no different. The point with meditation is to not know. To surrender is to know. So the ironic thing is the very thing he fights against is what can stop you. I know what you.mean in a sense you are surrendering the ego but that is after the ego is gone you can't think that going in. They are merely tools or a means to an end.

No meditation is really about just being there. Being present. It's not about surrendering. It's just staring at your hand. Or doing concentration meditation. Or self inquiry. Thats what the nature of meditation is. Nothing guarantees awakening but I can tell you that suffering plays a large role. Such that Jesus suffered on the cross. But that happens when life happens it is completely distinct from meditation practices .

Thank you @Ramasta9 this is excellent work. He needs to be reminded to come full circle. He has not done that yet. Bless his enlightened heart.. I can feel that now. But yet rather than diving into life and coming full circle to enjoy life to the fullest it almost seems like he just wants to paint that as the "dark side" and honestly i don't carry the paint for that. Let's get him moving in the right direction - thanks for that.

Bless you. Yes. The problem is neo-advaita became a religion. There was no metaphysical framework or spirituality. It was a material universe with no self in an empty body. All this no different than believing Jesus was the son of God who died on the cross. But bless you for bringing some of it hack.

Me too.

True on all counts brother. Suffering is indeed the best teacher. Words of wisdom. Rather than criticizing whether psychedelics work spend more time speaking about what you have said here to me they are wise words . Much love to you brother.

His stance is there is no you to take psychedelics.

Well the question would be as to whether it could produce a non-dual state for some and produce ego-death. I would not rule out that it isn't possible just because it didn't happen. Just like I'd say to Leo that meditation shouldn't be ruled out because it didn't happen. Or just letting go one morning when going to work. It worked for someone. The funny thing is Leo's best work to me was before he actually became enlightened but it was when he came back from his.meditation retreats. I don't know if he was taking psychedelics at this time. But some also came after. Either way for teachers like Ralston and Gura both are tremendous teachers and both have merit. Sorry to say but @Nahm i just think he's living in a world of deception and not enlightened at all. Sorry to break that you. Maybe he is but he could have fooled me.

Well said. So why can't psychedelics be a means of surrender or jumping off the cliff? Because it was intentional? when you surrendered without bounds and fell off the cliff didn't you mean to put yourself there ?

Right but in your words what is that?

Oh here come all the neo-advaitans now. Glad you all came out to play tonight. Glorious! 😀

Which is?

And what is after physical death?

Exactly. He really wants to say that experience belongs to the ego mind. The problem is the ego has co-opted Consciousness and made it theirs. And so experience has been co-opted by the ego. It isn't God or Pure Being looking at a thing it is the self or the body. So his premise is that anything with an egoic goal is null. This is obvious BS because it is the ego that co-opted Consciousness in the first place so how else would it get out but in reverse? Besides all of that - the ego is still no different than Consciousness or God - it's just that we want to strike a duality between the two. It's very tricky but very simple at the same time.

That's where the intent is. I am not knocking you I'm just saying you have to start from ego somewhere. It just is that. The thing is enlightenment is like winning the lotto. Its a secret door out of the.Matrix but you did use the Matrix at some point or the content within to get out. You purchased the ticket. You don't just wake up and boom you're enlightened- at least not for most of us.

If I recall and i may have confused you with someone else but didn't you sit in darkness for days? If not did enlightenment just simply dawn? Unfortunately this does not happen for all. For many a tool can be leveraged and this isn't a problem. Again what is within the Matrix breaks you out of the Matrix. Even if you just "let go" this had some type of intent. Otherwise you wouldn't allow yourself to let go.

It can be for some. A tool can be used for ill or good. Many sit in meditation with a desire for achieving enlightenment - an egoic pursuit- where for me i knew nothing I simply went through the motions seeing where it would go. It must be for the blind pursuit of Truth not for self achievement but for Truth itself. @James123 yet the same can be said for picking up the tool of psychedelics. You should not be so quick to judge.

Exactly. But I'll expand on that. When i awakened it wasn't even about letting go or achievement it was from a place of complete spiritual ignorance and just a curiosity into what is like a child might wonder about a toy or the sky. Nothing more. Ignorance is bliss. But spiritual knowledge could lead to the desire for achievement as you say - and therein you will be doomed to never discover Truth. The same can be said for psychedelics as much as you may want to dispute that. It is really no different than meditation.

Exactly. Haha are you Italian? Love the metaphor. I wish spaghetti would have enlightened me! 😃

If all things are within the Matrix then all things are equal within the Matrix. Sitting and staring at the wall or ingesting a pill are all still content within the Matrix. This is missed by even Ralston.