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I like David Pakman's take on this. He recognizes that this is a matter of who's in charge of private companies and if you don't run YouTube, you just don't get to dictate what counts as content that is allowed on the platform. Libertarian ideals of social media platforms being "neutral" are inherently self-biased and selfish. He also calls Stephan Molyneux a 'conspiracy theorist' and says Trump's Twitter should also be banned. Both a bit more controversial but I would also stand by them.

Being a confused mathematician.

Kyle Kulinski does not understand Spiral Dynamics. He thinks the Reddit, YouTube, and Twitch purge is part of a plot being done by "The Establishment" to eventually silence all fringe accounts regardless of political leaning. He also didn't even seem to know r/ChapTrapHouse was removed because it was too toxic, not because it was far left. His "free speech" take on this is ridiculous and borderline conspiratorial.

Ehhh. . . Thing is. . . Molyneux's channel has sorta gone past its prime. He's hardly had much of a dedicated fanbase compared to other conservatives. Even the leftist channels have largely ignored him in recent months. I can see a case being made if it were somebody like Steven Crowder or Ben Shapiro who still have large followings. But Molyneux's banning along with other prominent far-righters are only going to be really weaponized by far-right viewers and libertarian ideologues. I don't think the general public cares if someone can be reasoned with. They only care if the speaker is popular enough and seemingly likable enough to them. Becoming mainstream enough for enough of the public to defend you is the name of the game here.

Just as puke is more preferable to shit, I guess. As long as the channels being banned aren't overwhelmingly moderate conservatives, I'm pretty happy about this. They still get to have speech elsewhere, of course: elsewhere where there's less moderation. The more mainstream channels need to have higher standards of content. You can empathize all you want with all his videos being taken down but that ignores the kind of effect those videos had to the minds of an unwitting audience and potential future viewers. Not as bad as Alex Jones's influence but that's a very low bar to hold standards for. Don't forget non-violent far-righters like Ben Shapiro and Lauren Southern have been mentioned in shooter manifestos before. Doesn't mean they should get banned for it but it should at least cause them self-reflect a bit on their views. I think it did Lauren Southern a bit because she recently came back with more moderate centrist views recently.

haha. Though I can't put films on a shuffle playlist and they typically don't only last 3-4 minutes long. As long as I don't listen to Heavy Metal genres on a regular basis, I should be fine. In my real life, I actually prefer documentaries and animated films.

That's sorta my story too. I used to be a huge fan of Hardcore Techno stuff but the more consciousness work I've done, the more I've begun to appreciate more moderate laid-back styles of Dance music. Plus I was also just really pretentious about being "hardcore" back then, it was childish and I had to let it go. Although maybe Hardcore Electronic music has a more "hypnotic" feel to me than Hardcore Rock music. To be perfectly honest, I'm not that big a fan of the latter so perhaps I'm not completely on board with Heavy Metal as you might think I am. Hardcore Techno could be a bit more of a compromise for me and my consciousness work than most Heavy Metal tracks.

@Leo Gura Don't create an arbitrary duality between Heavy Metal and Classical music.

So pretentious lol. . . Letting yourself loose to hardcore music is still a legitimate expression of consciousness. Personally, I'm more of a House/Techno guy but I have great respect for the dark (musical) arts.

Culture wars have been going on online since 2016 and maybe even earlier lol.

It's about the Orange Square incident. lolz

Yes, I started an entire thread about it. But it's still good you posted it here. That thread is now locked by a mod after it sparked a few unnecessary arguments.

LOL. Meanwhile. . . . Libertarians two months ago: "The Lockdown is One of Humanity's Biggest Mistakes in Modern History"

*mostly Red states

I still like Vaush overall. But yeah, this is my issue with not just him but his ilk in a nutshell. They'll often dismiss types like Stephen Colbert, John Oliver, or even David Pakman as neo-liberals as if they're brand of progressivism gets nothing accomplished or actively enforces the status quo.

@Leo Gura I've thought about it some more and now I genuinely think you're wrong in saying that Vaush thinks most conservatives are fascists. Not quite sure where you got that from. I've been a fan of his content for many months and I never got that message from him. And he certainly has never just said it outright. I think he just believes that there is a significant section of online right-wing political discourse that largely represents fascist behavior. I don't think you're being charitable enough to him but I will admit that he does lean towards ideological tendencies as well. But hey, at least he recognizes the importance of voting for Biden 2020 lol.

@Epikur Don't argue this with me. It's very simple to understand. I have better things to do. Edit: Read up on what a mental illness is. I think that's mostly your problem here.

Well. . . it's dumb. You can't just explain away ideologies you don't like with mental illness. Richard Dawkins did that and he was mocked for it at least by sensible people who don't think religion comes from mental illness.

Never claimed he's a high-quality source. He also unironically thinks the majority of nazis (and certain kinds of hippies) are mentally ill. And generally speaking, anyone who doesn't even know Spiral Dynamics is a thing doesn't understand 99% of human behavior. He's still entertaining as hell sometimes, though. I don't watch almost every one of his videos unlike someone like David Pakman. Though admittedly, Pakman's uploads are very short.

This is all just speculation. Not even particularly substantiated speculation.

Vaush is a game streamer too actually. But he tends not to do political commentary and gaming at the same time unlike Destiny. I also think Vaush tends to be more interested in self-education and research.

He used the N-word one time to try to shock an obnoxious Nazi who kept literally saying "N-word" during a stream. The Nazi was clearly just taunting so Vaush said the actual word himself to throw him off.

@Max_V I rarely watch any of Destiny's content and even when I do, it's only a small portion of it. I think he doesn't have the vision to create fresh and innovative content topics on YouTube, at least not anymore unlike Vaush. The problem with Destiny is that he tends to focus too much on debating bad political opinions and takes and almost never spends any time talking about how we can improve the systems we live with. Vaush is more of a hybrid of that. @Leo Gura Funnily enough, Destiny did have a pretty revealing conversation with David Pakman where even Pakman was just shocked by how antagonistic Destiny has become. He openly admits to wanting to talk more about Trump, Neo-Nazism, etc. than anything else.

@Leo Gura You seem to be talking about populism a lot lately. Since this is mainly a personal development forum, I'm curious to know what you think are the direct negative effects that having a toxic populist ideology has to one's personal life, if any, as opposed to just talking about the large-scale systemic effects of populism.

Vaush's response to their response to critics: