Joshe

And the right bitches about a degenerate society while clapping and cheering it on. Nothing amps them up quite like swear words and insults. Someone should put together a montage of Trump's crowd going wild at all his swear words and insults. It should include that time Roseanne Barr fucked up. It'd be a brutal ad.

Of course the left will try to capitalize on this and the right will dismiss it. What's interesting are the people who don't see how such rhetoric coming from the team of the nation's likely president is worthy of rebuke. Do you think this rhetoric that is now common at Trump rallies is worthy of rebuke? Or is it only the left's overreaction to it that you're interested in? Do you believe this rhetoric is healthy or of little consequence? What impact do you think it might have on the citizenry? Do you think the people on the right will be more emboldened to engage in the "othering" you always talk about? Do you think it will make them more or less racists, more or less hostile? Or do you just say "It was a comedian, he always talks like that"? When Trump tell's a rally-goer to elbow a bitch in the face and he'll pay his way out of jail and when the left reacts to that, are they reacting over nothing and just trying to win political points, or is there a legitimate reason for rebuke? The issue is not some "you shouldn't treat people like that... how dare you!". The issue is that when leaders of nations are like this, it toxifies the entire nation. It has nothing to do with some people got their feelings hurt, unless you're blinded by hatred of the left.

My understanding is that we are at a very specific point on an evolutionary timeline. Consciousness is evolving but higher conscious variants are not yet the norm because those variants simply have not proliferated. Something like that. We were born 10,000 years too early.

whah, whah, whah. Society doesn't acknowledge us enough. All the gays get all the attention. This shit is fucked up! Everybody hates whitey. We want to be represented in hollywood too goddamnit! M&M cartoons should not wear boots that make my dick hard. whah, whah, whah. You guys are ignorant AF. Before Trump, his 80+ million were largely apolitical and didn't have many problems with the government. I know a ton of Trump supporters. Before Trump, they were just watching sports and hunting and fishing and coaching little league or getting drunk and doing drugs. They didn't give a damn about any government policy. Sure, they never liked the fact that other cultures started appearing in their nightly TV session, but they were not over here acting like society left them behind. This is just sad, delusional cope. What's worse is the same group fancies themselves tough but they cry like little bitches when they see other people getting attention. And if you want to talk about a degenerate society, this is not to be blamed on Democrats. You can blame it on human nature. Back when western TV shows first started coming on, they found out the shows were more successful the more attractive the characters. Fast forward to today, TV serves you pussy poppin' because that's what gets your animal ass to click. It's largely a function of capitalism and the evolution of a free society. And that picture of the guy on the leash, that's in Key West during Fantasy Fest, which is a week long parade where everyone dresses up like that. They've been doing it for a long time. I was leaving my job on Duval street going home once during the parade and a random guy asked if I wanted to fuck his wife while he watched. Fun times! All of this perceived debauchery is a form of human expression that you don't like. To assign it to the Democrats just shows you got propaganda brain rot.

Jesus Christ bro, the projection is next level. It's interesting that you keep such close tabs on strangers on internet forums. You know my actualized.org timeline... that's a little strange. I'm starting to think you actually might be unwell and I should disengage before you freak out and shoot up some shit or something. I'll back off. Take care bro.

I don't care what the others say, you're a valuable member of this community.

Nice share! Sorry certain realities are hard for you to stomach. Next time, I'll be sure to include a chapter on empathy and how they're human beings too. Maybe that'll help you not get lost in your own psychic distortions. Something like this: For all their faults, they are people just like me. I am no better than them. I even care about them and love them. I do not think they are inferior to me. However, it is a fact that their willful ignorance to accept what is true and to deny reality has manifested a highly volatile scenario where the fate of the world is on the line. No matter how unsettling, this is true, but we should remember they are people as well. That's the best I can do for you. I know it's not perfectly tailored to your liking but I couldn't omit that one truth I know you don't like.

Good idea. It's important that we maintain a good image so others can think highly of us. Now, be a predictable boy and get the last word in. Make it count!

Aww, you're special. The question was to you sweetheart, not other members. A simple "yes, I ignorantly assumed what you have and have not considered and based my entire argument on that" would have sufficed, but I understand the need for social validation. It's nothing to be ashamed of. We all do it from time to time.

Even your adhoms are fallacious. Your entire post relies on false assumptions and your understanding of the topic is lacking. Why do you assume my position dismisses their grievances? Why do you assume I haven't examined the disconnect you're referring to? Why do you assume I simply chalk up the 80+ million people to simply being low-conscious? Why do you assume I view those 80 million as the scum of the earth? Do you like these assumptions because they help you dismiss the truth? The people in my life who I love most are Trumpists. I'm not very political. But you and your "type" ignorantly label anyone who has my position as being left or progressive, because you use your assumptions as if they're fact. That's how the truth works. It's perfect and it can't be tore down, no matter how hard you try. It's coherent and logical. You can criticize my interpretation of the truth and maybe say I focus too much on one aspect of it, but no one cares what you say if you dismiss the truth outright. And please, spare us your Tucker Carlson talking points. Lastly, why do you feel the need to wrap the word Trumpism in quotes? Is it because you reject the term? I don't need an answer. I already know that's the case. Good day to you sir.

It'll be interesting how the 'wisdom of the crowds' evolves.

The whole "chaos agent" cohort no longer has a leg to stand on. They did in 2016, but after Trump tried to overthrow the democratic will of the people to seize power for himself, it became obvious the chosen chaos agent is too chaotic to fuck around with. Just as good sense-making isn't in everyone's wheelhouse, neither is tact. That said, I would employ much more tact face to face than what I do on a forum discussing Trumpism. You left out the largest factor. Can you figure out where the majority of the negative emotions actually stem from? If you understood this point, you yourself would likely speak against Trumpism rather than attempt to make room for it. If you care about the world and care about people, you experience pain from Trumpism. People with a small circle of concern, or dare I say, lacking moral development, can only view it intellectually and that's why centrists can't wrap their heads around what they like to call TDS. This critique seems black and white and reductionist. You're projecting black and white thinking onto others. For example, why would you assume others would call Bernie supporters high consciousness just because they voted for Bernie? Anyone using a single data point like "voted for Bernie" as marker of high consciousness would be a great example of bad thinking.

Unless you're willing to go all out in spirituality, it doesn't make sense to bother yourself too much with understanding the why of reality. If it is no longer interesting or causing you distress, just put it on the back burner and come back to it when you feel like it. In the meantime, occupy yourself with things you enjoy. You don't have to know right now and if you insist that you do, that should be let go of. It sounds like a form of OCD; uselessly and neurotically fixating on something, telling yourself that you must, but in reality, you just need to learn to shift your focus and accept that sometimes things must be let go.

That's the the answer in a nutshell, but that's a very unsatisfying high-level explanation. It's hard to understand because there are so many complex psychological and social structures involved. You have to flesh out multiple psychological profiles and even after you understand them all, you will still be bewildered. There is no satisfactory answer for why willful ignorance persists or why they call good bad and truth false. They're fools who know not what they do. They've been suckling at America's teet for so long that they take it for granted, totally ignorant of what America even is. They have little to live for and they don't care about much outside themselves and their families. Many of them think it's funny. low consciousness poor sensemaking entitled and spoiled no good life purpose small circle of concern selfish And there are more if them than there are of you!

Don't forget to factor in Putin's bots.

😂😂😂

No. I'm saying if it were to happen, you can thank Trump, Trumpism, and all the people who've been running apologetics for Trump, who were too ignorant to see reality for what it clearly was. See, when fucked up shit happens, I go to the root. I like to prevent problems from happening, which means straightening out bad sensemaking and removing falsehoods. Now, if I had a magic red button I could press that would make the Dems seize power in the event of a Trump victory, would I press it? I would consider it. See, the word "consider" means something. If you have a ball sack and know how to think clearly, you can consider things and make decisions based on the considerations without concern for what others might think about the decision. The way the consideration would work is like this: First, is there a good way to do it without it being overt. If not, probably can't do it. Next, look at the likely negative impacts of both options. Next, game those out to fullest and see which is worse. So, yeah, I would consider it and I'm not ashamed to say it. If action Y is near fatal and action X is just toxic, I have the balls to choose option X, regardless of what anyone thinks about it. If democracy has to suffer a bad blow to prevent a fatal blow, which would you prefer? Would you even choose? And it's not just democracy at stake here. We're talking a huge list of toxicities and potentially malignant, unrecoverable. World wars, health crisis, etc.

Do you know why this speculation even exists in your mind right now? I know why. It's because the cancer that is Trump set the precedent for it. No way around this. The guy and movement you run apologetics for is responsible. People warned about this sort of thing and centrist apologists refused to see. Part of me hopes they get a Trump win.

Trumpist like derogatory language, so here ya go: Anyone weighing whether to vote Kamala or Trump is a straight fucking idiot. It's really simple. You look at January 6 through your eye holes and let that information fall into your brain bucket. Then, if you're not a full on retard, you will say "Oh, shit, Trump is a serious threat to democracy and I should probably do all I can to prevent him from fucking that up, because...you know... that's like some serious shit". That's it! End of sensemaking. Jesus fucking Christ the amount of idiocy on this forum is embarrassing. And you fancy yourselves high-conscious people? If you find yourself shirking your responsibility to vote against Trump, your sensemaking apparatus is in dire need of fixing.

I noticed that when I'm dealing with existential stuff or when I'm super fixated on perfecting everything, that's when I start waking up in the middle of the night. The problem seems to get worse the more cerebral I've been and the more intent I am on controlling myself. For example, if I were focused on perfecting my sleep, that alone would fuck my sleep up. Lol. I went years waking up in the middle of the night but since I gave up on self-dev, I sleep all night, no problem. I think A-type personalities engage in stressful shit without recognizing it as stress, and that stress fucks with sleep.

@Fearey haha, that's hilarious.

Close.. I'd put it at ~95% just to be cautious. 😂

There is no flaw. I did not say everyone who is anti-abortion is a non-thinking sheep. I said, "generally speaking". You keep dancing around the point. What do you make of the fact that before political strategists manipulated the Christians into caring about abortion, evangelical Christians were not concerned with it? This is a clear example of the unconscious behavior that I'm talking about. And here's the thing... within a large group of Christians, some of them are thinkers. The thinking types care more about logical consistency for their positions than the non-thinking types, so there will obviously be attempts to use reason to justify their inherited positions. This is basic psychology. People get indoctrinated with ideas and beliefs and then they seek good reason for them. You can almost always trace back their positions to having no solid ground in reality. If you ask them why they care about the 2nd amendment, their answer will be the best answer they have been provided with. If such nonsense was never propagandized and used for political strategy, they wouldn't care two shits about the 2nd amendment. Some would, but the vast majority would not. Same with immigration. The vast majority who care about immigration are just dumb racists who use the best talking points available to justify their crusade. I'm not saying there are no good arguments for these positions. I'm saying that the majority who support them are doing so out of unconscious mimetic behavior, propaganda, and things like this. This is clearly the truth and it's so obvious. And of course, the left does this too, but at least you can usually trace their positions back to solid ground. A climate activist might be propagandized but they at least can usually articulate good reason for their activism. Do you personally know any right wingers? If you do, this should all be obvious.

I appreciate you explaining your perspective and I understand your viewpoints and you do point out legitimate issues, but it seems as if you're either avoiding or lacking some psychological and historical understanding because my statement is not a matter of opinion. Since you don't seem to know it's a fact that most Trump supporters have their positions because they were given to them via propaganda and mimetic behavior, let me illustrate how the Christian-right's #1 policy concern was never a concern until political strategists drilled it into them. Did you know the Bible doesn't take a stance on abortion? So why is the Christian-right so up in arms about it? Did they intelligently arrive at their position? We don't have to be charitable here if we know the answer to the question: Why is abortion #1 on the list of their political concerns? The answer is they were strategically manipulated. The manipulation was mostly implemented by Paul Weyrich. The purpose was to motivate one of the largest demographics in America to get out and vote for the republican candidate, who was being lobbied by Big Christian elites. This is a fact which you can verify yourself. Here's a docu that explains more: https://tubitv.com/movies/100020971/bad-faith. If you don't want to watch it, just look up Paul Weyrich. So when I see a Trump supporter crusading for anti-abortion policy, generally speaking, I know the truth of how they arrived at that position. I'm not in doubt so why would I be charitable to anything other than the truth? It's not mere speculation from a lazy mind seeking to demonize. It's acceptance of a truth that was derived from years of deep insights into human psychology and a little bit of historical knowledge. You can say this truth can be toxic and hard to integrate healthfully, and I would agree. Maybe this truth is unsettling to you because you don't know how to be in harmony with your fellows if they are this low-conscious, which is a real problem and not an easy one to solve, as OP and myself acknowledge. Like OP, I do experience resentment and agitation and sometimes even anger and hate of the willful ignorance that paves the way for toxicity, and I've not yet chosen to be above it and lovingly accept it as opposed to critically condemn it, but of course, you're right that it would be wise to do so.

Do you think if someone understands Trumpism from stage yellow or higher that they're automatically not energetically moved when the phenomenon comes into perception? If someone is engaged in a conversation about Trumpism, they might seem more intense if there was just a stream of appaling developments whereas in another conversation a week later, they might say, "yeah, Trumpism is just a fact of reality.", because their focus might be elsewhere. Many things can modulate the degree to which someone crusades for their values or condemns that which trample upon them. SD is too high-level to apply to individual psychology. Did you read the list? lol. Trump is going to make people respect the police? Trump is going to protect the constitution? A vote for Trump is a vote for law and order? The one thing Trump could maybe deliver is to keep the 10 or so trans men out of women's sports. You know that the vast majority of Trump supporters are not his supporters because of how he governs, right? They are his supporters largely due to monkey-see monkey-do mimetics. For example, I have a cousin who was wearing a "Let's go Brandon" bracelet. He was never political at all so I asked him why he had it and he responded with a laugh and an "I don't know". Well guess what... I do know. He likes to identify with being a tough guy. The candidate that says "fuck you" is his favorite, as long as others like him too. He saw others on the bandwagon and thought it was cool, so he hopped on. Obviously, the answer to your question is yes, they may achieve some semblance of what they think they want, but that's primarily the elimination of fabricated fears they've been propagandized with. The issue here though is this "reasoning" is a facade to give the appearance of being rational, but in reality it's formed to disguise the actual drivers, which is usually a deep-seated need for belonging and identity within a tribe that validates them, but it depends on which cohort you're talking about. Many of the ultra-rich aren’t fooled; they support him simply for the tax cuts, so yes, it’s possible. And I believe many of his supporters weren’t deceived at first; they were drawn to the Trump camp through mimetic behavior. Once there, they felt compelled to uphold a consistent identity and worldview, which led them to overlook the falsehoods while gradually embracing more tribal rhetoric. This, in turn, forces them to accept Trump’s lies as truths. Basically, there is no good rationale for supporting Trump as president of the U.S and anyone who does is a fool. This is a fact, no matter how much you dislike it.