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I’m glad we had this exchange. Part of me is happy not everyone will join me in this hell. Lol. Thanks for the chat bro.

Sorry, I don’t see any contradiction. On one hand, from a higher perspective, we can’t really blame Kirk for his evil, because “forgive them father, for they know not what they do”. In this sense, Kirk is like an unconscious child who was totally blind to what he was doing, so therefore, we can grant him forgiveness of any wrongdoing, just like we would a child. But from another valid perspective, his deeds have massive negative impact on humanity and we can acknowledge those. It’s obviously this perspective from which I’m speaking.

Thanks man! If what I’ve said about him is true, would it fit under your definition of “demon”? If I elucidate the ways of a demon, is it correct to call that “demonizing”? Or am I just stating what is true about the demon? It seems to come down to what is actually true about Kirk. In your view, you think he’s some well-meaning guy who really wasn’t harmful or toxic at all. In my view, that’s utter horseshit. Like most other perpetrators of evil, Kirk was deeply unconscious of his, and he thought he was doing the work of righteousness. I don’t care how deeply deluded he was on this - it will not make me erase the truth of his actual toxicity and harm. And I know he was fine with erasing people from existence who refused to abide by the laws he found in his religion. This is a fact, even though I cannot prove it to you. If Kirk was just some random Christian extremist with no influence, he wouldn’t be special, as there are many like him. What makes him special is his reach and influence on millions of others. If one demon has 10 people he’s working on radicalizing, oh well. But if he has millions, you can see the problem, right?

Yes, you can find that, but it's not even close to comparable to Kirk. Kirk actually wanted entire demographics to either convert to his way or be removed from existence. But I'm not going to change your mind about who this guy was, the same as people can't make you see what Trump really is.

Of course he had justification for wanting Biden executed. That's how evil works. Did you think he'd say that without some justification? If we go by your logic we can whitewash anything. I already know what's going on, but feel free to explore the sick and twisted reasoning that Biden should be executed.

It's easy to find. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/fact-check-charlie-kirk-actually-232000071.html "I know what you're thinking, we've got to get Joe Biden out of the way so we can run up against Kammy. Oh my goodness, is she beatable. It's like Black Hillary on steroids. Is she Black? I guess she says she's Caribbean or whatever. Doesn't matter. She gives these speeches, and it just has this aura of totalitarianism. My team says she is Indian and Caribbean. I'll tell you what, she would be a lot easier to beat than Joe Biden. Joe Biden is a bumbling, dementia-filled Alzheimer's, corrupt, tyrant who should honestly be put in prison and/or given the death penalty for his crimes against America." If you'll execute someone for vague "crimes against America," then what happens to people you've already declared "abominations"? If being a political opponent warrants death, what about those who commit what he sees as biblical capital offenses? But we don't even need logic to discern this. All we need is experience with conservatives of the same ilk and for Charlie to prove he's of that ilk, which he has. Either disavow and convert to his Christian law or get removed, one way or another. This is a very common position amongst conservatives, including Charlie.

Kirk preached abomination and normalized the noose. Why are we looking for his good traits? You could literally find something good in everyone. Never really understood this behavior of trying hard to see the good in that which mostly isn't. The progression Kirk championed: Label them abominations Declare their existence a crime against America/God Make their execution public entertainment Have children watch to learn the lesson Create a generation that sees this as justice This is part of who Kirk was and it should be included in your overall view of him.

The dude called for Biden's execution simply because he was his political opponent, but yeah, take the image that he was a saint, which is an image he intentionally crafted for obvious reasons, and let that be your view of him. That doesn't make you gullible as hell at all. "Joe Biden is a bumbling dementia filled Alzheimer's corrupt tyrant who should honestly be put in prison and/or given the death penalty for his crimes against America." - Kirk Kirk literally called for public executions that 12-year-olds could watch. And if it were up to him, gays, trans, and leftist would be forced to either reject their ways or be publicly executed for kids to watch, so they never got the idea that those things were acceptable. This is the man you're honoring. It's pathetic. We shouldn't pretend Kirk was anything other than someone advocating for theocratic mass murder. He just wrapped it all in enough layers of "just asking questions" and "biblical values" to maintain plausible deniability, which was clearly effective.

"The distinction is ideological political violence vs. reactive political violence. Robinson's appears to be the latter - still political in nature, just not aimed at advancing a cause." This is the best we can conclude from the existing evidence, which looks most likely at this point. And of course if this is true, it will be rejected by the right, as it's detrimental to their enormous opportunity to sow maximum division and advance their movement. Sorry @carterfelder But "Radical trans activist executes conservative speaker as part of broader leftist violence." doesn't appear to be true up to this point.

@carterfelder For now, here's what I think the actual situation is:

They'd be taking too big of a risk to fabricate the texts. The roommate could easily squeal. Also, those texts are actually detrimental to the whole "far left trans-rotting brain disease caused this" narrative.

It doesn't seem like the bullet etchings were ideological. The bullet etching reveals a complex ISTP psychological pattern: Craftsmanship as self-soothing (Ti-Se loop): ISTPs often do detailed handwork when stressed - it's meditative for them The physical act of engraving gives Ti something precise to analyze while Se manipulates tools He's literally working through his decision to kill by working on the bullets Leaving a "maker's mark": ISTPs take pride in their work, even when dark Like a craftsman signing his piece, but perverted into violence The week of planning likely included hours of careful engraving - this wasn't impulsive Control through absurdity: By making it partly a joke, he maintains Ti detachment from the enormity of what he's doing It's a way to feel in control - "I'm not emotional about this, it's partially funny" Classic ISTP defense mechanism: when overwhelmed, retreat into technical work and dark humor The ultimate "inside joke": Only he knew what was on those bullets during the shooting If found, investigators would be baffled by "uwu" on attempted assassination evidence It's trolling that requires physical skill to execute - not just typing online Mechanizing death: By focusing on engraving technique, bullet grain, rifle precision, he turns murder into a technical project The etching time was probably when he was actually deciding to go through with it Each stroke of the engraving tool was him committing deeper to the act

It's hard not to have empathy for him after analyzing the texts. I feel sorry for the kid.

Building the ISTP case: Classic ISTP "action over words" pattern: Minimal explanation for massive act Left note, committed act, dealt with consequences - no manifestos or speeches Treats assassination like fixing a broken machine - identify problem, apply solution, handle logistics The entire sequence reads like Ti-Se in pure form: logical decision-making paired with tactical physical competence, with emotions only emerging for one specific person. Ti-dominant (Introverted Thinking) evidence: Every message is about solving logical problems: evidence trails, retrieval logistics, forensic concerns "If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence" - pure if/then logical analysis Emotionally massive event reduced to technical problem-solving The decision to kill appears to have been made through internal logic ("Some hate can't be negotiated out") then simply executed Se-auxiliary (Extraverted Sensing) evidence: Hyperaware of immediate physical environment: "there's one vehicle lingering," "squad car parked right by it" Focused on concrete objects: rifle, scope ($2k value noted), towel, keyboard Real-time tactical adaptation: changed outfits, monitoring police movements, assessing escape windows Comfort with physical action and weapons ("grandpa's rifle") Ni-tertiary (Introverted Intuition) evidence: Week of planning shows some future projection ability Single-minded focus once decision was made The "notices bulge uwu" bullet engravings suggest dark symbolic thinking Fe-inferior (Extraverted Feeling) evidence: Only emotional expression is toward one person (the lover) - "you are all I worry about love" No broader social/emotional consideration for victims, community impact, etc. Struggles to manage father's emotional expectations (avoiding dad's calls) Final surrender shows inferior Fe breaking through - concern for lover's wellbeing overrides Ti logic Line-by-line breakdown: “drop what you are doing, look under my keyboard.” — Terse, procedural command; pre-stashed item → direct, tactical ISTP (Ti–Se). Note under keyboard (“…take out Charlie Kirk…”) — Opportunistic, decisive action framed bluntly → Se action + Ti brevity. “I am still ok… stuck in Orem… gotta grab my rifle…” — Status + logistics, not feelings → detached problem-solving (Ti), concrete details (Se). “hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age.” — Lone-wolf secrecy → Introversion (I). “I am, I’m sorry.” — Minimal emotion; just the fact, then a brief apology → low-Fe, Ti-first. “they grabbed some crazy old dude… drop point… lockdown… one vehicle lingering.” — Live situational scanning, police patterns → Se tactical awareness. “I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can’t be negotiated out.” — One-line moral rationale, then back to ops → Ti over Fe; emotion kept brief. “If I can grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence… going to attempt to retrieve it again.” — Forensics, opsec, next-step calculus → Ti troubleshooting. “a bit over a week.” — Short planning horizon → Perceiving (P) over Judging. “squad car parked right by it… they already swept that spot… don’t wanna chance it.” — Risk assessment from concrete cues → Se + Ti. “wishing I had circled back…” — After-action self-critique and adaptive thinking → Ti iterative optimizer. “grandpa’s rifle… serial number… prints… left in a bush… towel.” — Gear + evidence minutiae → Se mechanics + Ti forensics. “engraving bullets… messages mostly a big meme… ‘notices bulge uwu’.” — Tinkering + dark, distancing humor → Ti–Se tinkerer, affect kept cool. “delete this exchange.” — Crisp opsec directive → decisive Ti. “dad wants photos… rifle is very unique… not answering.” — Information control over emotion → Ti control, low Fe. “since Trump got into office my dad… diehard maga.” — Flat, factual context (no rumination) → Ti reporting, not Fe venting. “I’m gonna turn myself in… neighbor is a deputy.” — Pragmatic cost–benefit pivot → Ti realism under pressure. “you are all I worry about love.” — Narrow, selective warmth → inferior Fe pattern. “don’t talk to media… ask for a lawyer… stay silent.” — Procedural/legal protocol, crisis composure → Ti plan + Se steadiness.

Is it possible for a dick to tingle at the sight of a trans without having any beliefs about transgenderism? Of course it is. Therefore, it's possible that Robinson wasn't steeped in any belief system. You're conveniently making leaps to a conclusion you want to be the case, but you can't know yet. This doesn't address or refute my point about murder at all. From the little info we have, this dude appears to be low in neuroticism. He's possibly an ISTP. These people are often highly physically competent, stoic, and lone-wolf types. I know a couple of these types. They could murk your ass and easily suppress it and not make a big deal about it. They're more stable than I am. lol. I think you're doing a lot of projecting, because we don't have enough info about his ways of the thinking yet. You may turn out to be right, but it's too early to tell.

What do you mean by "believe in transgenderism"? If someone is gay, they don't have to "believe in being gay". This isn't computing for me. It's not common, but It's possible to be a relatively stable murderer. The human psyche is very dynamic. I explained why we simply can't know most of what you're claiming and you're not refuting anything I said, so I feel like you didn't process or address any of my points.

That position is completely understandable and nothing to necessarily denigrate. But there are other ways to solve these issues than allowing billionaires to bullhorn extremely divisive and violence-inciting rhetoric. The people are being used as pawns by powerful billionaires seeking power and influence. That is the issue here, and it should be clear it's a much more pressing issue than immigration. Humanity is being split like never before. This is much more dangerous than any immigration issues.

Based on the current reporting, it appears that Robinson felt attacked by Charlie. Robinson appears to have been in a relationship with a trans person and he didn't like Charlie going around making people hate the thing that he adored. This isn't necessarily politically motivated. Robinson may not have cared that Kirk was successfully spreading anti-trans sentiment. It might just be that he found Kirk so repulsive that he wanted to end him. It's possible it's more that than the prevention of the spread, but it's probably a mix. We don't yet know the primary driver of his actions, and we don't yet know he was influenced by the "radical trans movement", as he might have just naturally been into trans people without being swept up in any movement. If you read his text, he sounds very much stable and there's no tell of ideology that I saw.

Did it ever occur to you that you lost the second dates because you weirdly start discussing your political grievances on the first date? Most women aren’t interested in a man who, the majority of the time chooses to focus on grievance. If you can’t even contain it for a few hours when meeting a stranger, that’s probably a turnoff.

Calling the arsonist secondary because there was a drought is backwards. The arsonist is the primary cause of the fire we actually got. "Well, look at all this dry brush bro!" This isn't how we do causal analysis. The drought didn't make the fire inevitable, the arsonist did. To focus exclusively on the conditions and to ignore the primary causal factors is part of the interesting phenomenon I was talking about. It comes across like a right-leaning centrist cope. I’ve been very close with conservatives my entire life. They were always the same. They never cared much about politics until Trump started entertaining and polarizing them in 2016. A very bad influence took up the position of most powerful man on the planet and stirred shit up, polarized people and hardened tribes, and showed other leaders how to sow division for their own personal gain. Without acceptance and embrace of this degenerate as the leader of the free world, reality would be fucking night and day different. Consider you have a brother who is a decent guy and one day he befriends a known criminal and conman with a very despicable character and they become best friends for 10 years. They hang out several times per week. What is the likelihood that your brother’s life would descend into chaos and be unrecognizable after those 10 years? You see, if you do the above thought experiment in earnest, you should then be able to accept the reality. At the very least, shift the majority of the causal weight to Trump, because that’s accurate. AI analysis:

Right, which is why I said what you omitted from my quote.

This seems to confirm that he was dating the trans he was living with. So this will go down as radical left attack. He doesn't sound batshit or anything in the texts:

This shit is cringe as hell Notice the full population of heaven in the background. Everyone just stands around all day in front of a stage adoring Jesus. In this instance, the whole of heaven is watching Kirk and Jesus have a talk up on stage. Since there's tens of millions in heaven, there's no telling where Billy Graham was. I'm guessing front row.

Lol, wtf is wrong with this guy?

There are some things that don't seem to make sense, specifically with the gun, but we shouldn't buy into anything yet.