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It seems to make sense. I've speculated this since the beginning.

What would Jesus do?

Right. It just seems like the healthy thing to do.

Why would they change their perspective to yours? There are different ways to achieve the same thing. If you want a sense of justice, there are usually better ways of getting it IMO. Although, I don't think I would abolish the death penalty altogether. Look at the pros and cons: Maybe the "leftists" have weighed the pros and cons and just logically concluded it doesn't make sense. You can arrive at that position without being a leftist. What's insane is they still have firing squads. There's a guy who just chose to be executed by a firing squad. I mean, wtf? The fact that the state would accommodate that is insane. Many people probably wish it was televised for entertainment. Like in the old days when people would cheer at hangings.

Yeah, maybe. I need to learn more about politics. I just always assume Trump doesn't give a fuck about Republican's agenda but I suppose he has to give in order to get... so that makes sense.

I was wondering why the USPS was so important to Trump. Why would Trump want full control over the USPS? Originally I just figured he might have made a deal with shipping company elites and wants to axe it for them but now I'm wondering if the point is to suppress mail-in votes in 2028.

No, I was once considering it though and did some research. I’ve talked to someone who has done it and there are many vloggers on YouTube showing the a day in the life or a month in the life of this lifestyle. I picked the idea up from an obscure podcast about a decade ago. They were talking about selling their car and using the money to support them in Southeast Asia while they went full-throttle on their business.

If you have a remote job or 10k, you could survive dirt cheap in Bali indonesia. You could get by on $600/mo if you had to. A 2k/mo budget would be luxurious. You can stay in Bali for 6 months before you have to leave but then you can just hop to another island for a month and go back again when your visa renews. If you were frugal, 10-15k could probably keep you up for 2 years in Bali. I think It's actually a good idea for anyone who wants to drop everything and just work on growing their business full-time for a couple of years. Probably not for everyone though. You'd be roughing it relative to U.S standards. --- I wouldn't leave the US just yet if all you're worried about is Trump. At least not at this point.

Not a leftist. You're the first person ever to think I have a weak mindset. You're the first person ever to think I'm a beta male. But you are not the first person to think super chaos agents in a democracy are a good thing. This whole "chaos agent" perspective is a backwards rationalization for Trump support that has morphed into delusional fantasies of reaching the golden city on the hill. The thing is bro, you have to operate within the boundaries of reality. Acknowledging those boundaries is not victimhood... it's wise.

This "chaos agent" logic is absurd. It entails a naive assumption that the wrecking ball won't lead to irreversible destruction. It's too great a risk. The ones with power would benefit the most from the chaos, not you. This ignorance could usher in a century-long long dictatorship but you're too excited about change to care about that. Your chaos could come with nuclear war, but you either don't mind the risk or naively assume it can't happen. You casually and gleefully embrace chaos assuming it will lead to your perfect vision for humanity, while ignoring potentially catastrophic real-world consequences and immeasurable human suffering and even total, irreversible destruction. It's just naive.

See, this is what I was hinting at. Trump's rhetoric about many things is getting massive backlash from those who are usually sympathetic to him. He keeps doing this, causing more and more of his sympathizers to be like "WTF?". Those sympathizers are starting to see how deceptive and vile he is. Well-respected and influential people who are friendly to the right are speaking out. Bill Burr went on a rant attacking Elon Musk and now Fox News is running attacks on him, and lots on the right don't like it. If this keeps up, the cumulative effect of all this can't be good for Trump and his influencers. I feel like he's going to start bleeding support. Trump is kind of forcing influencers into a corner that could potentially hurt them. For example, they now have to give their commentary on what Trump said about Zelensky being a dictator who started the war. Influencers like Rogan and Lex will either have to double down for MAGA or break with them. Sooner or later, if this keeps up, these influencers will lose respect on a large scale and I think they'll start shitting on Trump before they let that happen. Let's hope Trump keeps this up.

This is interesting. The MeidasTouch Network's podcast has surpassed Joe Rogan's.

As turbulent as things have been so far, I don’t see how he can keep his reign if he continues at this pace. I lack political knowledge but does this pace seem sustainable? If he pisses too many people off, breaks ties with all our allies, and weakens our position too much, wouldn’t he eventually lose support? What are some potential scenarios that could ruin him? I just don’t see how he keeps it up at this pace.

This is true, but we'll be called biased for arriving at this. 😂

You could say this about anyone. I've seen this very logic used by MAGA to defend Trump. "You can't read his mind. You don't know what he's thinking". How come some people can see Trump for what he is and others can't? It comes down to your ability to assess reality accurately and impartially. We actually can know things about Elon by analyzing his history, words, actions, and psychology. Some people can see Elon for what he is, some can't. The perspective "Elon is power-hungry, self-serving, and self-deceived, yet cares about serving humanity" is flawed and largely exist because of the propaganda Elon flooded the zone with. For anyone who believes Elon cares about humanity, ask yourself: Why do I believe this? What evidence do I have? Where did those notions come from? Did they arise organically from my own observation or did I pick them up from others? Did I blindly believe him when he said he cares about humanity? Did I conclude because he bought and grew Tesla that he cares about the earth and humanity? Is all this solid evidence? Could he have been bullshitting the entire time? Look at his actions! The richest man in the world trying to dominate the entire world in non-stop pursuit of ultimate power. I'm sure he does have a notion in his head, similar to Thanos, that the world would benefit by him getting his way, but that would just be a self-deception serving the purpose of justification for what REALLY matters to him... which is his little ego winning total control. That is the overpowering driver... he is not driven by serving humanity at all, and for anyone who thinks he is, I think is either foolish or biased or both.

Good point. At this point, I think it's too charitable to even think "Doing good for the people" is even a faint idea in his head, yet everyone acts like it's one of his primary drivers because of the tens or hundreds of thousands of propaganda pieces like this:

It is fallacy to view "serving society" and "serving self" as true or false and then treating them as comparable forces. The intensity of the drivers is what's important. Claude helped me articulate this: "When one driver has the intensity of a thunderstorm and the other a whisper, weighing them equally is intellectually dishonest. The critical factor isn't their presence, but their power. The intensity of self-interest isn't just stronger – it's orders of magnitude more powerful in driving Elon" So, if this is true... and it is... then is recognizing Elon's so-called service to society really an act of balancing one's perspective or is it something else? Maybe a desire to be yellow or a fanboy bias or groupthink or...??? IDK! Could be! It's interesting why people feel compelled to "balance" their perspective by acknowledging negligible factors. From what I've gathered, it usually points to a bias. I just came here to vent that I can't even look for design inspiration on Dribbble without running into Elon's fanboys or propaganda. I'd wager money that this image exist because he paid for it to exist. Why in the fuck would this be on Dribbble? There is nothing special about this design...just words on a black background... so why does it have more likes and views than many awesome designs? Because some Chinese click farm was paid millions of dollars to flood this shit out. That's the person we're talking about here. Even intelligent people have ZERO idea of how they've been fooled. It's too conspiratorial and cynical for them to even entertain.

Until they evolve.

Maybe that's the answer. Collect the sperm and eggs of conscious humans and just grow them in a lab. Could work!

Of course there is waste and corruption, but if the devil wants to address those issues, it’s to serve himself, not others. When the most corrupt people tell you their goal is to fight corruption and eliminate waste, you’d be a fool to believe them, even if they do some good as part of their scheme to dupe the masses.

You're right that support for Trump is a solid indicator of low intelligence, and if you don't want a man of low intelligence, then you are being practical, not radical. I've parted ways with friends due to their idiocy and I felt all sorts of confusion and moral dilemmas about it, but life is too short and precious to settle for and accept that degree of foolishness in your life. I'd choose pure solitude over truth deniers, hateful, and harmful people. I guess it depends on how hard up you are for some company.

@Shodburrito we all fuck up. Only thing to do is not push it down and not make the same mistake twice. Guilt, shame, etc, is necessary to make us channel our energies into making sure we don’t fuck up twice. If I didn’t feel immense shame when I got drunk and wrecked my vehicle, I might still drink and drive. Those lower emotions serve a purpose.

Judgement: the ability to make considered decisions or come to sensible conclusions. To make a judgement, you have to activate your sense making apparatus. If you do that and conclude that Trump, Vivek, and the like are integrous and want good things for humanity instead of just trying to enrich themselves, your sense making has failed. You call this a difference of opinion but these are not matters of opinion. Everyone is fine with you saying the color purple and vanilla ice cream is the best, and they accept you for that, but when you say Trump and company excites you for the good things they will bring to humanity, it reveals deep ignorance. And when you elevated Vivek to a God, you magnified that ignorance to such cringe levels, someone wanted to not be aware of your existence. This is on you! Take some responsibility for your thinking.

The idea that Trump and crew aim to weed out corruption and excess spending deserves mocking, but I'm working on myself... so I can't do it. shit.. did I just do it. oh well... baby steps.