Joshe

@aurum True, true. Many of them are indeed religious. It would be funny if they weren't though. lol They might as well not be.

@Karmadhi Yes, it's real. The politicians don't believe it but the citizens do. lol

I don't have enough context to really comment but some of those clips in the tiktok montage were years apart. He plays with and manipulates ideas for a living. It would be messy. I'm sure he has argued in bad faith and for the sake of argumentation and not always from a moral ground but that's not enough for me to write him off. I haven't had any reads that he's at the core bad faith. I'll check out the Candace Owens thing though.

@Raze When Destiny says something like "I don't know if there's anything wrong with ethnic cleansing", and stares at the ceiling, this is a mind that is not afraid to actually question things it's never questioned. If you really want to know why ethnic cleansing is bad, you have to see for yourself and try to poke holes in things to see if they're actually bad or not, rather than just claim they are. He makes an earnest attempt to actually consider the idea. You can see it in his movement and hear in his tonality that he's engaging with the question from a place of genuine curiosity because this is how INTPs operate. They question everything. Nothing is off limits. You can probably find a clip of him saying "IDK, is pedophilia really bad. What's so bad about it"? And the conformist mind will immediately condemn him for wanting to actually identify what is wrong with it.

@Leo Gura😂100% , and his career is tied to that behavior so he's probably in it for the long haul but "makes a lot of sense at times", I don't think gives him enough credit. Think of how much light he's shined on ignorance. He's contributed greatly to the collective epistemology. He might not promote Truth of the same caliber as you but he does promote it, at least an aspect of it, and he's highly effective.

@Danioover9000 Let's let this be the last we engage each other. I prefer more open-minded, good faith engagement. I actually am all for the original high teachings of Christ and all the major religions but you incorrectly assumed I was oblivious to those things and decided to be condescending to me and then others. You've done this at least 3 times today on this thread. Maybe take a break from the body language practice and look into power dynamics. It seems you like to scold others. I'll just go be salty and let you take the W. Let's end it now. No more juvenile argumentation. I won't respond. You got the W.

@gambler I don't doubt Destiny has issues. But I can read people pretty well. Destiny is an INTP, like Leo. He has a high IQ. He's an A-type personality. He's definitely got some trauma and suppresses a lot. He fell into streaming and got lucky. His high IQ combined with his A-type personality and thirst for knowledge makes him a good candidate for debate and he discovered that. Thing about INTPs... they are socially awkward. Every single one of them. So when you say to me that a misunderstood INTP is "not normal in the head", it sounds EXACTLY like something my conformist sister would say... no offense. It could be that case that he uses laughter as a defense mechanism to protect himself from pain. Do you really know? I don't get the sense that Destiny is a bad character. Of course he chases attention and tries to be edgy. Mix that with social awkwardness and i think it's easy to get the wrong read, especially when he is being arrogant. It just rubs most people the wrong way but it's an emotional bias against him, not logical. From my view, he's got integrity because people without it don't do some of the things he does. I don't judge him for being fucked up by society. I think his intentions are good. That said, I don't know everything about him but I've watched his content for the past couple of years on YT.

@Danioover9000 I actually don't have notifications on and am glad Yimpa shared the link, but thanks for the useless negativity. I'll consider your points on my bigotry and Christian phobias, if that's what they are. Obviously, I am bothered by current affairs but not sure you're assumptions are accurate. I'm in the the deep south where the Trump flags fly and the Christians hate you if you aren't one of them. Now that I think of it, I'm not intolerant of Christians. I'm intolerant of their evil. Forgive me for not having my shit together to the point where I can just be all cool like you.

Thanks @Yimpa! @Danioover9000 - You sound like an absolute grouch. You're bothered that Yimpa shared a link and that I posted things I find striking? Maybe take a break or a nap or pray or whatever it is that you do to calm yourself. Or are you always like this?

This is how southern evangelicals feel about it:

@mrPixel I'm actually glad Destiny is putting these thoughts out there. Everyone wants to act like "he's such a bad person", but what it is, is those people don't appreciate the gravity of the situation. Destiny does. Maybe he could temper his frustration but he's lashing out against evil, which I myself am not above. His courage is actually admirable IMO.

@Gennadiy1981 Can't speak to the accuracy of the testimony but it's legit in that he was actually there and was interviewed as an eye-witness.

In Christian news:

@Something Funny I think a lot of people were undecided and I would guess that if someone were weighing Biden vs Trump, the scales have tipped towards Trump. Something about human psychology wanting to root for the "underdog". Also, a lot of Trump supporters were not even going to go out and vote this time around but now they're energized and will be coming to his defense, which means they will be doubling down on him again, thus making it more likely they will show up to vote. Just my 2 cents.

I would add that Musk isn't that intelligent. He's above-average capable of manipulating abstractions but there's nothing of note or special about his cognitive abilities. He actually runs propaganda campaigns and floods the zone with stories and headlines that he is super intelligent. He pays a lot of money to spread the perception that he's super-intelligent but he's really not. He strung Paypal together with spaghetti code and got lucky with it. That was his jump-off point. From there, he used that money to buy Tesla and SpaceX and others and then made everyone think he was the one designing the satellites and rockets. He's good at business and marketing, but like Leo said, advances there have more to do with devilry than a profound intelligence. He's actually a dumbass who changed the price of a Tesla to 69,420, because he thinks 69 and 420 are hilarious. How intelligent could he be? 😂

This Christian nutjob, Tucker Carlson, or anyone else people are saying accurately predicted this shouldn't be given credit for anything, especially intelligence. If you could collect the millions or billions of ideas and imaginings from all Christians on the planet, one of those imaginings might manifest.

I have Christian family members who are in the thick of the right-wing movement but we don't talk about politics. I get the sense they are super-energized and since it's Sunday, they're preparing to congregate in their churches and if I had to guess, today will be the day Trump's spell will take hold of them unlike ever before. Up till now, my mom has avoided the Trump cult but today might be the day she joins. It's hard to see how we're not completely fucked here.

I wonder if Owen is just a capitalist wolf or is he really this stupid? He says something like "Trump could have went and lived out his life in leisure and peace but he'd rather fight for what he believes in". Is Owen really that blind or is he cultivating an audience? What is going on here?

He’s human, so he’s traumatized on some level, but my guess is it’s suppressed or repressed and we’ll never see it and he’ll never acknowledge it. He’s probably starting to feel invincible. He had 6 or 7 humans shield him with their own bodies and then other members of that human shield team quickly and efficiently kill his attacker. What would a malignant narcissist do with that experience? IMO, his ego will use the experience to further assert his power and justify his devilry and that’s what we’ll see rather than a broken psyche.

I agree. With the latest news I’d put it at 95%.

Sure, the reality could just be what it appears on the surface to be, which is an assassination attempt on Trump. No one would be considering conspiracies if it were the pope who got shot. This is what you get when you have a character this low at the top of the chain. Some points I consider important are: Trump and the GOP just hit the political lottery. Their base is now energized like never before. Donations will soar. A ton of those people who were on the fence are now decided. It was reported yesterday that Trump was pissed that Biden was getting all the spotlight, even though it was bad press, Trump was jealous. I could see Roger Stone and Steve Bannon gizzing their pants fantasizing over this tactic. Trump was mad he didn't have enough of the limelight. Now he has all he could ever ask for. Trump just became more famous today than he ever has been. This is the best day of his life. Biden finally started unloading on Trump and energizing his base like I've never seen in a fiery speech last night. He actually energized people for the first time. Just as effective attacks against Trump got off the ground, they've come to a halt and future attacks will be less aggressive. Potential scenarios: Legit assassination attempt from anti-Trump camp Staged by Trump and company for political gain A failed assassination from those in power A staged failed political assassination by those in power That's the extent of my speculation. I probably put it at 55% legit but it's most certainly within the realm of possibility this was staged either by Trump and company or someone who stands to benefit from it. Edit: With the latest updates, it now seems highly unlikely this was staged by the Trump camp.

@Keryo Koffa That gives me a lot to ponder. Thank you for elaborating. I know this is off topic, but if you don’t mind, maybe you could expand my understanding of what pride and shame are. What are your thoughts on this: Two people are in an intense argument and things are heated. Both people deeply want the other to see their own position is right and the other is wrong. Eventually, one person delivers a line of reason that completely nullifies the other position. In this moment of victory, pride or something arises in the victor. But is that pride-alignment or pride-shame or is it even pride at all? Excluding the very advanced, nearly everyone would experience some sort of positive emotion in that hypothetical, just from the tension being relieved, and I think that could easily be misidentified as pride when it might not be. I can even see in some situations it being closer to love than pride. For example, when a teacher who has been struggling for some time to get a student to see something finally has a breakthrough and she witnesses the moment the student realizes the teaching. There’s a positive emotion that something good has happened. If I were the teacher in this scenario, the pleasure I would feel would come from something good happening, not from the idea that I was the one who made it happen. Imagine the detriment to the person who is not experiencing pride but rather, a desire for good to prevail, but that person misidentifies that in them which is inherently good as something that is inherently bad and needs to be worked on or removed. It could be the case that it just needs reframed. Just thinking out loud. The ego is tricky so maybe all this is bs, but maybe it’s not. You said that you, even as a child, always acted on good faith and it became clear that the majority did not. This seems like a battle of good and evil and evil has the numbers. There are more of them than there are of you. This creates anger and resentment at the injustice of it all and one wants it resolved. In the resolution, one might think their negative emotion stems from something broken in them rather than a right frustration against that which tramples upon good. Again, just thinking out loud. Seems like a slippery slope but maybe there’s something there.

Thanks for sharing. It’s adds to comfort that there are others out there! I love how you articulated the situation. I deal with the same problem, but I’ve wondered, am I inherently prideful or does the pride manifest from engagement with lower energies? I ran a thought experiment and imagined a world in which everyone valued truth and were not egotists and could easily revise their perspectives as reality gave them new information and in that world, I didn’t feel antagonistic. I actually felt at peace and happy. I would love nothing more than for others to arrive at truth on their own without my involvement, so am I inherently prideful or is the pride manifesting from engagement with lower energies? IDK. It seems the pride would never come into existence in my thought experiement. Regardless if this is true, the pride is still in me and it’s my responsibility, so I’m not blaming the lower energies on why it would arise in me but rather, if this is the case, I have a choice of continuing the engagement or abandoning it. It seems that if you want to transcend the lower energies, the only way is to abandon them, which, in my case and seemingly yours, would entail surrendering all cynical thought and negative judgement towards others. This is just where I’m currently at on this same problem and I’ve yet to commit to the solution, which makes me wonder, what if I am really just prideful and don’t want to let it go. But then I remember how I am, and I know that’s not right. I think I’m just too lazy to begin reprogramming the decades worth of conditioning.

Pretty cool idea. I created a Notion Doc (work in progress) that I'll use to keep track of everything. It would also be cool to create some sort of world map with SVGs that could be colored in when you check one off the list. Feel free to duplicate the template or leave comments for improvements. https://pickled-axolotl-08e.notion.site/Leo-s-Geography-Challenge-ea37ff23b6b349c5beac9ef0277b6ae1?pvs=4 I'd like to get a "meta view" for each entry that would contain the best information for understanding without diving into the minutia. Still working on the structure but contemplating these for each entry: Size, major exports, population, prevalent lifestyles, geographical features, political system, level of corruption, general population's social development. Human Development Index (HDI): This index, developed by the United Nations, measures average achievement in key dimensions of human development. Primary languages, religion, way of life, drug use, wealth disparity, common types of housing, healthcare system, modes of transportation, cultural values, attitudes toward outsiders, access to technology, timeline of significant events. Cultural Synopsis: A brief note on key cultural elements (e.g., predominant music, art forms, traditions). Historical Snapshot: A quick overview of the country's historical background. International Alliances: Membership in major international organizations (e.g., UN, EU, NATO). Current Issues: Brief mention of any major contemporary challenges or conflicts. Spiral Dynamics Level: If applicable and information is available, indicate the predominant level of consciousness/development according to Spiral Dynamics. Unique Fact(s): One or two interesting or unique facts about the country. What are the key events in the country's history that have shaped its current identity? How does the country's geography influence its culture, economy, and politics? What are the major ethnic groups and languages, and how do they interact? What are the predominant religious beliefs, and how do they impact society? What are some of the country's most important cultural traditions and festivals? How has the country's cuisine been influenced by its history and geography? What forms of art, music, and literature are most popular or historically significant? How is the educational system structured, and what values does it emphasize? What are the country's main economic sectors, and what role do they play in the global economy? How does the country approach environmental issues and sustainability? What is the political system, and how has it evolved over time? What are the major social issues currently facing the country? How does the country view and interact with its neighbors and the international community? What are some common stereotypes about the country and its people, and how accurate are they? How do urban and rural areas differ in terms of lifestyle and opportunities? What are the country's most significant contributions to the world (in science, technology, arts, etc.)? How do national holidays and celebrations reflect the country's values and history? What are the experiences and perspectives of minority groups within the country? How has the country been portrayed in international media, and how does this compare to local perspectives? What are the hopes and challenges for the country's future as expressed by its citizens? Daily Routines: What does a typical day look like for people in urban and rural areas? Social Norms and Etiquette: What are the key social norms, manners, and etiquette practices? Family Structure and Roles: What is the typical family structure, and what roles do family members play? Community Involvement: How involved are individuals in their local communities, and in what ways? Environmental Interaction: How do people interact with and relate to their natural environment?+ Economic Activities: What are the common occupations, and how do economic activities shape daily life? Technology Usage: How is technology integrated into daily life, and what is its impact on social interactions? Might be a bit much but it's something to work with