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The online tests are often flawed, so I wouldn't rely on those. You have to learn about the functions themselves. The actual cognitive functions behind the types describe how someone prefers to process information and make decisions, which can definitely evolve, but, as far as I can tell, only long the lines they started from. The underlying predispositions don't just up and change. My cognition is wired to seek underlying structure, long-range patterns, and decisive action. I can't turn that off and I most certainly can't start enjoying open-ended brainstorming or jumping between possibilities for the sake of exploration. There's no way I'm going to start enjoying bouncing between disconnected ideas or improvising in the moment just because I’ve “grown.” Development can sharpen what I already have, but I can't really change my cognition. Also, MBTI does acknowledge development, just not comprehensively. Like, you can have a healthy or unhealthy INTP. Two people with the same type can look very different depending on how developed their functions are, how much self-awareness they have, and how balanced their stack is. The model doesn’t ignore growth, but it doesn't map it in a linear way like SD.

This is actually a common misconception about INTJs. I'm 100% INTJ and can't stand schedules or routines. I wake up at a different time every day. INTJs really crave control and autonomy, not structure. For INTJs who do appear structured, they love the control the structure provides, not the structure itself. "The INTJ who wakes at a different time each day may not be living a life devoid of order; rather, they are likely prioritizing their internal state and long-term objectives over the superficiality of a fixed daily schedule."

Yeah, there's definitely some overlap, which I was just exploring. Lots of people on the personality type database think you're INTJ, but it doesn't make sense. I was confused because your latest blog post on intuition describes Ni rather than Ne. Since Ne is your second function, that means Ni is 7th in your stack, which hardly ever gets used, although it can because we can use all the functions, but it's not likely. We usually operate on the first 3-4 functions, but mostly the first 2. In your case, that's introverted thinking using extraverted intuition as a tool to branch out. An INTJ uses introverted intuition first, then uses extraverted thinking as a tool to validate the perceptions. I think I solved my confusion with this understanding: Highly-developed intuition requires massive exposure to complexity over time. Both types (introverted and extroverted intuition), when developed, eventually produce high-speed pattern recognition, but the process for Ne is bottom up whereas Ni is top down, so essentially, they start to look a lot alike the more Ne develops.

A good visual demo of how intuition works and the differences between internal and external intuition.

So, I knew Leo was an INTP before I joined this forum. He is textbook INTP. If you understand the MBTI functions, it's clear why people like Leo, and likely Aurum, operate the way they do. Their cognitive functions propel them toward open-ended, expansive exploration, and guess what - that's a bias! When someone like an INTJ comes along and says "here's the actual dominant factor worth considering for practical purposes, so you can omit all the minute factors, the INTP says "No no no. Too shallow." 😆 Ta daaa!! What’s often interpreted as Leo being dismissive or condescending is actually a natural expression of his INTP predisposition. the INTP typically explores reality more broadly than any other type. This is just what they do. And because others don't do it, they are biased against them. TBH, I too have a bias against people who are not like me. I think we all do to some extent. The specific combinations of Jung’s eight cognitive functions offer a far more precise and explanatory framework for understanding individual psychology than something like SD. "Understanding individuals through Spiral Dynamics is like diagnosing a single tree's health by studying satellite images of the forest — insightful from afar, but too zoomed out for real precision." I don't think you could truly know yourself if you don't understand the functions that you run on. I was living with Ni as my dominant function my whole life and knew it was uncommon and strange but didn't have a clue as to why or what it was all about. Upon discovering it, I got cold chills and watery eyes at how it was explaining me to fucking T. The OCEAN model is valuable for capturing broad tendencies but it can't tell you much about how a person actually processes information, makes decisions, or spends their internal mental energy. MBTI gets much closer to the architecture of thought. Also, notice this: when an INTP discovers SD, it’s easy for them to identify with Yellow. Not because they’ve developed into it, but because it mirrors how their mind already works. SD Yellow is a natural place for them to want to fit in. It feels like home to them. Just something to keep in mind when dealing with the INTP types and their fascination with Tier 2.

sometimes I just like to hear myself type

I was just watching Dexter and "ice princess" was a big deal in one of the episodes. Syncronicities on the rise again.

@ZenSwift I used Manus AI, which is a pretty sweet, little known research AI (generous free tier), ChatGPT deep research, and Claude's new deep research that was just released. You can have Claude do research and then tell it to put the data in a chart and it'll create React components and render them right in the browser. Something about Manus AI seems really high quality but I haven't used it a ton. It's good at generating a lot of reports. Also, you can watch it while it does it's thing, which is pretty damn cool. IDK how they offer so much for free though.

I think Musk is fucked.

How the right perceived Elon's attack on Trump (according to AI deep research):

haha, Manus AI is badass for research:

I wonder how much weight Elon’s allegations will carry with the average citizen or even MAGA. I spoke to a MAGA earlier and they said it is weird how the Epstein files never came out, insinuating Musk might have a point. It’d be nice to have some good sentiment analysis on this.

There was that time he saw a little girl around age 8-10 going up an escalator and he bragged "I'm going to be dating her in 10 years". Of course it's speculation and not worth much consideration, but if I had to guess, I think it's likely he is in one way or another implicated in the whole Epstein thing. Maybe not a pedo, but something.

Steve Bannon : "President Trump should act immediately. If Elon’s threatening to pull a major program from SpaceX, Trump should sign an executive order tonight under the Defense Production Act. SpaceX should be seized by the U.S. government before midnight." https://x.com/i/status/1930735714645188802

Trump was going after Musk pretty hard until Musk dropped the Epstein bomb. After which, instead of smearing Musk in typical Trump fashion, his tone was this:

I mean, of course he is. lol. There's nothing really strange about it. He'll condone a pedo if they make him money/power but will smear the pedo if they cost him money/power.

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Elon can simply say he found out after the fact.

@Leo Gura Do you suspect it's just an unfounded smear?

Neo-Nazi Nick Fuentes says Trump-Epstein connection is no-brainer 😂

Here's a timeline:

I thought of that, but I don't think Trump would risk this amount of reputation damage when there are other viable paths for market manipulation. Not impossible, but seems unlikely. It was reported 7 hours ago that Tesla lost 152 billion in market cap after Trump responded to something Elon said. Hours later, Musk is dropping the Epstein bomb.