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Thanks! Yeah, I don't think it's some magical thing you just receive without any work. Curiosity is a good word. It's more like a muscle and thinking exercises the muscle. So if one is prone to do a lot of thinking, that seems to be a prerequisite, but not necessarily enough. If someone is highly aware of their own thoughts (metacognition), those thoughts are more real, more experiential, which means they would lodge into the subconscious more deeply, thus being more accessible for intuitive processing. This is why I think metacognition would be a force multiplier. But also, you can make things lodge even deeper in the subconscious by how you engage with the thoughts. For me, if I engage in some sort of probabilistic thinking, that seems to make things stick in my head for a very long time because I have some sort of stake in the game. When I claim something is highly likely and it turns out to be false, that really sticks out to me and I correct it. Over time, this correction mechanism pays dividends for intuition, or at least filtering intuition. In this case, the intuition or filtering is enhanced by the correction mechanism. All just speculation really, but my best understanding so far. Still haven't gotten around to checking out the yoga sutra. Thanks for the info.

Apparently, it's largely due to devious business practices and being exclusionary and parasitic to other nations. From what I understand, historically, they have leeched off other nations whilst wanting to remain separate from those nations, and this orientation towards other nations has earned them a bad reputation with lasting effects. Alice Bailey, in her book "Problems of Humanity (1947), discusses the issue. https://1lib.sk/book/29740611/fd4cf7/problems-of-humanity.html She sums up with "The Jew has set up an ancient pattern of living within other nations; as a citizen with all the rights of citizenship, he has built up a wall of taboos, of habits and religious observances which separate him off from his environment and make him non-assimilable. These must go and he must become a citizen not only in name but in fact.

Interesting. I’ll check it out. Kind of reminds me of some Alfred Adler books I’ve been listening to.

I see a connection. I just had the thought the other day that to be hyper-fixated on pickup is feminine. Pickup is often more about fulfilling emotional needs rather than physical needs. It’s essentially a response to being very needy of an emotion or reality, masquerading as a response to physical needs, intertwined with neurotic ambition and egoic superiority. A mature man would not double down into neediness by masking it with achievement. He would instead remove the neediness altogether, accept reality, and just live his life. If no fuzz comes, it’s fine. A man would accept this reality and outgrow being sad or bitter towards it, and he’d work with the lot he has been given. Women either fall into orbit or they don’t. Women often melt down when they’re not able to secure a partner. Guys who study pickup are essentially doing the same thing, but they’re using pickup as a coping mechanism and to keep the pain of not being desirable at bay, serving not only as a distraction from the pain, but also simultaneously boosting their self-esteem with the prospect of conquest and superiority. (If they don’t desire me, I will outwit them and make them desire me. Then, not only will I be desired, I’ll be superior because I orchestrated them like puppets and they don’t even have a clue.) Genius survival strategy, aye? Not all PUAs are running on this program but it’s why the PUA community at large exists. Their physical needs could be achieved without a neurotic, ambitious, hyper-strategic orientation towards the courtship process, but it’s not about physical needs, it’s about emotional needs. “Pickup is the same energy as sobbing into a pillow because you didn’t get picked for cheer squad — only now it’s a grown-ass man wearing aviators and leather boots, running A/B tests on eye contact.” So yeah, emotional neediness is characteristic of the feminine. I don’t see how you get to homosexuality though.

Now there's talk of Trump pardoning Ghislaine Maxwell.

Intuition is kind of domain specific. Whatever realms you like to dwell in, that’s the realm your intuition will develop in. I used to enjoy analyzing human psychology, behavior, and motives. As a result, I developed high intuition in that area, but this does not transfer over to the stock market, lol. Whatever you want to get good at intuiting, you have spend time in that realm observing, asking questions, making predictions, reviewing and fixing your mistakes. If we’re talking about developing the intuitive faculty itself as to be more robust in general, I’m not sure how much one can develop that, but if you could, developing metacognition seems like it could be a force multiplier. Also, I think it’s in the way you use your mind. For example, I noticed that when I observe a dog’s behavior, if I see it do something that I don’t understand, I immediately begin trying to solve that puzzle. I might spend 30 seconds contemplating it’s behavior before I come up with some reasons to explain it. I might come up 3 reasons but can confirm neither, but I will choose (predict) what I think the answer is. Then, in the future when more data comes in, I will eventually be able to solve the mystery, and because I went through the process of contemplation and prediction, it all gets lodged in my head somewhere and pops back up the moment the data I need to solve the mystery shows up. Constantly treating reality like this would give you relatively high intuition. Most people don’t give a shit about why the dog did what it did, but I want to know. As a result, I can predict dog’s behavior and know what’s going on with it in a split second. I have a feeling high intuition is strongly correlated with high Need for Cognition and metacognition. So I think a lot of it has to do with asking questions non stop and trying to find the answer but not jumping to conclusions. Leaving the possibilities on the table, waiting for them to be confirmed or removed.

It would explain the very odd move of flaunting the binders to the media and the 360 flip flop. Also, Trump’s term is littered with brazen shakedowns. Seems to fit perfectly.

This just occurred to me: Trump had his justice department go public with the Epstein investigation. Holding up binders to the public. Then, his AG says "the names are on my desk" Trump bringing the investigation into the media spotlight was his opening move of a shakedown. If you were a guilty elite, you'd probably be shitting bricks right about then. You'd likely be trying to lobby Trump to squash the investigation. This is an easy grift for Trump. Could easily make hundreds of millions of dollars between just a few elites. Then, a little while later.. Names? What names? There are no names. This seems like a good fit. Obviously not the entire story, but I think very likely part of it. If I'm right, and I think I am, it just goes to show that Trump values grifting much more than he cares about maintaining his legacy or reputation. He had an opportunity to demonstrate he had no ties to Epstein, and he had an opportunity to make MAGA very, very happy, but instead, he went with the money.

That was just ChatGPT. It's probably adapted to me.

Good stuff, thanks @Emerald and @RendHeaven.

Yes, I was saying the majority of people who use the argument are full of shit, and without knowing you, I have to default you into that bucket as well. Nothing personal, it's just in my experience as a man, who has deconstructed countless ego games, I'm calling it bullshit, but maybe you are that .01%, which I left room for. I am consciously projecting my own value system onto all this, and I'm aware I could just be dealing with an alien value system not driven by ego. If that's truly the case, I'm sorry if I've offended you. If it's any consolation, since you're an Actualized.org VIP, I put your odds at 1-100 instead of 1-10000. Lol You and every other man. If you spread a 5 open on a bed and right next to her a 10 and say "which do you prefer?", 99% will choose the 10. Congrats on being special. We're all "lovers of beauty" in this regard. Status and ego mostly disappear here while the animal takes over. Status and ego come into play when you start with this pretentious, elitist game of acting like your appreciation for beauty is so profound and special that it compels you to seek out only 9s and 10s. This only makes sense if you yourself are 8-10 or have a very oddball value system. Yes, I have a dick myself. I remember asking my mom why my pee pee got hard when I saw a man kiss a woman in her bra on Cinemax when I was 4. I used to fantasize about saving my pretty kindergarten teacher from falling off a rooftop and then she lets me play with her tits. I also remember approaching pretty girls in 4k to ask them if they liked me better than some other dude. So of course I know about being attracted to females before status comes into play. Again, the natural impulse is fine. It's the pretentious ego game of "Only the Finest" that I'm mocking. Here's the ego game I intuit is in play: Again, if that's not you, I apologize. But keep in mind, the ego is sneaky and very deceptive. How can you be sure it's not playing this game with you? It sure plays it with many others.

Yes, but I'm not sure how it could be any other way really. We see things as more or less this or that. I have a cute dog, he's not an ugly dog. He's like a 9. lol

We all know what an ugly person is and what a beautiful person is from our culture's perspective. It's possible for us as individuals to find something ugly or beautiful that is in disagreement with our culture's perspective, but this doesn't negate the culture's perspective. This is the basis of the scale. Whether it goes spoken or unspoken, it does exist. But I agree, it's not a very useful scale, although we're getting some use out of it now. lol.

Well yeah, but none of this is a problem for these guys, and of course they're the exception to most of what I've been saying. For everyone else, I believe people should be content getting in where they fit in and just letting that be that. If you wind up punching above your weight, great. Punching down, no problem if it makes you happy. But if you're a 6, sure, you can aim for a 10, but don't have it as some unrealistic standard or grand prize that you constantly chase. My claim is this is pathological/unhealthy. It just seems immature/unhealthy that grown men would take such a pursuit seriously. These pickup guys suggest investing thousands of hours into honing these skills. This is an absurd waste of time and life. And all in the name of "appreciating beauty". I don't buy it. Even if I did, I would hard disagree on this as a way of life or serious hobby. Seems hedonistic and weak, like you got your priorities all messed up.

I agree that most men would be happiest with an 8, but every man going after an 8 is untenable as 79% of men are themselves not an 8. Of course the analogy breaks down at some point but the main idea is the ego is usually the driver in "needing" the absolute best. The base needs could easily be met with an average looking chick, the same way that a typical sedan covers the need to get from A to B. 99.999% of the time, it's the ego that wants a Lambo, and when someone who wants a Lambo hears this, they rationalize their desire by saying things like "I just admire beauty and cool stuff" or something like that. What does the ego get? High-status, a feeling of superiority, a boost to identity, a story to tell. It’s not about the need for transportation, it’s about transformation. The ego wants to arrive envied, admired, and validated. Just like the guy who insists he can only feel fulfilled with 9s and 10s, what he’s really chasing is confirmation that he’s valuable, worthy, powerful. It's easy to confuse validation with fulfillment. Ego hijacks primal needs, chasing beauty, success, admiration, under the illusion of “standards” and "needs". Many aspirations are not rooted in genuine need or deep appreciation, but a quest for status and self-worth.

Agreed. It’s like wanting a Lamborghini because of how special it can make you feel via status signaling, irrespective of its functional impact on you. And they would just say “There’s nothing wrong with being a lover of beautiful cars. Some men just have higher standards than others and want to be up close and personal to beautiful configurations of fiberglass and metal. Not all men are satisfied with run of the mill sedans”. And of course they think lambo seeking is a higher form of existence, placing them atop the mental hierarchy of men. Completely wrapped up in ego. IMO, if you refuse to or can’t be content with an average looking girl, there’s very likely some pathology to explore or trauma to resolve.

@Emerald I gotcha. So his beard wasn’t grey enough 😂. I actually think there are some of the same elements you describe in your attraction to an older male in my attraction to an older female. Interesting.

Lol, nah. I actually look goofy AF for the most part. I could look like a 6.5 or 7 in certain light with a hat (I'm bald with a weird shaped head) while in my prime, but even this might be too high. Girls were attracted to me when I was younger, but they all report it wasn't so much my looks as it was my demeanor, attitude, mystic, allure, or whatever. TBF, I did have a leg up. My leg up was being a natural at reading people and their perceptions, thus knowing how to come off, and using subtle non-verbal communication to lure people in. Also, largely smiling, laughing, coming off as a confident, safe, fun, easy-to-approach person who looks like could engage them in an interesting conversation. All of this has to be balanced perfectly, and I just understood it intuitively, so that was my leg up. HealthyGamer isn't particularly attractive and he reports the same eye contact escalation that I've always noticed.

IME, this is precisely how it's always worked. You catch a girl looking or she catches you, then someone looks away. It happens again until it's known, then comes initial comms. It's how girls let you know they want you to talk to them. It's in like every movie ever, no?

Damn, did he get his video notes from this thread? Even with all the modern technology, it seems getting face to face with your friends would still be the thing most teens would want to do. My guess is there's still a lot of face-to-face interaction, just with much smaller social circles. Then, on top of that, social media and dating apps have caused a runaway effect with dating standards. It seems the collective ego has been exacerbated by the Gram and things like this, so this itself would make girls not even want to be in the same vicinity with anyone less than a 7, else she lose social status, and the guys pick up on this and are understandably fucked up by it. Is this largely what's happening? Dwindling face-to-face interaction and runaway dating standards? Reminds me of that elk species that went extinct because the females would only mate with the males who had the largest horns. The horns got so big it killed off the species. lol.

Yeah, that's funny. It's like, dude, your hay day is over. Go home. Lol. Or at the least go hang by the bar and don't be imposing your old ass onto young women. I suppose it's different for guys though. I actually enjoyed women aged 35-50 when I was in my mid twenties. Many of them are happy to have flings with young guys, without demanding all the attention younger women usually require. They're much more fun too, as they're more mature, witty, and better at flirting and being sexy. They could actually teach me something. Thinking back on it, those were my favorite. When I was the one being picked up by an experienced woman. Highly recommend older chicks.

Right. I spent my teen years in pickup manipulation mode and could manipulate the shit out of people. I could even talk my buddies into talking their girls into sleeping with me, and I'd tell them what to say. It was sick and very unhealthy and led to thoroughly ruining my reputation in my hometown. I still experience shame about all this. Anyway, I moved to a new town, cut out all the bullshit, started fresh, and things got better. As far as I can see, there is no healthy way to gather and hold in mind all the knowledge of how to manipulate women, with the intent to manipulate them like your puppet, and to have a healthy conscience. We've seen a few of the justifications for such behavior in this thread, and there are many more, but it's all obviously bullshit. There comes a time when you realize you should treat women with respect and not take advantage of them for your own selfish gain. I just turned down sex because I know in return, I'm expected to give my time and attention, which I'm not willing to do, so I'm not going to take something from her and not give her what I know she wants in return. I suppose if you're engaging with the bottom of the barrel in terms of female character, or if having random flings and transactional sex is for her a way of life, or nothing serious and she doesn't expect anything from you besides sex, then there is no problem, but I don't come across many women that fit this bill. It's understandable that young men would engage in such activities, but to continue them well into adulthood is obviously problematic and there's no reasonable justification for it, at least not for 99.999% of men. You could make a pie chart of the reasons grown men keep doing this, but you'd need a microscope to find the part labeled "healthy motivation."

The timing is suspicious. As soon as Elon starts a new party, Trump admin gets out in front of the Epstein allegations.

I don’t live that life anymore. Grew out of it, but even still, I’d stick with the old people. Have fun collecting your trophies. Miami explains a lot. Super competitive ethos. Trophies are important in Miami. Cringe city.