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You can do your devilry without lies. I never promised a woman anything. Not once. And that was part of my devilry.

Nothing wrong with that at all. It's the overall predatory view that is a problem. It's a natural stage for guys to go through. Like I said, I went through it. But at some point, if you're developing, you'll snap out of it. It's understandable that if you're in your 20s, you will put your own needs above everyone else's. I can forgive someone 20-30 for not forgoing his own sexual interests, but 30+, I think you're lagging behind in development, and most likely because you've got something to prove regarding pussy.

Yeah man. I'm not the square you're picturing. I was the bad boy. I was the one orchestrating gangbangs and threesomes. I had more insane sexual experiences from 15-20 than most dudes will in their lives. Yet I still say the things I do. Wonder why? It's because I matured and realized how pathetic it was. I was exploiting the shit out of women's psychology and eventually saw it for what it was and became ashamed of it. At that point, I started treating women with respect, trying to make up for all of my devilry. That's when I learned you don't have to trick them. 😂

It's actually not a mystery at all. Women are very sensitive to coercion.

Hell yeah, good questions. For #1, I find that to answer that question well, you have to go back to the origin point and gather all the circumstances and zeitgeist. Understanding psychological, market, and any other relevant factors. I would need to run that type of analysis on many fads if I wanted to have confidence in my answer to questions #2 and #3. It would be a lot of work, but AI would be a huge help.

Yeah, it's an interesting thing to speculate on. Maybe if you wanted to benefit from such future fads, you'd study and monitor the influencer networks that attempt to push fads. Doing an in-depth breakdown of how NFTs even came on the scene would be a very interesting study. It's not like it was just some organic emergence. Then, figure out how pokemon cards became what they did. Basically, assemble the full map of how these fads come about. That's what I would do if I was trying to capitalize on them.

How easily could you become a friend to a girl? Whatever the answer to that question is, is the answer to how easily you can get laid. If the answer is not at all, then getting laid is almost certainly not going to happen. If you can actually go out and make females like you non-sexually, then the battle is basically already won. You simply have to be a guy women like. The first skill you need is making women like you as a person. How do you accomplish that? If ease with women is necessary to get laid, and it is, then any method that lets you skip it is going to fail, no matter how many "sets" you run. So, go out with the intention of making friends with girls, not having sex with them. Do that until one of them says they want to come home with you. The biggest thing to avoid is the appearance of a tryhard. Learn the behaviors and mannerisms of a tryhard and avoid them at all costs. Do that while having a good time and making people like you. You make people like you by being either pleasant, nice, funny, warm, entertaining, interesting, mysterious, or whatever hooks you've got to work with that people like. That's the real game: learning how to make women like you. Not learning how to trick them. When you do that, pussy just falls in your lap out of the blue when you least expect it. Imagine that. Power vs force, lol.

You basically had a group of influencers behind the whole push, and for them, it was win-win, no matter what.

Also, that Tom dude who is Gary V adjacent (forget his name, but he's popular on Youtube). That mother fucker was holding huge conference calls telling tons of people that he knew it in his heart that NTFs were gonna take off, and if they would just trust him and invest the 9k in his NFTs, the investment would far more than pay for itself down the road. Tom was in that Gary V group of influencers that were pushing it, and they were all peddling the same shit. I myself seriously considered investing the 9k because Tom was such a good salesmen. I don't care what Gary V or Tom said. Just look at what happened. They made a fucking killing and everyone else lost their money.

It's been so long ago that I can't recall, but I saw some pretty damning piece on it where he was talking about intentional psychological manipulation, and even if it didn't work, it would still profit. Something like that.

They were only a thing for a very short while, until the marketplace saw through the bullshit. Are you familiar with how Gary V and company manipulated this market? IMO, it's never coming back. It's far too niche. Some "status" symbol on your computer isn't very flex-able. How do you flex a jpeg? lol

I never created an account for IG or tiktok. I have a FB account but I never get on it anymore. In the past year, I signed up for twitter and basically turned into @Jirh and started jacking off to it more than anything else, 😂. So, I don't get on that anymore, as it's obviously a subpar jackoff solution. So, basically, no social media for me. This forum is it. And I'm not sure how long that'll last. I don't see how you can just scroll to see what others are doing as a form of entertainment. After the first 500 hours, it's all the same. Total waste of time. So at that point, one must ask "what am I getting from it?". And then try to be principled enough to act in alignment with them.

Who else uses music to also help expand their models of mind? Here's a beautiful taste of conservative pride, if you can feel it.

But wanting something and passing on it is the most normal thing in the world. People do it all day with houses, cars, food. And you're treating attractive women as the category for which this is not allowed. You're saying that if you do this with attractive women, there's something inherently fucked up about you, lol.

Let's say it was legit. What are the chances her one and only command hallucination presented after she orchestrated her husband's departure?

That's because his wife was pissed at him for not taking her side, lol. He even says so on his show and in this clip. He said it REALLY bothered his wife, so like a good therapist, he came to her emotional support, lol. Importantly, he never discusses the event timeline. Woman is suicidal for months and wants to kill herself and even researches it. But she can't just do the deed because what about her kids? The solution? Take them with her. She then goes to therapy to get help for all of this. When the help doesn't work, she keeps wanting to go through with it and eventually pulls the trigger. Her husband worked from home so she couldn't just kill the kids and off herself any time because she never really had the house to herself. So she tells him to go fetch dinner and it just so happens the voice appeared during that time. For Dr. K to just ignore all this is quiet disappointing. Everyone should find it highly suspicious than an acute psychotic event occurred at precisely the perfect moment for her to enact the thing she went to therapy for in the first place, before any psychosis or command hallucinations ever occurred.

We agree there, lol

Most don't 😂 Yes, I agree with that. But I thought we were talking about something else. You said something like men who don't pursue are rationalizing out of some fear or less than ideal conditioning. Like if a man is going about his life, seeing attractive women on the street and just walks by them, he's operating on some bad psychology if he doesn't approach them. And I was saying, no, it's normal to walk past 1000 things you would take if you could get them for free, but since they aren't free, you just keep walking, no sour grapes. It's abnormal to waltz about on that street as if every attractive woman is something to desire for more than a few seconds, as well as it is to be looking for approach missions you're either accepting or chickening out of. To turn talking to attractive women into a challenge seems neurotic. Guys seem to get more of a rush from having successful interactions with hot girls than they do actually having sex with them, lol. If that's true, and I think it is (been there), that gives the entire game away: external validation. But of course, this neuroticism isn't recognized as such. It's recognized as a man living up to his fullest potential because I'm a man, I like sex, I like beautiful women, and I want more of both. Which is the perfect cover story for organizing his life around acquiring them. Appetite promoted to virtue. That said, I get it. Men need solutions to get sex, and your approach does work. It's just not my cup of tea. Pros and cons.

It seems there's an underlying frame that if something is desirable, there must be some sort of conquest mission to attain it. It's a basic form of reasoning where people can look at something desirable and ask themselves how much they truly want it, then ask how much work goes into getting it, and then decide the desirable thing is better off not pursued, and to walk away without "sour grapes". So if I see a desirable woman who I would most certainly consider having sex with, I think of all that entails and almost always decide that it would be nice to have but I don't want it enough. I don't walk away from that with "sour grapes" or any negative emotion at all. @enchanted was talking about the benefit, not the cost. He was saying the stories that men tell themselves about the benefits are often bullshit, which is correct and a basic understanding of how the mind works. And those stories of status, conquest, accomplishment, etc, are scripts running on base instincts that are easy to understand upon observation. Can you see how having a "conquest" frame increases the benefit, thus justifying the cost of the mission? Obviously, the reward is higher for the conquest-focused person because they're getting a bonus on top of the thing (increased self-worth, status, high score, etc). The conquest-oriented person is running a ledger, and that ledger tallies their self-worth - that's why they do it - for the proof on the scoreboard. If one doesn't need self-worth from the scoreboard, the cost-benefit comes out differently. It would be like if you were a runner and completing a marathon gave you a great sense of accomplishment, and you told all non-runners that the only reason they aren't actualizing themselves is because they're rationalizing their laziness, but they can have the grand prize of accomplishment and conquest if they simply get off their lazy, rationalizing asses and run the marathon. The runner assumes that because the marathon fills a hole in him, that everyone has that hole. If you deem the cost worth it, then by all means, do you. But if others don't see it as worth it, don't project inferiority or a hurt/broken psychology onto them, at least not as universally as you seem to. Everyone wants the candy bar bro. Some are more bothered by not being able to have it than others. Conquest is one way to make the pursuit mean something. It's not the only way. Conquest is obsessed with the scoreboard. Appetite gets fed and goes quiet. When I see a badass mansion or super yacht and think of how nice it would be to have such an easy and plush lifestyle, I don't have "sour grapes". I see something that would be nice to have, dream about having it, consider what it would take to get it, and then get back to life. A question to reflect on if you want: "Abundance" and "options". For what? What is the motive for abundance and options? "When a general takes a province, the province's qualities don't matter to him as qualities. Its rivers, its people, what it's like to live there — irrelevant. What matters is that it's his now, and what taking it says about him and his position relative to rivals. The territory is valued entirely for its function in the score."

Soul-sucking, bad decision, waste of time, living hell. Never again!

Yeah, he’s fucking brilliant. I bought as much of his stuff that I could find several years back.

💯 Also highly recommend exploring all of Alain de Botton.

If you woke up tomorrow and every human except you was gone from the earth, what might your psychology look like 2 years from then?

Thanks! I'll definitely check it out.