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That screenshot is not from the study and the study makes no such claim. Do you have a ChatGPT subscription? Ask it if the claim in your screenshot comports with the actual study. You can use ChatGPT as a tool to make sure you’re not believing in false shit. If you don’t have it, here’s what it says: "More diversity" in this context means less internal coherence in how attitudes cluster, not necessarily that conservatives hold a wider range of views. It might reflect multiple subtypes within the conservative coalition (e.g. libertarians, populists, traditionalists), or less agreement on which attitudes define conservative identity. But it does not mean that conservatives are more open-minded or tolerant of opposing views.

While Trump throws himself a military parade in D.C. for his birthday — tanks and all — the rest of the country is rising up. On Saturday, June 14, Americans in over 1,600 cities and towns — red, blue, and everything in between — will take to the streets in a mass, nonviolent protest to say: 🛑 No more authoritarianism. 🛑 No more lies about having a mandate. 🛑 No more silence from us. 🗺️ See how massive this is: 👉 View the protest map You’ll probably find an event within minutes of your home. Last time, on April 5, 5.2 million people marched nationwide for our rights, our Constitution, our health care, our bodies, our immigrants. This time? We’re aiming even bigger. If you're thinking, "I'm just one person, it won’t make a difference,” or “Someone else will go,”—understand this: movements don’t need perfect people, they need present ones. You don’t have to chant, carry signs, or stay for hours. Just showing up—even for 10 minutes—adds one more visible body to the crowd. That’s what shifts perception, what gives courage to others, what makes the media pay attention. Staying home is exactly what they’re counting on. So if you’ve ever said “I care,” this is when it counts. 🔗 Find your protest + RSVP here: https://www.nokings.org/ https://indivisible.org/ 📢 Share this map. Talk to your neighbors. Bring a friend. June 14 isn’t just a protest. It’s a correction.

Elon Musk must know the No Kings protests are gonna be huge. He's spreading propaganda trying to paint the movement as corrupt, claiming elite political backing, paying protestors $200/day. Only two options here. He's literally a dumbass or he's deceiving people intentionally. Obviously, it's the latter.

Regarding the pursuit of spirituality, it seems people are motivated by: Attaining a permanent state of awe (replacing negative emotion with positive) Exploring and finding easter eggs within consciousness (fun times) Getting high from cracking the puzzles and discovering new insights (fun times) Traversing the complexity of consciousness (fun times) I'm sure there are more, but these seem to be dominant. So what is the point? Mostly seems like hedonism and running from pain, masquerading as purpose. Seems to me, the higher pursuit would be to ground spirituality in physical reality and use it to make oneself an instrument of good in this world rather than seek to "transcend" it all together. Unless there's some point besides just chasing some state some guru talks about. All the theories you find, and all the states you experience — no matter how intricate and beautiful — seem like a waste of time if not grounded in the real world. Essentially like a traveler traveling the world in pursuit of evermore beautiful landscapes. Eventually, with enough awareness, the traveler realizes that making the point of life to cast one's eyes upon a landscape is ridiculous.

I don't see how the insight could exist without it. It’s implicit in everything I said. "Realness confronts unreality just by being in the room". that only makes sense if one frame sees through the other.

No problem! Yeah, the book talks about there being forks in the road where one can self-correct, but I haven't gotten to the part where it talks about escaping the trap yet. It seems most everyone goes through this sequence to some degree or another. What manifests seems mostly dependent on circumstance.

It seems you're projecting misunderstanding onto me again. The foundational insight was implied and I even described it: a frame-level mismatch where my non-participation destabilizes the other person’s identity through presence. Then I started adding the real-world mechanics on top of it: Gaze behavior Facial micro-signals Approval-seeking patterns Social expectations of mirroring Emotional interpretation of neutrality Unless there's something I'm missing, other than fancy terminology.

Frame Fluidity: The capacity to shift between different conceptual, philosophical, or perceptual lenses at will — including belief systems, interpretive paradigms, or internal models of reality. Attentional Granularity: the ability to modulate the scale of attention — from zooming in on a micro-detail to panning out for a macro-level view — and to toggle between them fluently. This governs how precisely a person can inspect thought-objects, environmental data, or emotional sensations. Granularity also includes the ability to sustain high-resolution focus without over-compression or blur. Introspective Reflexivity: The capacity to monitor, question, and reflect on one’s own mental activity in real time. It allows a person to not only observe their thoughts but also to ask meta-level questions about the origins, patterns, or validity of those thoughts as they’re occurring. Self-Authoring Capacity: The extent to which an individual has taken conscious ownership of their identity, worldview, values, and life trajectory. It reflects whether their beliefs, actions, and goals arise from independent internal construction — rather than external scripts inherited from culture, authority, or peer groups.

This is a good one. I was just fleshing this out a few weeks back. Realness confronts unreality just by being in the room. I've experienced strangers having a big problem with me for no reason, without ever even speaking to them. I didn't get it for the longest time but then I realized, some people see me as a threat, which doesn't make sense because I'm not aggressive, loud, big, imposing, etc. "I’m loyal to reality, not performance. I’m not seeking approval. I’ll see what’s actually here." People feel something like "Wait… this person doesn’t need me to like them. This person isn’t reinforcing the mask I’ve built. This person’s attention feels… unfiltered." Most people use their eyes to solicit approval, signal friendliness, or reinforce the other’s identity. If your gaze is neutral, still, wide, and non-seeking, it can be polarizing. That lack of neediness or approval-seeking = "This person isn’t buying into my persona." Neurotypical people subtly mirror expressions — nods, eyebrows, micro-smiles — even when they're faking interest. If you're naturally more still, contemplative, or discerning, your face becomes non-compliant. This is read as "not participating in the unspoken agreement to pretend." ❗ “He’s watching but not joining. Is he judging me? Is he analyzing me?” I think it's mostly threatening because they intuit you see their performance, they feel inferior, and sometimes they're jealous of such independence.

That's some good fruit @gettoefl!

Nice! To make a practice of labeling the activities of the mind as either "mine" or "not mine" seems like it could be powerful. Is the point to remove noise, or negativity? I'm guessing noise, because you want efficiency of mind?

Yes! Thank you.

Yep. The neurosis is so deep though. Talk about a survival strategy 😆

Neurosis and Human Growth - The Struggle Towards Self-Realization Just stumbled across this gem of a book. It delves into the origins of men's attitudes toward women. It also explains power and prestige very well. It isn't about either of these things but many of the maladaptive "neurotic solutions" spring from the same well. This book just moved into my top 10. Basically, it's all tracks back to bad parenting. 😂 🧩 The Neurotic Path of Development Emotional insecurity in childhood ➝ The child feels unloved, unseen, or unaccepted as they are. Basic anxiety emerges ➝ A deep, ongoing sense of isolation and helplessness in a world perceived as hostile. Self-idealization forms ➝ The child constructs a fantasy self: powerful, admirable, perfect — everything they feel they must be to earn love or safety. Pride system takes hold ➝ They begin identifying with this ideal self-image, gaining a sense of significance from imagined attributes. Rigid standards develop ➝ The person now must live up to this ideal. Any failure feels like proof of worthlessness. Discrepancy grows ➝ Reality doesn’t reflect the ideal — especially in relationships, status, or admiration. Shame, rage, or withdrawal follow ➝ The person may lash out, blame others, or retreat into bitterness and alienation. Compulsive worldview sets in ➝ The fantasy becomes a fixed belief system. The original idealized self — someone attractive, desirable, worthy of love — fails to materialize in real life. Instead of reassessing the ideal, the neurotic mind doubles down and creates a worldview to explain and justify the gap. Incel psychology in a nutshell. Basically same principle for people like Musk who is predominantly power-driven and Trump who is predominantly prestige-driven. Seeking power and prestige are neurotic solutions to the “basic anxiety” formed in childhood.

Trump has to be careful. If the wrong person gets injured or dies, he'll be fucked. Also, there's no shortage of people that would love to be at Trump's military parade. In fact, he probably thought of charging for the tickets and his advisors had to tell him it's a bad idea. 😂

Right. The people say they want a strong leader but when they see a woman project strength, they cringe. And if that woman is from another culture, they cringe harder.

“Suicide should never be an option” person A says to person B. Enter person C: “ well, actually, you’re wrong. Suicide is an option if the pros outweigh the cons”. WTF??

The truth that suicide can be the best option is best left unsaid in public forums. It’s weird how this is like the 5th thread I’ve seen around here where this obvious truth is being talked about like it’s some deep insight. Flexing how much cold truth you know around people toying with suicide is immature and dangerous.

But this is just what some guru has told you. What does this actually achieve? Is it freedom or liberation you’re after? Is it just about a deep desire to know the ultimate reality? What does becoming God get you? Of those who claim to be God-realized, they are very much still the same humans they have been regarding temperament, habits, etc. Nothing much changes. So why? What do you get? Is it a feeling? A feeling of wholeness?

This needs a dedicated thread.

Good point. One problem I noticed is that if young, impressionable people wind up on this forum, the first thing they'll likely notice is intellectualism is the main theme. There's all this talk about understanding reality and that can be achieved with deep study and psychedelics and all this. This isn't spirituality but they're being told it is. That young, impressionable person would be steered in the wrong direction IMO. There's not enough talk around here about embodiment. There's all this talk about growth but I rarely see serious discussions about it. People here imply that understanding politics, metaphysics, and every facet of reality is somehow essential for spiritual growth. The actual fruits of spirituality dont' require analyzing ideologies, systems, or theories. The underlying value system seems to prioritize stimulation over transformation. Again, to each their own, but it's at least worth considering.

To me, the point of spirituality is things like becoming light-hearted, open, loving, kinder, accepting, lowering neuroticism, and things like this that can actually have a positive impact on oneself and the world. These are obviously useful and helpful and worthwhile. This is the higher game. The lower game is what I see being played around here. Spiritual bypassing and endless intellectual novelty. Psychedelics are being used to serve these.

It's all structure. Ultimately, there is no difference in being in awe of a beautiful transcendent experience and being in awe of a beautiful landscape you cast your eyes upon. They're both experiences that you witness and then they pass. And when they pass, there you are, the same as you were, but maybe wishing for another experience. So go chase another, and another. That's the game I'm saying is lower. Awe, fade, seek, repeat, while hoping some day the awe becomes permanent.

😂 That cracked me up

Yeah, I guess I'm just putting my opinion out there. If we're to construct a game, it seems the higher game to me. This is obviously just my opinion and preference, but something just seems immature/childish/selfish about the other ways. To each their own though. Of course it is. So are many landscapes.