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Round Lenght Calculator ( From ACC Group ) I'll leave this here. Doesn't seem that useful for now ...? --- I also shot a message to my dentist double checking for the material used for my dental implant. It's titanium and that's fine .

I found the DNA test that Leo recommended - "23andme" . It's a saliva test ( world-wide shipping ) for about 80 USD + shipping . With this you get access to your genes and you can look for certain gene mutations that may hinder heavy metal detox . If you got them, you can asume chelation is for you. That's my understanding for now. - To be further researched - Quote from Leo's video on Chelation : I don't think I'll be doing for that now. Already chunked my budged for this month with almost 400€ on chelation supplies, and thats without the 200€ on urine tests ( I'f I decide to do them )

Today was good. I found out LOTS of practical info. I found out that the UK DMSA provider also has lots of good supplements ( like the Adrenal suplement Andy Cutler recommends ) The adrenal cortex suplement is kind of expensive but I'll try it out anyways. I have never done any adrenal gland testing, and it's suposed to be taxed a lot during heavy metal chelation , so as long as the suplmenet doesn't have any potential negative side effects I'll go for it . Another heavily taxed organ would be the Liver. Some of the most recommended supplements by Andy are " Milk Thistle " and " Artichoke Extract " These are just the brands I picked. Remember I'm a " noob " learning so they may not be the exact dosage but I'm trying to be wise here and follow the recommendations. EDIT : Woops ! turns out the Milk Thistle I bought isn't it. I'll have to send it back. It's missing the " 250-750 mg of silymarin " part. I found a different one that has it . Correct " Milk Thistle Extract " Besides that, I ordered ONE of THE BOOKs. Now I feel I'll have some more guidance besides asking random forum members and scrolling through the facebook group ?. Just about 25 € , totally worth. I also purchased the following : Two DMSA x100MG ( 50 capsules each ) Two DMSA x50MG ( 90 capsules each ) One DMSA x25MG ( 90 capsules ) ( I',m thinking about starting with one 25MG pill every 3 hours for the rounds - to be researched more- ) One ALA x 12'5MG ( 90 capsules ) --- I just purchased this kind of randomly . I don't know if that's a safe starting dose but I think I read somewhere that it would be okay. Worst case scenario I'll just order a lower dosage ALA. But you gotta start somewhere and intuition was telling me this could do the job. Adrenal Cortex ( already mentioned before ) And lastly, " Zinc Picolinate x50MG ( 120pills ) - thats not the brand Leo uses but it is the same dosage. I then ordered " The Big 4 " from Amazon, which are supplements that help to protect, cope and negate the negative side effects of chelating. That is: Vitamin C ( Exact Leo's brand ), - - - EDIT : Since Leo takes one 500 MG pill every 3 hour chunk of the chelation round, and ACC recommends that you take all of these supplements both ON and OFF round, I'll also purchase this same Vitamin C supplement but in a higher 1000MG dose, since ACC recommends only 4 doses , 4000 - 8000 MG per day in total. I'll be doing the 500MG every 3 hour ON round ( as Leo shows ) and the " just 4 doses a day " with the big pills , as ACC recommends. I don't think this is a big of a deal, but I just felt like it may be better this way. Magnesium Citrate - Not the same, but seems to be decent enough -. I already regularely take Magnesium Glycinate ( used by Leo ) and I know I tolerate it well ( under 300MG, otherwise I get mild stomach cramps and possibly diharrea ). I hope Magnesium Citrate is not " magnesium Shitrate " for me as some people have reported lol ) Vitamin E ( Exact Leo's brand ) Zinc Picolinate - that I purchased off Mandimart - since the one Leo showed isn't to be found in EU, or I just haven't found it. Also I purchased the Pill box - it's 31 slots since it's designed to be pill box for a whole month, but It seems to be perfect for chelation. Rather than purchasing four one week boxes, I can fill all the doses in this one " one month " container . ( 8 doses per day, per 4 days = 32 . I take the first dose by hand and all the rest are set in the box. I plan to be doing 4 day rounds ( and at least 4 day off ) so if the individual containers are big enough to fit in all the pills, this would be ideal. Andy recommends that I'f you feel well ON round, stretch it one day further each time, as Longer rounds are BENEFICIAL if you can handle them well. Don't forget to rest an equal ammount too .

I posted this few months ago: I was thinking about possible sources that may have intoxicated me with heavy metals throughout my life, and I came up with : Tap water: Cooking, cleaning dishes, showering, rinsing mouth after brushing teeth, even making coffee and I remember my teachers at school telling me to drink tap water. food: Low quality vegetables, fruits and meat possibly poluted and grown in low quality soil that use the crappiest " water " possible. Meat soup where the bones leak the accumulated heavy metals. Lot's of fish and seafood. Mostly fed tuna by my parents and I allways loved shellfish ( f*ck me ) Hygiene products : mostly deodorant ( aluminum ) Cookware : I remember keeping the trashiest most scratched teflon coated pans for so long. Same with teflon coated sandwich grills, and teflon coated rice cookers. I'm concerned that even though I only use the rice cooker to steam food, it still may leak teflon. And now the biggest one and the one that made me create this post : Traffic. For as long as I can remember, I've allways lived no further than 200 metres from a big road with 24/7 traffic. Sometimes even closer than that, for years and years . It just hit me today as I was going to the gym that the " fresh air " that I'm getting on my nice morning walk is not fresh at all , but possibly poluted with all kinds of heavy metals like lead and other poisonous gases.

Finish 5 - 10 only DMSA rounds and then start progressively adding ALA. That's the recommended plan for now.

We got an anwser bois:

@Leo Gura Leo's Demo on his DMSA dose The formula you gave for DMSA is 30MG x Your bodyweight in KG -per day - divided in 8 doses ( one every 3 hours ) for 72 hours. You mentioned that you weight about 170 Pounds ( 77KG) So for you it would be 30 x 77 = 2.310 MG per day. Divided in 8 doses it would be 288 MG every 3 hours. Yet in the clip I linked you say you just take 200 MG every 3 hours. (" only " 1600 MG per day ) Is there a reason for it besides not having to buy different dosage pills? Would you say that 200 MG DMSA every 3 hours is enough for most people around 65-80 KG ? ( 140 - 180 pounds ) Also I'd like to ask if you think it's wise to start with that 30mg x KG formula or would it be " safer " to start with something more light ? Obviously none of this would be medical advide and we take 100% responsability for whatever harm we may inflict to ourselves. I'll be doing lots of research on the topic for some time and it would be cool to have some more perspective. I plan to start with just DMSA for a month or two and then gradually get some progressive doses of ALA. IDK if this would be " safer " or unnecesary slowing me down. Big thanks .

Next step? ... I'm toxic? Guess so ✅ What to do about it? ➡ DMSA, ALA. Do ACC Detox protocol or Leo's guidelines. Where to buy chelators ? ➡ Here ... Next step would be researching how much to start with so that I know what dosages to buy. I'll check if the Urine test I chose has any guidelines. Otherwise I assume it would be 30mg x my bodyweight in KG - per day - ( in eight equal doses spaced out every 3 hours ) during three days and collect the urine twice as explained in Leo's video. once before taking DMSA and once after the first dose. [...] Some time later [...] It seems that there are clear instructions for how to perform both of the urine tests, PRE DMSA and POST DMSA. But no dosages. ACC FB group does not stand for Urine provoked tests therefore I assume there is not much information I can gather from there ( I'll check anyways ) Looks that for now, the dosages are as we explained above and then move into a 3 day ACC protocol. I just feel that may be a little too harsh ? I'll ask on the forum why was Leo taking 200MG of DMSA instead of that 280 MG he was suposed to be taking ( as the proper result of applying the formula )

Sourcing : DMSA ( Dimercaptosuccinic acid) . This is the one Leo recommends in his video. It's from Livingsupplements.com and it's also the site that ACC FB group links to. It's shipped from south africa ( cheers from Omicron lol ) UK provider. ( more expensive ) The one from Livingsupplements.com is the cheapest around and they deliver world-wide. If you order 4+ you get a discount and the price is basically 25€ per 45x100mg pill bottle. Downside : shipping is 4-8 weeks. Quality is assured though. You can also grab ALA ( Alpha Lipoic Acid ) from there or any other website that sells your desired dose, even AMAZON! but IDK about the dose I need to choose yet. I think about starting with DMSA only at first and after a month or more start slowly implementing ALA. ( ALA also chelates heavy metals from your brain , DMSA doesn't ) If you are in Europe and want a faster shipping and dont mind paying more then Leo also labeled this DMSA as " seems decent enough " ?‍♂️ These are all 100MG per pill. If for any reason you're going to grab a different ammount then just scroll through the website. The formula Leo gave was 30mg x bodyweight in KG - PER DAY - DIVIDED IN 8 DOSES, because you take a dose of the chelator every 3 hours ( there are 8 chunks of 3 hours in a day, aka 24 hour period ) Is that dangerous? People on ACC FB group recommend all sorts of doses, most of them way, WAY lower. But, It's backed up by this paper that Leo linked to. A good excerp : " [...] It has been demonstrated that DMSA 30 mg/kg/day is significantly more effective than either 10 or 20 mg/kg/day both in terms of enhancing lead excretion and reducing blood lead concentrations. 21 The same study also showed that the typical rebound increase in blood lead concentration after DMSA therapy is largely complete within 1 week of the last dose. For these reasons, DMSA 30 mg/kg/day was administered to our patients and a break of at least 1 week was interposed between each course to allow time for redistribution of lead from bone to soft tissues and blood. " For me that would mean 30 x 65 ( my bodyweight in KG ) = 1950 MG / day. We divide that by 8 because you are suposed to take a dose of DMSA or DMSA + ALA every 3 hours during your 72 hour round to avoid redistribution of heavy metals before they are excreted and therefore unnecesary damage. That would be 243,75 MG of DMSA every 3 hours for me, even during the night . BUT leo's weight is 77 KG and his dose is 2.310 per day ( 288,75 every 3 hours ) but in his demo he only takes 200 MG per day ( not sure the reason for this. Most likely the unwillingness to purchase different dosage pills, or the dose being " high enough already " Good info from ACC Group : " [...] If you feel better ON round, try to extend your rounds an extra day each time. Take 3 days off round minimum. Taking as much time off as on is recommended. "

What's the next step? I have claimed to be toxic ( by intuition ). I have choosen ( to do soon ) an urine test from all the tests ( hair / blood / urine . . . ) ACC recommends a hair test but there is little value to it as spoken about before : The most valuable info here is the " To make the urine test safer you can do the test and then go immediately into a 3 day Cutler detox cycle. This way any metals your test dose stirred up are detoxed. That is my preferred way. " He said he forgot to mention his in his video and it's quite crucial, so take care.

I wouldn't say that I suffer " insomnia " where I can't fall asleep or I repeatedly wake up, but I intuit that my sleep quality is far from decent. Sleep is complicated because there are many, many factors, but it's something I've been looking into for quite some time. To feel good I need to nap a few times throughout the day which is definately not ideal. Also sometimes I sleep 10 hours and I simply do not feel rested. Again, it could be many things, starting with improper sleep hygiene. Sometimes my sleep is decent. BUT : Recently I got a cyst under my ear. I read online that Tumeric is good against inflamation and a good home remedy etc. etc. I took two pills of my organic tumeric - ginger - black pepper supplement and let me tell you, I just had two really bad nights in a row. I'm talking nightmares and sleeping 10+ hours and waking up not rested at all. Why do I tell you this? because I made the connection with THIOLS : [...] " Turmeric is really good at raising thiol levels." [...] "Thiols are important because they have the ability to move mercury, but a weak bond such as that in a single thiol will move mercury but not excrete it." [...] "1/3 to 1/2 of mercury toxic people are sensitive to thiols. This results in a lot of misery for mercury toxic folks. Symptoms can include headaches, fatigue, gut/digestive issues, depression, high blood pressure, mood swings, and exacerbation of a person's regular mercury symptoms. It is, in essence, redistribution of mercury." So, I may be somewhat Thiol Sensitive. " [...] Thiol intolerance cannot be judged without a thiol exclusion and challenge trial. " This may be important because " [...] People who are thiol sensitive tend to need lower chelator doses and are able to increase more quickly as they minimize their thiol intake via food and supplements." Decent info on Thiols, Link borrowed from ACC group.

[,,,] A recent report [43] found that the use of DMSA could improve the learning, attention, and arousal regulation of lead-exposed animals. However, that same paper also found that high-dose administration of DMSA could cause lasting cognitive damage in rats that were not lead exposed, so DMSA should only be used when lead or similar toxic metals are present. Source : One of the research papers linked by Leo under his Chelation video Conclusion : Better spend the 200 bucks and don't skip the urine tests being a rushed cheap-ass. By the way, where do I even get my urine test done here In europe? I'll have to research that. [ . . . ] 1 hour later . . . Basically I found nothing on Spanish Google besides a 75€ only Mercury and Lead test. All the rest of tests are hair, feces, blood or nail tests. I found this UK PRE and POST DMSA test for 300€ +. It is specifically designed for DMSA. It seems to be way too expensive. And probably that doesn't take in account the shipping. I'll keep looking. Bingo! I had the idea to check the ACC FB group for resources. They only link to Hair tests but I picked one of the UK labs, scanned their site for more avaliable tests and in fact they DO urine tests at a reasonable price as well. ( there is a Different test, a little more expensive that provides more information - HERE ) Either of these two tests seems to be the best quality / price yet. Both mention the posibility of using a chelator to compare the excretion of heavy metals by contrast. The second lab also offers a " METHYLATION PLASMA PROFILE " I don't know what it is but I do remember " Methylation "being mentioned quite a lot IN the ACC group and I supose it has something to do with checking your " detox pathways " working properly. I may be absolutely wrong but I'll leave this here as well. EDIT : Good info on "Methylation Pathways"

Ill feed the liver that i bought to my dog. Im sure she'll like it. Honestly ill just look for smth else to eat. Unnecessary risk. Id rather eat high quality poached eggs. Roughly similar nutritional profile and i know how I react to them. Thanks for the replies guys

Reasons I believe I'm toxic AF : First of all, insidious gradual brain fog, trouble focusing for long periods of time, sloppy memory, leaky gut, lack of motivation and laziness & procrastination. Pretty bad sleep quality, dark circles under my eyes, similar nerve numbness on both forearms ( similar to what Leo described) and much more. I have a history of breathing in concrete dust ( near fatal hospitalization at the age of 3 ) , living close to main roads ( air pollution) life long passive smoker ( both parents and lots of friends smoke) . " [...] Smoking cigarettes is another common way cadmium enters our bodies. " Seafood used to be my favorite meat throughout MY WHOLE LIFE ( too bad for me ? ) Teachers , friends and even parents made me drink tap water. Worst of all, for the last 4 years I've been eating at the restaurant I work at just to notice they cook the rice in tap water. And that's what I've been having for EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. That's a killing blow and the beginning of it all.

Where to start? The first thing that comes to mind is : Am I toxic? The intuitive anwser is YES, definitely. So much that I even thought about skipping the first two urine tests to save the 200 ish bucks , BUT (1) : One of the research papers that Leo linked to mentioned that DMSA harmed the mental performance of mice if they did not have any heavy metals in them while Chelating. BUT ( 2 ) in one of Leo's recent posts someone was arguing with him about the validity of urine tests to what he responded that Urine testing is the best what we've got for now. Blood tests are not accurate and there is not much validity to hair test interpretation. And the results are valuable :

I've been reading through Andy Cutler's Heavy metal Chelation Facebook Group (ACC FB group for short) for a few weeks on and off and I've watched Leo's video on Heavy Metal Chelation about 4 times for now I have a basic understanding of chelation. That being said, I have tons of questions and I'm overall confused. I'll be recompiling and answering them one by one below. @Something Funny it seemed funny at the time

Same here. I had covid 4 times but never with a official diagnosis paper, therefore they don't want me to skip any dose. Had my first one the 10th of December and they told me I can get second starting new year. All very vague info though. I thought that by this point id be resistant but damn the vaccine got me whole night sweating in bed with fever. The next morning i was good. Well my hair keeps falling out but thats suposed to go on for some months it seems. ( not vax related)

@Rasheed @Rasheed I've been suffering severe hair loss for 3 months or more. In my case it's covid after effects ( I had it 4 times before getting vaccinated) Its supposed to be temporal though.

*send pic of your fav mouth watering sushi* "Daamn thats HOT" Sunday at 19 is good? Dont be boring with your text game. Be short and precise but combine it with a little playfulness.

@Ingit i take my guy friends shopping clothes no matter the price. We make a photoshoot with the tags still on ( tugged under) and then give everything back. If you take a little responsibility and enjoy the process the you'll develop an eye and discover your style. Or pay a stylist.

Any quick protocols or resources? I do have somewhat dark circles under my eyes no matter how much I sleep and my intuition is telling me no cucumber mask is gonna fix that. Maybe i should do a raw liver face mask. At least I wouldn't waste what I purchased lol.

Today my 300g of liver will arrive. Ill take the risk and see how it makes me feel. I'll cut off 5 years off my life for personal science bois. And it is called " Live-r" If its bad for your health we should call it "deathe-r" What about eating some lamb testicles? I heard they contain bioavailable testosterone and I could use some for mi patchy beard ?

Quick question. Aren't tatoos somewhat toxic? I've heard the body is constantly fighting to detox them. Also red ink may be high in heavy metals. Other than that: Tatoo " This is not a tatoo " Also you may get s semi permanent tat to see how you feel rockin it. Henna

Hmm I've seen that one on a girls shoulder not sure where

@SaltyMeatballs last time i took L-theanine + cofee i ended up cutting grass with a shovel at 8:30 AM, + heart palpitations. I also get them with modafinil. Looks like im sensitive to stimulants. Never heard about chamomile. I guess its some sort of tea?