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some info just in case y'all had the similar question . [...] If you are lucky, you don’t have any amalgam fillings in your mouth. In this case, you can answer the question ofwhether you have mercury (or something else chelatable) quite easily: A therapeutic trial of chelation is the “acid test.” Any reaction, good or bad, to alpha lipoic acid is proof of toxicity with mercury, arsenic or antimony. To check for lead you will need to use DMSA. We suggest ten trial rounds, but be sure to follow the rules for chelating safely when you try this! If you have nothing to chelate, nothing will happen. If you have something to chelate, you will get a reaction. - From The Mercury Detoxification Manual Good news for me . Seems that taking these chelators wouldn't be toxic even if I don't have anything to chelate ( which is unlikely, but it was my worry since I'm not doing the provoked urine test OR the hair test ( for now )

" You can consider yourself done when you can get to 200 or 300 mg of alpha lipoic acid without any Side effects and without any further improvements. At that point, you should continue chelating for another six months just to be sure. From start to finish the process can take between one to five years or more, but much relief occurs along the way. So stop worrying and start chelating!

Lmfao I gave it to my dog. She sniffed it and now it's been laying on the plate for over 3 hours. It was expired for like 5 days though. i expected something more like this : wow, I have a gourmet dog.

I'm looking for a reliable source of vitamin A. I thought about high quality cod liver oil but it's expensive, and the ones that I've seen haven't been tested for heavy metals. I do have access to 100% grass fed grass finished beef?? liver, but as you see in the screenshot I have some concerns and questions. Thoughts?

[,,,] The rules about how to take chelators and the warnings we give you are inflexible. Other parts of the protocol are flexible because they are net well defined scientifically and people really are different. How you decide to take supplements, for instance, is flexible, although some of them need to be taken three or four times a day in order for them to be effective. 50 mg or 100 mg of any chelator is enough to get better. Higher doses may speed things up somewhat, but a lot less than you think. High doses are useful because side effects will let you know where you stand in regards to chelatable toxins.

[...] If you are lucky, you don’t have any amalgam fillings in your mouth. In this case, you can answer the question ofwhether you have mercury (or something else chelatable) quite easily: A therapeutic trial of chelation is the “acid test.” Any reaction, good or bad, to alpha lipoic acid is proof of toxicity with mercury, arsenic or antimony. To check for lead you will need to use DMSA. We suggest ten trial rounds, but be sure to follow the rules for chelating safely when you try this! If you have nothing to chelate, nothing will happen. If you have something to chelate, you will get a reaction.- The Mercury Detoxification Manual Good news for me . Seems that taking these chelators wouldn't be toxic even if I don't have anything to chelate ( which is unlikely, but it was my worry since I'm not doing the provoked urine test OR the hair test )

" Cigarette smoking causes significant cadmium exposure both to the smoker and those around them" - The Mercury Detoxification Manual . Confirmed. Life long passive smoker here . [...] Chelating cadmium is slightly different from chelating other metals. It chelates with DMSA but you need to alkalinize your urine while you are doing it. We encourage you to consult Hair Test Interpretation for more detailed information. Ugh - What ?

cool share, thanks! - ill watch later

I haven't done a test. Should I do a hair test and post it on the ACC group ? I'm still consindering. I have not much to loose besides 130-ish € to be honest. I'm still kind of unsure about the big dmsa dose urine test. About the Core 4 supplements : [...] These should be taken every day, on or off round, and for at least two weeks prior to starting the protocol. Many people report feel better just by starting the core 4! We recommend trialing one supplement at a time, working up to the full doses. Since people can be sensitive to different things, it's easier to determine the culprit and look for an alternative form when introduced in this manner. You will also be able to understand exactly how your body reacts to each supplement. Although you can introduce them in any order, Vitamin C is a good first choice, followed by magnesium. Then Vit E and zinc. " .

Mercury - The Quintessential Anti-Nutrient article 27 PAGE PDF. Insightful read about mercury sources and symptoms. I'll leave it here. - Random comment - I love using a Google extension that reads out loud the text that I select. It helps me with staying focused and understanding what I read. - . . . " Some foods high in free thiols : Legumes, dairy, the cabbage family, eggs " - A few days ago I had very bad night after eating poached eggs right before sleep. Coincidence ? Who knows.

I'm curious if my life-long tinnitus will clear / improve after I'm done with some chelation rounds. Good to know : Chelation coaching exists. In case for some reason I unknowingly fuck up, there is somewhere to turn to, even though it may be somewhat expensive : https://www.maybeitsmercury.com/sign-up-for-coaching https://chelationcoach.as.me/Initial-Consult

@Striving for more hey, long time no see. Just be extra careful since I remember you mentioned having mercury teeth work. Make sure you do the extra step of double checking everything and going slow and steady. That being said, feel free to post and use my journal for info. Hope you're doin well.

ON STARTING DOSES !! G O L D -- " Protocol Abbreviated " " [...] Starting dose depends on the severity of the illness. Those who are seriously sick or frail would start with a LOWER dose. Always start with one chelator and find the appropriate dose for you before adding a second chelator. A general suggestion for adults is to start at doses of 12.5 mg for trial rounds (frail adults start at 6.25 mg or even lower). - - - My smallest DMSA pills are 25mg. I do have the 12.5 ALA ones. Should I buy the smaller version ( DMSA ) ? - To be researched - - - [ . . . ] If side effects are too much then stop the round and trial half that dose in the next round. If there are no side effects at all then the next round trial double the dose. Once you find the dose where side effects are manageable, stick with that dose for several months before increasing. Increases are then generally 50% of the current dose. If you are using 2 chelators (ALA and DMSA or ALA and DMPS) only increase one chelator at a time and adjust to that dose before increasing the dose of the other chelator. When you can chelate at 3 mg/kg doses of ALA without any side effects on or off round and there are no further improvements to your health conditions, chelate for another 6 months and you are done. For DMPS and DMSA there is not much extra to be gained by going above 25 - 50 mg doses ... " - End of quote. About that last statement, Leo's reference paper said that there are SIGNIFICANT improvements in chelation results in a dosage of 30mgxKG than lower ones. So this is basically what i'll be building up to.

I found the old thread. This one is good to remember.

Good notes: " Start on the core 4 supplements for at least 2 weeks before starting chelation. " ➡ Link should work if you've joined ACC FB group. I'll use these links from now as it's really useful for reference. " Chelators are dosed at the half life: " " When DMSA and ALA are used together the dose interval is every 3h or less (with the option of 2 x 4h stretches at night). For example, every 2 hours is fine but every 5 hrs is NOT.) " --- I'd rather just wake up more often and make sure not to screw up anything. So nope to the 2x4 stretches at night . --- " [...] One of the things you can try if you are struggling with chelation is to take the chelators more frequently. It is somewhat common for people to feel a smoother chelation experience when they take ALA every 2 hours, DMSA every 2 or 3 hours, or DMPS every 6 hours. Whether this will help you or not is entirely individual and you will have to try it to find out what works for you. "

Round Lenght Calculator ( From ACC Group ) I'll leave this here. Doesn't seem that useful for now ...? --- I also shot a message to my dentist double checking for the material used for my dental implant. It's titanium and that's fine .

I found the DNA test that Leo recommended - "23andme" . It's a saliva test ( world-wide shipping ) for about 80 USD + shipping . With this you get access to your genes and you can look for certain gene mutations that may hinder heavy metal detox . If you got them, you can asume chelation is for you. That's my understanding for now. - To be further researched - Quote from Leo's video on Chelation : I don't think I'll be doing for that now. Already chunked my budged for this month with almost 400€ on chelation supplies, and thats without the 200€ on urine tests ( I'f I decide to do them )

Today was good. I found out LOTS of practical info. I found out that the UK DMSA provider also has lots of good supplements ( like the Adrenal suplement Andy Cutler recommends ) The adrenal cortex suplement is kind of expensive but I'll try it out anyways. I have never done any adrenal gland testing, and it's suposed to be taxed a lot during heavy metal chelation , so as long as the suplmenet doesn't have any potential negative side effects I'll go for it . Another heavily taxed organ would be the Liver. Some of the most recommended supplements by Andy are " Milk Thistle " and " Artichoke Extract " These are just the brands I picked. Remember I'm a " noob " learning so they may not be the exact dosage but I'm trying to be wise here and follow the recommendations. EDIT : Woops ! turns out the Milk Thistle I bought isn't it. I'll have to send it back. It's missing the " 250-750 mg of silymarin " part. I found a different one that has it . Correct " Milk Thistle Extract " Besides that, I ordered ONE of THE BOOKs. Now I feel I'll have some more guidance besides asking random forum members and scrolling through the facebook group ?. Just about 25 € , totally worth. I also purchased the following : Two DMSA x100MG ( 50 capsules each ) Two DMSA x50MG ( 90 capsules each ) One DMSA x25MG ( 90 capsules ) ( I',m thinking about starting with one 25MG pill every 3 hours for the rounds - to be researched more- ) One ALA x 12'5MG ( 90 capsules ) --- I just purchased this kind of randomly . I don't know if that's a safe starting dose but I think I read somewhere that it would be okay. Worst case scenario I'll just order a lower dosage ALA. But you gotta start somewhere and intuition was telling me this could do the job. Adrenal Cortex ( already mentioned before ) And lastly, " Zinc Picolinate x50MG ( 120pills ) - thats not the brand Leo uses but it is the same dosage. I then ordered " The Big 4 " from Amazon, which are supplements that help to protect, cope and negate the negative side effects of chelating. That is: Vitamin C ( Exact Leo's brand ), - - - EDIT : Since Leo takes one 500 MG pill every 3 hour chunk of the chelation round, and ACC recommends that you take all of these supplements both ON and OFF round, I'll also purchase this same Vitamin C supplement but in a higher 1000MG dose, since ACC recommends only 4 doses , 4000 - 8000 MG per day in total. I'll be doing the 500MG every 3 hour ON round ( as Leo shows ) and the " just 4 doses a day " with the big pills , as ACC recommends. I don't think this is a big of a deal, but I just felt like it may be better this way. Magnesium Citrate - Not the same, but seems to be decent enough -. I already regularely take Magnesium Glycinate ( used by Leo ) and I know I tolerate it well ( under 300MG, otherwise I get mild stomach cramps and possibly diharrea ). I hope Magnesium Citrate is not " magnesium Shitrate " for me as some people have reported lol ) Vitamin E ( Exact Leo's brand ) Zinc Picolinate - that I purchased off Mandimart - since the one Leo showed isn't to be found in EU, or I just haven't found it. Also I purchased the Pill box - it's 31 slots since it's designed to be pill box for a whole month, but It seems to be perfect for chelation. Rather than purchasing four one week boxes, I can fill all the doses in this one " one month " container . ( 8 doses per day, per 4 days = 32 . I take the first dose by hand and all the rest are set in the box. I plan to be doing 4 day rounds ( and at least 4 day off ) so if the individual containers are big enough to fit in all the pills, this would be ideal. Andy recommends that I'f you feel well ON round, stretch it one day further each time, as Longer rounds are BENEFICIAL if you can handle them well. Don't forget to rest an equal ammount too .

I posted this few months ago: I was thinking about possible sources that may have intoxicated me with heavy metals throughout my life, and I came up with : Tap water: Cooking, cleaning dishes, showering, rinsing mouth after brushing teeth, even making coffee and I remember my teachers at school telling me to drink tap water. food: Low quality vegetables, fruits and meat possibly poluted and grown in low quality soil that use the crappiest " water " possible. Meat soup where the bones leak the accumulated heavy metals. Lot's of fish and seafood. Mostly fed tuna by my parents and I allways loved shellfish ( f*ck me ) Hygiene products : mostly deodorant ( aluminum ) Cookware : I remember keeping the trashiest most scratched teflon coated pans for so long. Same with teflon coated sandwich grills, and teflon coated rice cookers. I'm concerned that even though I only use the rice cooker to steam food, it still may leak teflon. And now the biggest one and the one that made me create this post : Traffic. For as long as I can remember, I've allways lived no further than 200 metres from a big road with 24/7 traffic. Sometimes even closer than that, for years and years . It just hit me today as I was going to the gym that the " fresh air " that I'm getting on my nice morning walk is not fresh at all , but possibly poluted with all kinds of heavy metals like lead and other poisonous gases.

Finish 5 - 10 only DMSA rounds and then start progressively adding ALA. That's the recommended plan for now.

We got an anwser bois:

@Leo Gura Leo's Demo on his DMSA dose The formula you gave for DMSA is 30MG x Your bodyweight in KG -per day - divided in 8 doses ( one every 3 hours ) for 72 hours. You mentioned that you weight about 170 Pounds ( 77KG) So for you it would be 30 x 77 = 2.310 MG per day. Divided in 8 doses it would be 288 MG every 3 hours. Yet in the clip I linked you say you just take 200 MG every 3 hours. (" only " 1600 MG per day ) Is there a reason for it besides not having to buy different dosage pills? Would you say that 200 MG DMSA every 3 hours is enough for most people around 65-80 KG ? ( 140 - 180 pounds ) Also I'd like to ask if you think it's wise to start with that 30mg x KG formula or would it be " safer " to start with something more light ? Obviously none of this would be medical advide and we take 100% responsability for whatever harm we may inflict to ourselves. I'll be doing lots of research on the topic for some time and it would be cool to have some more perspective. I plan to start with just DMSA for a month or two and then gradually get some progressive doses of ALA. IDK if this would be " safer " or unnecesary slowing me down. Big thanks .

Next step? ... I'm toxic? Guess so ✅ What to do about it? ➡ DMSA, ALA. Do ACC Detox protocol or Leo's guidelines. Where to buy chelators ? ➡ Here ... Next step would be researching how much to start with so that I know what dosages to buy. I'll check if the Urine test I chose has any guidelines. Otherwise I assume it would be 30mg x my bodyweight in KG - per day - ( in eight equal doses spaced out every 3 hours ) during three days and collect the urine twice as explained in Leo's video. once before taking DMSA and once after the first dose. [...] Some time later [...] It seems that there are clear instructions for how to perform both of the urine tests, PRE DMSA and POST DMSA. But no dosages. ACC FB group does not stand for Urine provoked tests therefore I assume there is not much information I can gather from there ( I'll check anyways ) Looks that for now, the dosages are as we explained above and then move into a 3 day ACC protocol. I just feel that may be a little too harsh ? I'll ask on the forum why was Leo taking 200MG of DMSA instead of that 280 MG he was suposed to be taking ( as the proper result of applying the formula )

Sourcing : DMSA ( Dimercaptosuccinic acid) . This is the one Leo recommends in his video. It's from Livingsupplements.com and it's also the site that ACC FB group links to. It's shipped from south africa ( cheers from Omicron lol ) UK provider. ( more expensive ) The one from Livingsupplements.com is the cheapest around and they deliver world-wide. If you order 4+ you get a discount and the price is basically 25€ per 45x100mg pill bottle. Downside : shipping is 4-8 weeks. Quality is assured though. You can also grab ALA ( Alpha Lipoic Acid ) from there or any other website that sells your desired dose, even AMAZON! but IDK about the dose I need to choose yet. I think about starting with DMSA only at first and after a month or more start slowly implementing ALA. ( ALA also chelates heavy metals from your brain , DMSA doesn't ) If you are in Europe and want a faster shipping and dont mind paying more then Leo also labeled this DMSA as " seems decent enough " ?‍♂️ These are all 100MG per pill. If for any reason you're going to grab a different ammount then just scroll through the website. The formula Leo gave was 30mg x bodyweight in KG - PER DAY - DIVIDED IN 8 DOSES, because you take a dose of the chelator every 3 hours ( there are 8 chunks of 3 hours in a day, aka 24 hour period ) Is that dangerous? People on ACC FB group recommend all sorts of doses, most of them way, WAY lower. But, It's backed up by this paper that Leo linked to. A good excerp : " [...] It has been demonstrated that DMSA 30 mg/kg/day is significantly more effective than either 10 or 20 mg/kg/day both in terms of enhancing lead excretion and reducing blood lead concentrations. 21 The same study also showed that the typical rebound increase in blood lead concentration after DMSA therapy is largely complete within 1 week of the last dose. For these reasons, DMSA 30 mg/kg/day was administered to our patients and a break of at least 1 week was interposed between each course to allow time for redistribution of lead from bone to soft tissues and blood. " For me that would mean 30 x 65 ( my bodyweight in KG ) = 1950 MG / day. We divide that by 8 because you are suposed to take a dose of DMSA or DMSA + ALA every 3 hours during your 72 hour round to avoid redistribution of heavy metals before they are excreted and therefore unnecesary damage. That would be 243,75 MG of DMSA every 3 hours for me, even during the night . BUT leo's weight is 77 KG and his dose is 2.310 per day ( 288,75 every 3 hours ) but in his demo he only takes 200 MG per day ( not sure the reason for this. Most likely the unwillingness to purchase different dosage pills, or the dose being " high enough already " Good info from ACC Group : " [...] If you feel better ON round, try to extend your rounds an extra day each time. Take 3 days off round minimum. Taking as much time off as on is recommended. "

What's the next step? I have claimed to be toxic ( by intuition ). I have choosen ( to do soon ) an urine test from all the tests ( hair / blood / urine . . . ) ACC recommends a hair test but there is little value to it as spoken about before : The most valuable info here is the " To make the urine test safer you can do the test and then go immediately into a 3 day Cutler detox cycle. This way any metals your test dose stirred up are detoxed. That is my preferred way. " He said he forgot to mention his in his video and it's quite crucial, so take care.