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If the egg only consists out of consciousness, it would exist only upon consciousness. Meaning; it (consciousness) would exist upon itself (consciousness). If the egg only consists out of matter, it would exist only upon matter. Meaning; it(matter) would exist upon itself (matter). You can insert any name you want here; absolute infinity, etc. Depending on how you call it.

Sorry, if I have offended you.

What is the difference?

Indeed it is of dependent origin. Congratulations you have completed the experiment! Thank you! I will now provide you with the full implications of this dependent origin. If the egg would only consist out of matter, or consciousness, or absolute infinity, it would exist upon itself. Because then it is not dependent upon something else to be perceived. If it (consciousness) exists upon itself (appearances), you can perceive or give meaning to it (consciousness) through itself (appearances). But the egg (it) is dependent on appearances of matter and gravity to be perceived. With experiencing the appearance of matter you are also experiencing the appearance of gravity. So it's existence is of dependent origin. As your consciousness of the egg is also dependent upon appearances of matter and gravity, as you need hands and eyes, etc. to perceive the egg, and you need a certain distance from the egg to see it, there is nothing actually being perceived. For what is being perceived, is being perceived through it. It came mutually dependent into existence. Therefore it (consciousness) doesn't need to experience itself (appearances, universe, reality), as it (consciousness) knows that itself (appearances) came into existence through it (consciousness). Your ego (self and itself) is completely dissolved. Nirvana

Okay let me try to rephrase that; Does the appearance of the egg, in your hand, in your consciousness depend on other appearances or does it exist on itself? Let me give a hint; does it need the appearances of matter and gravity?

Well as there apparently is gravity, this means that the egg and your sense organs and your body not only consist out of matter but also out of gravity. *Of course in consciousness. Now back to the question which is it was all about; does the egg exist upon itself? And why?

Ah there we have it! Gravity! Would the egg, which you hold in your hand, be there to see, feel, taste, hear, smell if there was no gravity? Would your sense organs and your body be there, if there was no gravity? *All appearances in consciousness, made out of consciousness of course.

For us to go forward I would like to ask you to only give answers, as specific as possible, to my questions. Not add anything to it. Else we will continuously drift off. I am thankful for you to go through this experiment as I can assume that is not easy. You will get something out of it in the end though. The feeling of the egg is in your hand right? As an appearance of consciousness, made out of consciousness. The skin through which you are able to feel is also made out of matter, just as the egg is made of matter, right? Again, also as an appearance of consciousness, made out of consciousness. The egg falls to the carpet right? How does it happen that it falls to that, what attracts the egg? Again, also an appearance of consciousness, made out of consciousness.

Okay, but the feeling is in the senses right? Which are appearances in consciousness, made out of consciousness. Are the sensing organs also made out of matter? Again as appearances in consciousness, made out of consciousness. How does it happen that the egg falls? What makes the egg fall? Yeah so we are aware of experiences.

Now we are getting somewhere! Do you feel the egg in your mind or do you feel the egg in your hand? Do you taste the egg on your tongue or in your mind? Do you smell the egg in your nose or in your mind? Where is the feeling? Is the egg only made out of matter? I am not referring to a soul here. What happens if you relax your fingers when you're holding the egg? Is knowledge the same as consciousness/ experience? Or is knowledge derived from consciousness/ experience?

There are way to many lost children here. Also this takes up way too much time and I will not invest much more as it is very inefficient. Can't save em all.

Dude... you are asking me the question, therefore it is a necessity for me to know what you mean. I notice you are asking a lot of why and meaning questions, these questions come from your desire to give meaning what you experience. From your ego to your ego. I can advice you to read http://www.foundationsofhumanlife.com . Read it all, reflect upon it all based upon your own experiences. Read it again, reflect upon it again. Read it again, reflect again. Then I will answer your questions again This experiment is focused on what happens because of what. So here I can not help you with your existential questions, they are off-topic.

Dude, there is no IF. That is you doubting the things you experience. That is a bottomless pit. Do you have an alternative?

What do you mean when you use the word I?

Where did I say that I believe I am the body? @abrakamowse how do you get an egg?

Lol thanks, this is getting harder then I thought it would be.

I can't lay the egg. The chicken can.

Ah thanks, so rational thinking and relativism are not mutually exclusive. One can think rational and also put it in perspective. I think he is just only being rational to make his point.

But does god exist upon itself?

Well there are thoughts coming into my consciousness, to make sense of these thoughts I have to put them in a logical order. By doing so I am able to think logically and make sense of my thinking. I figured out by observing and analyzing my thoughts that they are just a way for me to give meaning to what I experience. For me the question makes sense, but I don't know if it does for someone else. Therefore I posted it on this forum. How do you experience your thoughts? Does the question makes sense for you?

Lol

Well we are talking here, based upon arguments, and arguments are often based on logic. But this al just creating a duality in trying to give meaning to what you experience. An experience exists, or do you not experience anything?

For something to exist it had to be created.

What do you mean with relative thinking?

I think, therefore I am the truth