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Any self actualizers in Athens, Greece out there ? It would be fruitful to gather a group and start hosting conversation gatherings or just meet and hang out

@Markus Yeah obviously, but I'm asking from a Turqoise point of view. Is there anything inherently wrong in suiciding or killing others? Because I really can't find anything

Would you agree that a Zen Master is extremely unlikely to have a bad trip ? In the sense that a true Zen Master would not project a negative connotation to any experience and would therefore surf on any possible experience and enjoy it for what it is without having any investments as to how he or she likes it to unfold.

Good point. I was definitely talking about people that are deeply into Turqoise

Definitely! Nice to meet you

I don't understand what you mean... Because they have a much different psychology and a much different way of seeing life. Wouldn't you expect that psychedelics work way differently on a depressed and shy person than on a hyperactive social extrovert? In the same sense I believe they work much differently on a zen master than on the average Joe.

Agreed but what does that have to do with the question? I'm asking something practical.

Too much physical comfort might put you to sleep.

Make a video about what exactly is schizophrenia. Disease? Receptors for strange phenomena? Reality hopping in a society that is very much looking down to that? Psychedelic-like consciousness without psychedelics?

I know this might sound like I'm trolling or it might sound like something completely out if the box and counter-intuitive but this is a serious question. Can SSRI medication promote the process of enlightenment? The main effect of SSRIs is that they promote a general state of consciousness that is thoughtless. They make the individual more impulsive and more grounded to the present time and space situation that they are in, also promoting instinctual decision making and dispowering mechanisms of compulsive thinking. While not being able to use as a tool for destroying someone's ego like psychedelics can, they can be used to promote a consciousness frequency of no mind which to my perception looks like very helpful towards the process of meditation which with the proper mental maps and (abscence of) ideologies leads to enlightenment. Let me know what you think.

Here is how I see things, the following is a very usual scenario that keeps happening in my life. I keep meeting people that have like 10 strong psychedelic trips under their belt and they have not developed spiritually at all. Psychedelics do not offer enlightenment in general, they offer enlightenment to very specificly tuned types of consciousness. If you're familiar with spiral dynamics, the pattern that I have come to observe in most of the people around me is that psychedelics are a very strong catalyst for people who are deep into yellow and want to move on to turquoise. But if taken by people that are consciously lower on the spiral the effect is usually not enlightening at all and can in fact very well send a lot of people back many steps. I'm not against psychedelics in any way, I just believe that you have to have reached a high spiritual level already in order for them to work optimally. Obviously the average person in this forum is much more spiritually developed than the average person on the street but way too often, especially in the last two years, have I come to meet someone that's party tripping all the time and has not developed spiritually even if he's "trippin ballz" every weekend with his friends. And I'm not talking about micros either. Moreover, within thr last couple years, I've met more than a dozen people, from different countries, that have somehow been fucked big time after a strong psychedelic experience. I'd say 75-80% of them are from acid. It took more than a year for some of them to recover, some of them developed PTSD from specific ideological objects in the trip and some of them have not recovered at all. Developing a psychological problem or triggering a psychological problem that you were predisposed to is definitely going to interfere with your path to enlightenment in a bad way and is going to at least delay your enlightenment and development process for at least some months. Of course there are people that have been helped by the psychedelic experience even if they were not yellow on the spiral at the time. But what I'm saying is, if you've decided to take psychedelics, I would recommend reaching stage yellow first and then take them to elevate to turquoise, and this is when they truly shine and they are much less likely to cause problems. And if researching and contemplating on which psychedelic to try, I would also definitely advise against acid as a choice.