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Something happening/Something being/something is both a mental knowing and a part of the Self. What did you just describe to me if nothing is LITERALLY happening. Nothing happening is a void in which NOTHING is happening zero, abscense, but since Self is ALL, there is no abscense, there is no LITERAL nothing.

So then non-experience is a type/sub set of experience? Because right now the use of non-experience is like saying a dog speaks spanish.

@winterknight Also when I use the word knowledge/understanding Im referring to a knowing. Like if asked you is something happening, it would be obvious that something is happening. You may call this something, Self, and I would agree, or not, but either way there is knowing of some sort that something is happening.

Hmm we may have to leave it at that, because to me that sounds like one of the many infinite varieties/vantage points of Self that are always taking place, one being you and one being me (which are not different and yet are). What ever your point to though sounds nice, but again how can the noticing of something/or acknowledgement of something that you obviously describee as continuous with no pause, yet isn't an experience. Are we in semantic criss cross? My definition of experience is fairly straightforward here. If its noticed, its experience, if its dust mite biting you behind your ear, but you dont notice it, its not experienced. Its taking place, but its not your experience. So what are you saying?

Well technically there are no seekers that are not breathing or have no heartbeat. ok so what your saying is, understanding and knowledge that remain, not a tactile experience of oneness, expansion, or void/emptiness (these come and go). Because for so long in the past I and I think many current seekers believe that the later is what is to be found and cultivated through practice and is held onto as attainments thinking that this is what it means to wake up and by holding or creating more of these they are more enlightened. I'd have to go over Ramana and advita again, but was this what they were always trying to point to?

There are many things that don't come and go, one being experiencing itself, another is heartbeat, another is breath (speaking from the point of view of the un-awakened Self). But experiencing itself is not ultimate truth, its not the self knowledge of Self. Neither is the heartbeat or the breath. Again it seems like your trying to point to something that is experienced after a certain point called enlightenment, even though from my experience, experiences leads to awakening, but after that there isn't anything there that continues to prove ultimate truth is happening, other then one just knows who they are.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by true "I" becomes obvious? It sounds like your referring to a phenomenon/experience is arising in consciousness. From my experience, a unshakable conviction and self knowledge, not a phenomenon of sight/experience that convinces is what took place, almost like Self memory returned, memories of before being, seeing before born and then a remembrance like I just found some keys I had forgotten I placed somewhere and now found, remain.

No, poof, Mikael remembers who Mikael is, like find keys you forgot you lost. Mikael embrasses his limited history with tremendous love, understands the present moment and is not afraid of the future. Born and unborn, knowing all as Self and self as Self. Laughing at the hilarity of it all, while not brushing any of it off as unimportant.

Paul Hedderman teaches in the Bay Area pretty much every week. Look him up, he's legit, non-dual teacher. funny as shit sometimes, has a guy at the bar vibe and has a fresh+old school take on things.

More importantly whats aware of this I?

Can you elaborate on your enlightenment experiences, like you were going to teach me something. Really from your heart, not from a book or a translation of what you thought it meant, just what really touched you. That way I can get a sense of what you deeply know or have touched upon.

Ummm, this isn't really my strong suit. Id just start looking for books and male female dynamics in regards to relationships and even ex-relationship dynamics. Sorry wish I could help more. Its honestly a rather muddy, hard to understand terrain, since both parties are hiding their true feelings, or one is and the other is not and as a result, one person appears to the other as making no sense. One shows no interest, then when you leave them alone, they come back wanting more then they said they wanted relationship wise, because one is shy, doesn't want to get hurt, wants to hurt the other, but then realizes they don't so they stop and act nice, the list goes on and on......

Do you need to know if your enlightened? No one can tell you. I think its more important to focus on what you want. What do you still want to improve in yourself? How would you like to help others specifically and how can you act on that in a step by step fashion? Pursue your desires in this manner. Sometimes the less you know about spirit and enlightenment the better, just follow what you want and stay faithful to your heart. If you find yourself in genuine confusion and need of guidance, then find that, otherwise if what you say is true, your doing just fine.

I mean if thats its your experience congratulations. Put the coat on the coat rack and call it a life. I congratulate you. Continue being you in the world and uplift others. -Are you just curious about what is enlightenment? -Are you craving more understanding, is there a yearning inside you to keep discovering you can't put your finger on? But to answer your question, some might agree that what you describe is Enlightenment, others may not. In the end its just a word. All is god. The end.

I can only speak from my experience. But if your looking for something to happen (Self-Realization) that can't stand the test of objectified scrutinization, you'll miss it. I've been really trying to answer the very specific nature of your question for a little while now, because I think it holds the key to more people waking up. The best analogy I can put it in, is, you just remember something you forgot, like oh ya I put my keys over there. Prior you had no knowledge of where the keys were, and then boom, oh ya they are right here.... but like many other awakened teachers have commented on in the past, breaking down your ego through spiritual practice increases the chances to have the remembrance.

Thats spot on. I've said it before, but its very clean in the way you worded it.

From the absolute sense, there is no objects. Just itself. So the question is really just Self happening/being (still just experiential meaning metaphors), not the language and experience of what is falsely being pointed to

Thats amazing dude. Haha I love rap. You got skills man.

Would you say these are reoccurring events that bring the same result or similar suffering? Are you tired of it? Maybe its time to look at this and make some new choices to become less selfish, gain a little more self control and stop taking things for granted. Just be real man, do you want to repeat this pattern? If so do something, if not accept it and move on.

Sounds like my frustrations sometimes, with god being, suffering. Your human man.....

Ya thats an interesting phenomenon that can happen with this practice. You can also while being present and aware of negative sensations in your body, visualize/intend for them to shift/dissipate/move and have them shift this way as well. I'm a bodyworker by trade and some of the work I do with people works with these principles. Feel free to ask me anything else in this regards.

Hi Christer, I've been there man, oh have I been there, its a pretty stark flat, sad, confusing, frustrating place to be at times and yet at other times paradoxically so freeing, amazing, makes perfect sense, is the answer to life...... Lets see. So far Serotoninluv has given you a great perspective on this. Let me see if I can hit this from a few different angles. For starters is this all meaningless? Is there really no inherent meaning? If your not CERTAIN, or if there is a possible .00000000000001% chance that it could be something other, why not leave that possibility open and let go of your conviction, wouldn't that be a little weight of your shoulders? Also IS IT TRUE that by definition that if you see it, its not real? I mean do you KNOW this, is it certain, or did perhaps you read about this and accept this idea at one point in time? I can tell you from my experience there is a paradox that does not fit in normal train of understanding. While yes all is illusion, all is very very real, very very real. What would it mean to you to let that in a little? Hope some of that resonates with you and opens up new avenues. It sounds like your going through very normal spiritual growth, so stay steady and find time to just go out and laugh a little. Life is short here on earth, don't get to wrapped up in anything, even meaning, meaninglessness or spiritual work.

Sometimes it can be helpful and more relieving to just accept lifes not fair and some people are going to be happier, more at ease, healthier, faster, stronger, wealthier and just to accept it and stop complaining about it, full stop. This will probably challenge you for a bit, but in the end you can hopefull just smile about what others have that you dont and carry on. watch this video, it may change your life....

Thanks for your honesty Mujtaba, I can see your loneliness and understand your confusion and question. Your lonely man, plain and simple, nothing needs to be zenned to overcome. It is what it is man, and its ok. If I were in your shoes I'd put some energy into looking into avenues where you can potentially meet people with your interests. Perhaps meetup.com has groups that meditate if thats what your into, or painting, or what ever it is that you like. Also it may be healthy to challenge your shyness a little at a time. Most everyone has a feeling of shyness and potential embarrassment that comes up around new people. Remember that and dont let it be a barrier to breaking the ice and saying something. What kind of spiritual practices have you done and what truths/understandings of matured out of that? Sharing that may help me help you translate that into your life in a simple down to earth way. Also if your looking for a friend, you can consider me one, even if I'm just here on the forum, feel free to ask me anything. good night man.

Lol, thats amazing. Is that you rapping?