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@tatsumaru Oh ya I have, but why not also try entertaining the idea that there's not, no joke, try it.

Very wise, however don't get lost in "your beliefs" of what others intentions are, or lost in the ideas and labels of your own. Like I said, its all the same in the end and even now. What you perceive as wrong framing and idea's in others, while believing your correct framing is actually just a mental game, they are all idea's in the end, and even now. When you see this, you will have a great laugh.

@tatsumaru Also the notion that there are 6 sense is still belief, its not direct experience and that the black hole experience you speak of is just metaphorically so, words right, to empty ones mind is to let go of the concepts of experience, including labels of so called 6 sense and beliefs about them and the knower of them. Also If eternal mind is empty then now is empty mind..... hmmm

@tatsumaru Also don't narrow down Love/Bliss/Ecstacy to human emotion sense categories. This would be a mistake so to say

@tatsumaru What your calling wholeness is the same as what Leo is referring to as Oneness, so in that sense your debating semantics. There's still a lot you don't understand and I think shin may be pointing some of that. Love/Bliss/Ecstacy of its own accord may be one of those things which you have not awakened much or at all to. The emptying of mind is to see the lack of opposites, its just another way of understanding such. There are perhaps infinite paths to understanding this stuff so to say, don't get to caught up in your lineage. It may even be wise to be open minded, drop what you've learned and take a dive into other "paths", experiment, it could be just what you need to round out awakening.

To live a life so to say. Why else did you come into a body.

@Zion I think this is fundamentally the wrong way to look at and approach this notion. For starters it almost sounds like you’ve read about a map point or a what do that leads to something called waking up. And your using this imaginary map point to the figure out how you can make it happen more or faster. You see desire isn’t an issue, certain ones will always remain so to say, they just may no longer be issues or cause issues to you or others negatively. However yes, sometimes it is desire and it’s suffering that leads one to look into desire and it’s usefulness, but this is a organic thing. and with this sometimes the mechanism of identity is revealed as well and it’s sometimes thorniness in living.

Careful not to get caught up In imaginary questions. Like are you lacking hunger, are you lacking fame, are you lacking thirst, are you lacking someone else, are you lacking living, are you lacking love.

Are they any different.

What is the meaning of life.

What is the meaning of this sentence.

I know. A lot of this doesn’t make sense. Especially confusing when no around you understands you. It’s ok, don’t blame them, no ones fault really, not a good use of our energy right

Hi. Hello. Can you hear me. What do I sound like in your head. Hello. Do you hear me. Magic isn’t it. You can hear me.

How long was your day. 300 meters? 14 conversations? 3 shits, 1 egg McMuffin, and painful conversation at work? Was it warm or cold or a bit of I’m not sure. Do you remember it all, the steps walked, the conversational thoughts inside, how many times you breathed. What exactly do you remember? All of it...surely not. Half of it.... unlikely. 1/100th.... maybe you can’t know how much or what you forgot. Hmmmm so maybe you or I don’t know so much about who we are and everyone else.

Worth at least watching the first minute. Says a lot to dispel a number of traps the mind gets into on "the path".

Is Top on the other end of Bottom, In on the other side of Out, Now before Later or slightly After Before.

More prepared you’v become for these next ones. Wont be fooled this time. Looking intently.

Do you notice your heart beat as you read this. Did you try to find it just now. Was it missing.

@Girzo ya maybe it’s not for you. So where do you feel like things are at for you out of curiosity. You gave a interesting response to javfly33. Also If you’ve done cold showers growing up of course it will be normal. My advice was more about doing something to push into uncomfortability with an intent just to observe and appreciate the sensations themselves. Perhaps the mystery and miracle and even what the fuck, this sucks of them, hahaha. But to still go forward anyways. Also, sometimes just going into society again if you’ve become kinda detached or hermitic and observing what comes up without judgment is another good thing in a in between phase. It’s sometimes easy to make society and what goes on collectively and individually a new problem.

@Arzola @kieranperez it’s good to be careful who you trust and put your faith in. However if it rings true and comes from a killers mouth, it still may be valuable. Plus no one here knows if he’s a cult leader or not. It’s just stories. Just like many think Leo is a cult leader but he doesn’t appear to be from our experience most likely.

@Javfly33 you may want to start a practice of appreciating and embrassing suffering and imperfection. Become cozy with not being where you want to be. Become cozy with the ego mind blah blah blahing. Become cozy with soreness and bodily discomfort to some degree and stretch that little by little without injuring your body. Ei take cold showers few times a week. Really be still and cozy with fear and agitation and anger. Appreciate it like a scientist and get cozy with it like a pillow. But don’t become addicted to this practice. Joy and pleasure is a good balance since this practice has a potential toll if done with force pride and angerly hard nosing it. Also read a little about stoicism. And let in some of their mindset these all seemed to help in some way during the phase of life you decribed while i was in it @Girzo

@Kalo can you tell me about your drug dealers vagina.

@tatsumaru honestly we’re you hoping to become a Jedi master also so your friend sounds wise. It’s an interesting experience and experiment to try and not pay attention or believe ones senses. Try for a while on and off in a safe place. Something may appear where you didn’t know something could appear.

@tatsumaru your awake in my eyes and missing nothing. Trust your instinct about enlightenment. It’s just in your imagination. And there’s not one to find. Even if hypothetically there was you would have no idea what your looking for, and no teacher agrees on how to find this undefined thing. I know you don’t like to hear it, but this IS it. And no I don’t mean IT is everything or no-thing or infinity or God. This doesn’t mean more wisdom and understanding may not still occur, it may but you can’t make that happen. Btw knowledge and understanding how something works is overrated, and rarely is enjoyed longer then a few days. Same with being right or wrong. Also I don’t know if this helps but it’s okay for other teachers to supposedly know more or stuff that doesn’t make sense or is unfeasible, no need to waste energy and perhaps feel incomplete on longing or rejecting what they say.

@tatsumaru great. In a sense you are not missing anything but since you want to understand more I’ll continue poking. Honestly, how do you know your not enlightened and what is it in you that knows this is this knower or knowing sense always kinda there Or does it come and go