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@PetarKa I get that you want to help Leo spread his content but hear me out on this, I tried telling people who I thought were at the right place to hear this, but the succes rate was probably like 5 % and the complete failure rate (people thought that I am a weirdo) was like 4 times higher... Therefore I think, that you can probably tell someone about it, but only to very rare people, who are OBVIOUSLY interested or are at least solid stage green. (this is a good indicator for me, don't mistake compassionate people for green people, it's easy, but it doesn't work so well) I like Shin's approach the most Just live a good life, that's the best thing you can do.

Yes, I cannot visit more than about 2 threads at a time, because if I do so, the server is unapproachable for me... Sometimes I cannot even access it.

Guys, do you have any strategies to be consistent in the long term with your nofap? Do you just become able to control yourself after some time? My record is like less than 3 weeks and I think that I can go further than that My results are through the roof even with this little practice.

While reading this, don't think that you got it all clear, contemplate about it, write your actual thoughts down and go to the real core of your psyche, don't fall into your own trap

I got into a „serious“ relationship when I was 13, I thought it would last forever and I cried in front of the whole class when it ended after 2 months, I even lost a bet with my friend, that it would last at least 10 years. I was fucking stupid This was 2 years ago and without it, I would've been lost completely in my life, there would be next to no suffering, as it was all going well till then and I would have absolutely no motivation to grow, because I had this massive ideology about everything. I think that it is one of the best things you can hurt yourself with Using a journal to contemplate is also a VERY effective thing to do, don't underestimate it. If you actually write down your thoughts HONESTLY, you will learn so much about yourself. Sometimes your mind is so slippery, that it wouldn't allow you to see some aspects of it, unless you make them substantial.

@Conceptually-made Ty thinks, that if Leo says something, all of his audience is gonna do it immediately that day, that's wrong. Some things you gotta learn yourself, Leo cannot just give you everything you need, did you forget that you need to do the work inside? TJ forgets to mention some important things as well, no one is perfect at teaching. Some of his insights are legit and he is a REALLY good motivator, but the way he does thinks stinks. You need to take these teachers with a little bit of salt, both TJ and Leo, question them, do the practices, but stay detached, going into this ego-driven climb the hill kind of life, that TJ is proposing is a downgrade from detachment.

@Ampresus Agreed. You probably have more knowledge than your classmates, but please, stay humble and don't judge them, it is VERY easy to create a whole identity from all this development and turn it into an actual degradation. Focus on presence and breath It's not only about how many productive habits you can fit into 24 hours, do things mindfully, enjoy life, be grateful, this stuff often gets forgotten on the way.

@Conceptually-made He gives quite a big emphasis on ideology, but pure theory just is not enough, those people have to learn it by direct experience most of the time

@Conceptually-made Do you feel good, when parts of you are dying? Do you feel good when you are learning something new about yourself?

@Joseph Maynor I think that he fits Leo's definition quite precisely + many people on this forum are getting converted and self-decepted by his teachings, I think that it is important to learn about what he is doing and point out all the red flags.

@Enizeo It's ok that you don't know Some of his advice is legit, but here's some stuff that I learnt about him: He has a huge ego, tells so many lies about the world, for example that he has Leo's personality test score, is reffering to some questionable studies and researches, he is a zen devil, throws people into his own social media type of thing, is all about climbing to the top, offers free coaching for young people (this could either be that he thinks, that they are easy to manipulate, or he is just trying to help them in his own way), he is just too nice to everyone (I may be paranoid, but he is just simply too nice, it's suspicious), is offering you to join his company, he monopolizes the „Truth“, is often talking about bending the rules and being ruthless, talked about the apocalypse and it seemed quite bizzare, tells everyone that he is saving the world with his all star dream team... You probably see where I'm going with this. I honestly think, that he doesn't currently have a cult, but his behavior and personality are very likely to drive him into that territory. He has some great insights and is a good motivator, it's really the extremity of it all and the way he is going about things. People like him, who are very very intelligent and know things, that other people don't, can easily build their identity about it and start manipulating people and even though their intentions might have been pure at the beginning, it can turn into any sort of bullshit. Even I have done a similar thing in the past, but I realized it after like a week and trust me, you won't even notice it, when you are doing it, if you aren't conscious enough, ignorance and self-deception is fucking powerful

@ShugendoRa You cannot fit absolutely everything on the spiral, this can happen literally at any stage, be careful not to get self-decepted into judging things and over-thinking the model, it happens to people way too often.

I only disagree with you on the point that he ticks basically none of the boxes Leo mentioned, he actually ticks many of them. Don't you think that we can learn something from this?

Do you exercise? I have the same problem, because I am not tired enough in the evening, perhaps you just need to work more...

Enlightened people are quite charismatic in my opinion

@Wyze I was lucky to get awesome teachers and friends in my early childhood, they have always encouraged me to be creative and original, I could do almost anything I want (in art lessons mostly). Now when I am in high school with different teachers, I can see that they are too strict and it's no good. I think that this approach of teachers can develop your red - you become able to bend rules without breaking them and actually making the result better.

How is the path different for men and women?

I was judging all the people like aurum for recklessly socializing with women, it looked like a hilarious idea in my head. But then, everyone was kind of talking about it, so I was wondering what is wrong with me Yesterday, I was in the middleof a square and I met my female friend with her friends, so I just went and chatted them up. It was awesome, we never met, but I could enjoy their presence and if there was a blockage inside me, I would get an immediate response about it, there was no other way, but to overcome it, I felt free I didn't fall in love or anything, I just liked the way, they are, non-judgementally. That's why I think, that socializing, especially with the opposite sex, is very important for growth. It seems like some ridiculously stupid thing, that only orange people do, but you need to push that idea aside and go for it, it will be worth your time You don't need to manipulate them or end up sleeping with them, you don't have to make stupid jokes about your penis size, just flow through the conversation.

You can understand the lesson by hitting your siblings and getting yelled at by your dad afterwards, legalization of aggression is too much Martial artist though seem like awesome people to me at least, they are way better balanced than most people in my opinion. So Jesus is the perfect example of well developed red?

@CreamCat You need to face your problems directly, stop trying to run away... Solo retreats are awesome, but your attitude is not. Nobody is telling you to marry I guess?

@CreamCat It is so obvious why so many marriages end up divorced, people are just so unconscious. I am not saying that marriage is the best thing that can happen to you, I am not married, but if you cannot take responsibility for your actions or you are scared to do so, it will cause you many problems. Of course marriage is the greatest cause of divorce, you cannot even get divorced if you don't marry It's like saying that the greatest cause of death is life. Good marriage is only for developed people, but I suppose it is not a must do What you are saying sounds more like an attempt to escape growth...

@Bluebird I see... I have a lot of female friends who are interested in growing, but it's very hard to talk about some of the things with them, because I cannot fully understand their femininity, that's why I am asking

That would be awesome, I had many issues in my past relationships, so this would be very useful

Today I felt actually godlike, my energy was through the roof and I could communicate with girls more easily than ever before, but dude @Adilbek , I am on like day 10, already having these results... Do you have super powers?

You can try to rent a scout house near your place, they should have all the equipment needed, while being cheaper than cabins in the woods in my opinion I will probably try this myself one day...