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@winterknight after full realization, could you see yourself running a business in the service industry or would it be to difficult to stay in character for 8-10 hours a day?

Perfect! I love that answer so much. Ok so it seems my two top things to do (in context of being the Seeker) is to calm the mind through psychoanalysis, and then self inquiry to solidify in mind that which I truly am, which is beyond story, only to find that this was the case all along. Bring it on!

@winterknight well thanks for humoring me, that was actually the answer I was looking for. And also... Funny thing, I'm exactly the type to ask how old a building in a dream was, knowing that any answer isn't necessarily true, but it does provide context to the story. I never knew if what we call enlightenment is when one stops identifying as the thinker, or if that is the beginning of the journey. So you seem worried that your answer will hinder growth, but that's this is actually great news to hear.

@Serotoninluv I have. I don't stick with it though, and you're supposed to do it religiously. I learned a really good one though. Which is every time you see the sky, you do a RC,which for me is to count my fingers. That way every time you see a sky in a dream, you are likely to do a reality check and realize you are dreaming. Well this worked the first or second night, but I didn't become lucid. There was a dream character who asked to be called lord skye, and he even spelled out the name for me, but I never put two and two together. As soon as I awoke and reviewed the dream did I laugh and slap myself for not getting it. They say Mild is the best method and works often for me. You say a mantra that the next thing you see will be a dream, or something similar to that phrase. Works good with wearing an eye mask so that truly the next thing you see will be a dream. Other times I just spontaneously realize and I'm sure it's a combination of the practices and just really strong desire.

@winterknight Oh yes, I get that for sure. I was more interested in the mind's point of view, as that is more relative to this one over here (which I know technically there is no here or there). When did @winterknight 's mind stop believing it was the thinker of thoughts? I just am trying to figure out if the realization comes early, but it may take so and so years to actually stop identifying, and if this is what self-inquiry is for.

@winterknight at what point in your seeking did you stop identifying as the thinker?

Here we are still climbing that mountain

You can pick one

@winterknight What does "previous life" mean, and does this imply a soul (or memory bank)?

Update: I'm still processing some things. Had some insights that at least shed some light on who I am not. I am not a thinker or a doer. In fact there's no me to do those things, only a bunch of me-thoughts pretending they are in control. Much thanks to @winterknight and my guide on liberationunleashed.com for pointing me towards this. (and @Telepresent too ) This video is unrelated, but wanted to share it because I think there's some beauty in the juxtaposition between words (language) and the visual representations:

@winterknight I'm sure these insights are very basic, but they sure feel good when it happens. Enjoy the ride they say.

@winterknight I hope I don't embarrass myself, but here goes. Please correct me! I have seen that all thoughts are me-thoughts, because all thoughts are about how this thought relates to "me". In this sense, everything I view around me (more thoughts) and touch and feel (even more) are included in this false sense of self, as me-thoughts. That means this entire reality I perceive is me, the false I. Not saying reality itself, whatever that is, but just the one these me-thoughts are thinking about.

@winterknight what was your work schedule like for the past few years pursuing this? Are you married? Kids? If not, would you see yourself getting this far this soon with wife or kids / busy schedule? I know you've mentioned many times before you do not identify with Maya, but for the shits and giggles, do you like Maya? Or at least does that body's stream of me - thoughts like Maya? Do they still get some kind of excitement for it? Have you had mystical experiences?

Gotcha, thank you.... Yeah "I" feel sorry for them (wow that's Meta)

@winterknight what happens if this particular stream of me-thoughts does not... Whatever... Become enlightened or whatever... Is it important to do this or is it just kindu of (or very) cool?

@winterknight is there, at any point, a thinker of thoughts?

It would probably be of no use to you at this point, (whatever the hell that means). But it covers alot of topics from quantum physics and interpreting the books of jed McKenna. But that's still only a small part of what it covers, and I'm only about halfway through. It's a free e-book on Amazon and not short. He uses an analogy of being in the theater, which is a play on Plato cave. ( There are the ones who are (falsely assumed) stuck in chains and identify with the movie being played, and there are those who have stood up and wandered to the back of the theater. He says that all teaching or what not is just happening in the back of the theater. Then there are those that exit the theater altogether. He likens this to entering the cocoon stage of becoming a butterfly, whereas emerging as a butterfly is enlightenment. The ones identifying with the movies are larvae, and the ones who wander the theater are caterpillars. Of course I probably screwed that up all too hell so of course the book explains it better. Well anywho the only use it would probably be of to you is to expand your mind on certain ways to express what you have learned (and unlearned), not that you really need any help with that.

I know you aren't asking me over here, but kind of reminds me of synesthesia

@winterknight Thank you so much for helping to evolve the understanding of serious seekers on this forum. I am selfish and want you to keep this thread going forever! Especially as more questions arise. So funny the mob mentality when you first opened this thread.... hopefully everyone's off topic banter on here won't get this thread closed. Please bear with us for at least a few more days, I can really sense the rise in understanding already across the forum, and my own. Conversing with you, and my guide on liberation unleashed forum, "I" had a glimspe into no-self (no thinker) the other night. I know its only the beginning, but so glad its begun. Oh, have you read "Butterflies are free to fly", by Stephen Davis?

Thank you! I'm currently wanting a therapist for that reason. What type of therapist should I seek?

@Wisebaxter if you want to experience 'no-self', there is a forum where a person like winterknight will step by step guide you to this realization, with no judgements to how silly your replies may start out. https://www.liberationunleashed.com/nation/ You can at least go on there and comb through the archives to get some cool insights and answers (though answers are crap without experiencing it for yourself. Answers you read or hear can only point you towards the realization experience, after which these answers take on a new context and meaning. )

@Wisebaxter well, definitely don't go by what I said... But that's how it seems to "me"

@Leo Gura thank you! @Wisebaxter I think : within the context of Maya (illusion, hallucination, etc) , there are lots of human mothers giving birth to human babies, none of which need a "you". These human bodies have brains or minds or whatever, which interprets the constant rise and fall of thoughts, and then there is the perception or awareness of these interpreted thoughts, still none of which can be labeled as a "you". The you that you think you are is like a mixture of this awareness of the thoughts and these interpreted thoughts by human mind. But even that isn't a you because ultimately there is no you, because that implies a separation from the infinite Self. I really hope someone replies and corrects the hell out of that....

@Mikael89 how long have you been feeling abandoned by God like this? Is it something new or does it come and go?

@winterknight when getting psychoanalyzed, what is being analyzed? The mind? The mind of what? The brain of the particular body? Because of how it interprets the thoughts it perceives? If there is no I, (as far as the one being identified with/mistaken as thoughts), then what is being analyzed? And for what purpose?