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I know, I know, BUT what we could do is have a sticky thread titled 'recommended language use' or something... 'enlightened grammar' ... Nah... We could discuss preferred language on here and add them to the sticky thread when agreed upon one. And I'm just talking about easy stuff, like not calling the small self 'ego', and leave ego for the animalistic part of the brain which filters reality, or sense of self worth. If anything this thread does serve to point out some of the strange confusing language that we use, and I'm super interested in hearing more examples

@Mu_ @Zigzag Idiot Well at least the thread is here now, so as we continue to converse on this forum we can point out inconsistencies and downright confusing terms that we use in our Lani*, as they arise. The garden still needs tending! *autocorrect mistake, meant to say language but it apparently is the hawaiian word for Jeevan** heaven, so I left it.. **wow another autocorrect mistake, this one, is an Indian name that means 'bringer of life'.. Ok lol I'll stop now

Haha I think I was just finding an escuse to feed my addiction @Zigzag Idiot I like the idea of spontaneous idiocy and your quote about the sly man really massages this characters ego because it makes me think there's hope I could still be special somehow by stumbling upon something special due to this unique mind which has been shaped for 33 years by ordered chaos. And why not? Massage away!

@Zigzag Idiot thank you for your hefty contribution. I may need to smoke a little pot to understand it, and to be in the same mindset I was in when I wrote the post. How sad is that haha. My sobor mind is having a hard time wrapping around what you wrote but it sounds pretty interesting. At least I can start a semi intelligent post and then have all you smart people expand upon it!

https://www.dreamviews.com/wiki/How-to-Lucid-Dream This is good quality guide

Yes you can actually.... It's called WILD induction but of course it takes lots of practice. You enter the dream fully conscious and ready to do anything. It is a very advanced practice of lucid dreaming but the most desirable.

@Joseph ICU the website describes how the Bible is an esoteric path to enlightenment. Not necessarily how language is used in the Bible, but of course that is a large part of the allegorical interpretation. The website is http://Www.spiritofthescripture.com

Hahaha you're so right

Yeah for sure. What would that be like?

@Leo Gura @CreamCat @Joseph ICU @Joseph Maynor @Apparation of Jack @electroBeam @Nahm Here's maybe a better example of what my point is with this thread : I know that creating a unified language for this work can't be forcibly done, may never happen, or is already well in motion thorough the invention of internet. BUT there could be A FEW things that we could agree on as a society /community that we could change in our language to simplify and uncomplicate understanding. For example : in english we tend to personify the ego, saying it does this and that and doesn't want this and that, but no it's not! The ego is the ego. A natural evolved process happening in a so called brain. We tend to, at least in English, refer to the illusionary dream self as the ego. We've bastardized the word, kind of, because most people that aren't into this work consider the definition of ego to be 'a person's sense of self-esteem or self-importance' and in the psychoanalysis field : 'the part of the mind that mediates between the conscious and the unconscious and is responsible for reality testing and a sense of personal identity.'. A part of the mind. Not a self. But then under that it says in the philosophy field : '(in metaphysics) a conscious thinking subject. So now it's a self? And then we learn there's no self but we still (confusingly) refer to self as ego, and refer to the animalistic process in the mind that filters reality as ego. Its confusing! And we perpetuate it! I propose we come together as a society / community and agree to refer to the illusionary self as the illusionary self. Or as I like to say, the character. Or at least agree to stop referring to it as the ego. We have the power! ?? Let's stop confusing the newbies!

@Joseph Maynor Neat thank you. I'll read it soon @CreamCat yes you are right! I remember watching a Japanese game devoloper being translated and the way they put things, even just talking about normal things, is very poetic. And alot of gesture based accompaniment as almost to make up for the lack of words

Yes you're right ? Anyway, my main point to make was there are small changes we can make to our already popular English language that streamlines how we talk about this work. Haha I know but as it unfolded for me is exactly what you are supposed to look for to realize you are dreaming. Pictures and words can change like that out of the blue.

Holy shit I'm dreaming... What happened to the other picture you posted?? (originally it was a statue of the different people looking at the elephant) Oh I see.... The tower of babel is fitting. Why is it bad to have unified language? Maybe we just weren't ready back then. Maybe language will never be ready but can be a good precursor to something that works, like telepathy.

@Leo Gura haha so true

ok i'll try that! Let me book mark this post...

Its mount dora FL. I think I looked for an institute but maybe not. If you could help me find one in orlando that would be great

Thank you. I did find a local psychoanalyst but it was going to be a base price of around 2000 and I can't justify that with a husband who doesn't believe in this kind of stuff....

@DrewNows @Preetom I do SOME self inquiry, more like passive inquiry maybe. I'll periodically ask "who is this experience happening to". But I don't sit for practice. I also consider conversing on here a form of self inquiry, but that's more in the conceptualization field, probably

@Preetom I think I've convinced myself that I'll work on focus skills first but that doesn't happen much either....

Well I tend to just not do it lol. Just like I tend to not meditate but every now and then an effort is made. Been trying to let the desire to do it come naturally instead of forcing it. I have complete lack of focus so that doesn't help

@winterknight yeah I'm sure I'll get back into it.... We'll see what happens

I feel like one of the androids on westworld when shown a photograph of something from reality - - 'that looks like nothing to me...'

Yes so who speculates with no thinker? There's a succession of thoughts which appear and say : there's an allegory to be seen in the human existence? I think I'm still too confused on what thoughts are when there's no thinker. My current understanding is that thoughts appear within the senses as interpretation of THIS. but is the human mind receiving these thoughts like an antenna or they just appear organically with no apparent reason or source?

@winterknight is the 'human existence' an allegory for something? Or does this imply a thinker?

This is commentary from a particular translation of the gospel of Thomas Now, the day you discover your true light [your Divine Awareness within] your current idea of spirituality will PASS AWAY behind you, feeling like another life or a dream. Your present belief systems and old identifications will also pass away behind you. Your unenlightened ego-persona will no longer dominate, as you’ve removed attention from it ... and your rediscovered one true Self will no longer pass through the sleepy transition of “death”. You now remember, that once when you practiced good habits –– when you practiced spiritual disciplines to enter your I AM Self –– it was you, [the one who believed in separation] that put forth effort and allowed an unfolding expression of good works. But when you reenter your Divine Light, and your expansive Awareness, who do you suppose will be the ACTOR then, who will be the DOER, and WHO will be doing the allowing? Will it be the ego self, feeling separate, and alone –– burdened with the emptiness of the past...? Or will it be your Divine Beingness acting from the Loving Power of the Present Moment? In the beginning, when you were one-with “I AM I,” you became “two” by falling “asleep” and you dreamed of a “separation” from your Divine Identity, believing the God Life Force to be someplace else, other than in you, as your body and soul. You dreamed that EARTH was separate from HEAVEN, and you focused on the outer world’s shadows and circumstances and dreamed of death rather than knowing the power, present within your being. But now that you are “two” [in a divided consciousness of half-ness], how shall you return to The One, The Only, The Whole? How can you rejoin what you never separated from, or come back again to what you never left? To awaken from your dream of exile, you must reorient your Awareness of Self, by seeing your flesh as the outside of your breath, and, unifying your divine impulses with your human actions. Let your mind be the servant of your SOUL [your pure Intentions] and let loving kindness replace ego’s self-centeredness [by continuously gazing within]. Listen to and touch the Divine Consciousness in your center of being moment to moment, and obey the guidance that you receive there. Listen. You marvel at the things I do and the words I say, but marvel not. The works I do and the words I say are from the “I AM I.” The words I hear the I AM say within, these I say; and the works I see this Divine One do within, these are what I do. You see, it is only a matter of attention and obedience. 11. from the Lachlen Paul French translation of The Gospel According to Thomas