Wisebaxter

That all makes sense. Thank you

For example, if I suddenly realise I've just been daydreaming, and I was unaware of awareness, lost in thought etc, could you say that I was at all conscious? I find this hard to investigate as by the time I do the experience has already passed and I'm looking backwards. There's no recollection, or experience of being aware. Just a memory. Is there always awareness to some degree?

@Adamq8 @Carl-Richard @m0hsen This was eluding me! Thanks. I think I was referring to the small I, y'know, the I that thinks it's only there when it has a thought saying 'I' am aware.

@PopoyeSailor That's fascinating stuff. Thanks for the book link, I had a little read and it looks great, I'll definitely keep going. Yeah that's a really good point you made about dreams which I hadn't considered here. It's like reality has different layers or infinite parallel dimensions where things can manifest. I've heard the word 'timelines' used as well. I think we can jump between them and do so more than we think. We could be walking down the road, feel a bit oppressed and just own it as ours as an ego whereas it could be being empathed from the collective consciousness. But I'm a sucker for concepts, clearly

I listened to this album whilst tripping and visiting the site of a Viking coastal invasion and I had something of a past-life regress. As I was lashed with wind and rain I became some desperate nord trying to find safety for his family at all costs. I had some incredible insights into the nature of survival whilst steeped so deeply in stage red/purple. Has anyone else had a regress on acid? I've had similar stuff before with native Americans. There are these deep primal urges coupled with intense emotion. I also had the insight that God revels in the beauty of it's own brutality, the brutality of survival, at all costs. In this way war can be loved, from a stage red perspective. As cold, hungry and desperate as I was, I was experiencing it all from Gods perspective, through a lens of unconditional love, revelling in my beauty. I also realised that all of this happened so love could ultimately evolve itself, which includes me integrating these spiral stages. I'm guessing that psychedelics must be a channel into our ancestors or our collective consciousness?

I would caution against fiercely defending against I-thoughts or egoic sanskaras. If you have something to defend against, it's like you're implying that something in God's plan is less than perfection. It could be seen as a very masculine, controlling or 'pushing away' approach. The universe will give you more to fight against as it thinks that's what you want. I believe in a new paradigm of spiritual evolution which incorporates the feminine more, hence it's about not fighting and offering love for whatever arises, including your desire to fight of course. This battle only exists to show you what hasn't been embraced yet as divine. What power could a concept such as ego sanskaras have over God, which is pure love. Sometimes God loves to fight something fiercely. That's a also a beautiful thing to behold. I love how devoted you are to this practice of self growth. Your language really signifies that.

@Shunyata I'd say be cautious of going in with a 'slaying demons' attitude, as badass as that is. I'd been rocking a more 'integrating the darkness using unconditional love' approach.' Basically a Miyagi-Do thing instead of Cobra Kai. After all it's your inner child we're talking about here. It's just forgotten itself as the light and is scared. If you're going to go digging around there come baring gifts. Evil is only evil because it's seen through that lens as a projection. Thank everything that arises and compliment it. Ask it to stick around and always feel safe talking to you. A good practice is to meditate and bless everything that comes up for attention. A lot of that will be shadow related. This is the crux of David Rico's book 'Shadow Dance.' Self love is the only way. Matt Kahn is a great one to check out for shadow work. He says that micromanagement isn't the way. Keeping records of your judgements etc. The best way is to love them. Once love is your response to everything, you can't go far wrong. After all, everything is the divine, even the devil.

@Mafortu Yeah, you're probably right there. But a past life regression sounds so much cooler! I was Ragnar freakin Lodbrok! lol. Na I was just tripping balls listening to viking music. It was mad though, I really felt like I'd tapped into their psyche and emotions. The wind and rain probably sent me deeper into it. Or maybe as @Adamq8 said, reality is just imagination, so if a viking imagined this happening at one point, through his experience, and reality is infinite and timeless, surely one could re-experience it to some degree. Then the question becomes, are past life regressions a thing at all and how do you really know when you're having one? At the time I postulated that my location had something to do with it, like the memories were infused with the land. I probably watch too many movies. Regarding your computer game analogy though, Link has never been alive as an actual entity (or at least experienced himself as such). Maybe you could tap into the collective consciousness's experience of him though..

@Leo Gura I hope that during these trying times you're still able to see and appreciate how much most of your followers appreciate you and how much value you've added to their lives through your pioneering efforts. It must be tough when you give and give and get so much criticism. I bet the mind easily focuses in on it too. I thought your live stream awakening videos were the coolest thing I'd seen on YouTube. Your authenticity deeply moved me. I'm sure you're no stranger to sycophancy too from time to time, but let me add my voice to that throng and say...Love you Leo. I know you want your work to have a profound impact on society and culture, that's your dream, and it's upsetting to think that it might be corrupted. But from my perspective, and based on conversations I've had, you're already smashing it buddy. Look what they did to Christ. He knew they wanted to string his ass up but that dude just wouldn't quit. He kept on breaking bread, chilling with hookers and dishing out the wine. Maybe this is helpful, maybe it isn't, but I wanted to communicate it, seeing as as it pains me to hear you sounding so disillusioned After watching all of your videos on psychedelics, doing my own investigating (like you advised) and heeding all of your warnings I began taking them occasionally for spiritual work and they've shifted my whole paradigm in a positive sense. Your advice on these substances is very down to earth and if anyone gets into a pickle then they've either rushed into it or didn't stay tuned for the part where you told them they may end up experiencing some very challenging times. In a world of disinformation on the subject, your content is a frigging Godsend

If reality is nothing but perspectives, why would the map not also be the territory? Isn't the map a part of the territory? If I say I believe something, isn't the fact that I believe it a kind of relative truth that's being experienced? In other words, the fact that I experienced a belief that I hold to be true, was a true event that hapenned, within reality. The experience was a relative truth, and that's part of the whole right? Reality is playing at creating maps, surely. That's a truth. To put it another way, why would my map not be an intrinsic part of the territory.

@Mason Riggle Thanks for that. What my mind keeps saying is, isn't the description of the thing reality too, if the description is what's occurring? In that moment all that exists is 'the description of a thing.' The thing itself is just an abstract idea, which only exists as the idea about it. When the thing was experienced, whatever that happened to be, let's say, a car speeding past - that was real. Any further attempts to describe it, are only describing themselves, or describing the nature of that experience, as it occurs, in the now. I'm not sure of any this of course. Just thinking out loud

@ajai Yeah it's definitely a rabbit hole you can get lost down. I'm wondering, if the cartographer was wrong, would that experience of being wrong, the actual experience in the moment, still be his particular territory, if reality is just whatever your perspective is. Just like in quantum mechanics where there has to an observer for stuff to happen (summed up the entire field there ). I suppose that in that example his map is embedded in something that appears to be more 'true,' or 'real,' but personally I have no experience of anything other than perspective, and Leo has a whole episode called reality is nothing but perspective. Or I've also heard it said that the relative IS the absolute. I'm wondering if there are only relative truths then

@Hello from Russia This really got me thinking. Perhaps I meant that my map would be 'a' territory. Could it be that we all have territories that interact with other people's territories in a relative sense. So lots of people walking around with shit maps And then would there be a super territory that comprises them all? I'm struggling to envision something outside of perspectives.

@Nahm Would light only be existing, looking like a map, if it was observed that way, as it only exists in our perspective? If I had an experience of the light looking like a house, could we say that's an absolute truth as it's what I experienced? Otherwise wouldn't we have to admit there's something existing outside of a perspective? The house is a concept, but if a concept is what's experienced, is there anything else? This is something I'm puzzled by

@Rilles If I'm having a direct experience of mind, would you say that's just as real as any other direct experience? After all there are only states. Being lost in a certain 'state' of mind etc. So if I focus on a candle, I'm having a direct experience of that, whereas if I then close my eyes and imagine a candle I'm having another direct experience. Should there be a bias towards the first one in terms of how real or true it is? I'm thinking out loud here. This question really interests me

@Leo Gura Ah I see. So it's kind of paradoxical. I always forget to account for this. So both sides of the coin have to be understood. Basically they're both one and the same, and also completely different. All truths have to be present for reality to be infinite etc..

I felt obliged to post about this on here as I've been using these things called concept maps and they're so friggin awesome. For those who haven't heard of them they're like mind maps but you define the relationship between each of the items on there - and they're more focused around concepts. Leo talks about concepts a lot and how much they dominate our experience, so having them in front of you on a screen and seeing how it's all related helps you to navigate through the maze a lot easier as it's not just a jumbled mess in your head. It aids your thinking process too as you're able to make the connections a lot faster in your mind. You'll soon notice how it's all infinite too as you can draw distinctions forever of course. The maps start to take on really intricate, beautiful shapes too, like God wants to create beauty and order out of it all. For example check out my 'Theory of Everything' Map. This is more a Map of where I want to be rather than where I currently am. Note that each concept can be set up to contain it's own Map. This software is completely free as well: https://cmap.ihmc.us/ And as if this wan't all cool enough, you can collaborate with other 'cmappers' on their cloud. So you can share a folder and both edit the same Map. As a strategic tool it's incredible. If anyone ever fancies working on one with me, for shits and gigs, pm me and I'll give you my email so you can add me on the cloud. Having a mental image is so powerful. You can practice making certain areas of the map stand out in your memory by staring at them for longer. For example, I stare at the Love section of my Map to imprint it and also feel the emotions there.

Whatever your experience happens to be in relation to this question, in the present moment, is the only truth there is. There's nothing outside of that. This is how the zero-point fractal works, constantly birthing an infinite amount of relative truths along with every other form, or state, that could be.

Ok, so basically you start listing things in your life, concepts really, that dominate your experience, and saying 'forget so and so...' So an example for me would be: Forget enlightenment. Forget awareness. Forget spirituality. Forget Leo. Forget Rupert Spira. Forget frustration. Forget regret. Forget eating. Forget wanting. Forget love. Forget God. Forget mum. Forget my brother. Forget family. It feels like you're purging concepts out of your system. It helps if you're feeling a bit frustrated with it all. It's almost like an act of letting go and seeing what you're left with, similar to Neti Neti meditation. Eventually you'll be labelling things that are coming into your mind. Like, forget obligation. I drifted off to sleep doing this and had a really profound dream about enlightenment. So you're reprogramming the subconscious mind too. Give it a go. I wanted to share as I found it really interesting and cathartic. I may choose a word that's a bit kinder than 'forget.' At the time I was fed up. I might be kinder to myself and say 'thank you' to those things instead, for making an appearance. Thank and you and farewell. Who knows. Forget works well though.

@Forestluv Wow I love this. So basically what we have here is an empirical experience that showed you your suffering was predicated upon memory and entirely thought based and conceptual. That's so powerful. I mean, you can have an idea in your head that this is the case, but you had an actual experience. Reminds me of the time I had this insight that if you're able to let something go from your mind, it can't be real, hence the fact that it comes.... and goes....perhaps this forgetting practice is a sort of follow on from that. I'm also reminded of something Peter Ralston says in the Book of not Knowing. He says something like 'do you know it to be true, without a shadow of a doubt? If not, it has to be a concept/idea and therefore it's not real, so let it go. I think he calls the exercise 'empying the cup' @Nahm Ah this hit me right in the heart-space Nahm. Always nice to hear from you

@kag101 Oh I feel you on this one buddy, and I love that quote. I was a bit concerned about negating my shadow aspects, so I'm experimenting with different language. The practice you're referring to seems more geared at accepting emotions that arise whereas this one covers that and also any concept you can think of, so a lot of stuff that appears to be external. So you wouldn't really say 'it's ok to 'cars,' if you get me. As I'm not just concerned with internal emotions perhaps it's safer to use the term 'forget,' but I'm still figuring it out. All I know is, forget feels so final and quick fire. You can reel off so much stuff using that word. Anything longer can seem a bit clunky. Thanks for sharing your thoughts dude

@Iiris Proof that a materialist and a new ager can hit it off then! I have this idea in my head that I have to find a really spiritual woman and I'm sure it's limiting me big time, especially as most spiritual people still have massive Ego's anyway most of the time. I'm glad you grew up with both sides of the spectrum represented. That must mean you can relate to people from both camps a bit better. Thanks for sharing by the way

@Johnny5 Haha amazing dude, forget about it! It really does feel good. Today I've been using 'fuck' instead of 'forget,' as I'm needing to drive it home a little more. Still feels pretty damn good. Fuck personal hygiene, felt good.

@Wisebaxter Wow that's almost like a zen koan. I've read it through a few times and it's very layered. It seems like forget does have a certain power to it. I was just worried about neglecting aspects of my shadow or making them feel unloved if I used it. I've heard it said that they need to be returned to the light with love. Also, when you just use forget as opposed to something longer you can reel off lists a lot faster. The word forget feels pleasing too somehow