Jack River

@Arhattobe I started with subject/object thought/experience first my self through observing.

I'm not sure what you mean by growth here. Im simply referring to learning/observing ‘experiencing’. Sure, that happens, that is why exploring the nature of experience/thought has its value.

It's no idea, no philosophical jumbo jumbo, it is most obvious dude. In fact it is quite direct.

Perhaps what I see, what blinds me, what dogs up my vision is also me

@DrewNows @Serotoninluv ?

Hehe

I’m not following you my dude. What do you think I stated? Your finger belongs to me?

I can be separated from all things but no thing can be separated from this dude?

He gets that. You guys are actually meeting one another. There is the primitive & healthy fear that you spoke of, and there is the psychological fear that he spoke of. The psychological fear, as in reaction that is influenced by the I thought thinking it is distinct from the objects of experience. The fear he means I think is ‘inward fear’ like; seeking psychological certainty, inward continuity of psychological becoming/not becoming(resistance to what-is/fear). Psychological evolution.

You guys are for the most part meeting.

@DrewNows

@Serotoninluv lol..I only go if absolutely necessary. This one doesn’t qualify.

@DrewNows ?

I just split my wig about 2 hours ago skating the long board. I have many many scars that express how much fun I’ve had.

I am is perma flowstate, even when using the john

Falling off is half the fun?

Becoming & not becoming is a reaction to fear/ego. Fear is reaction. All one movement

Maybe the fascination with objects cannot end that very fascination with objects. Perhaps what is lasting has always been. Maybe what is not lasting is this arising and falling of such object/subject fascination.

Perhaps time moves through Me, I do not move through it.

Detached from food, air, sex? ?? Are you distinct from these things you wish to detach from? And what is practical about admitting steps to end attachment? Does becoming end becoming??

To much beauty to be seen to keep our eyes closed?

It can be used to study the reactionary arsings of self seeking pleasure in that experience as well. The up and down pleasure/pain cycle can help to understand oneself. I don’t personally advocate it, but if we want to use it, that is one takeaway from the experience. To observe the up and down effect and our (selfs) relationship to that up down continuity.

If we meet emotions(reactions) with the past (the unreal-ideas/concepts/the word) that unreal manifest itself as very real(pain)reaction.. and so on. Which is what I meant by ending experience as it arises. To not meet that experience with the word/idea/concept/psychological remembrance. This way the experience flowers and dies on its own. We don’t feed it, which sustains it again to arise in “future” experience(time/divided self).

When the experience is in reference to apparent subject/object divison there is perception of a progressive continuity of the past, modified as the present, which projects forward in the future(time). This is the veil of thought/memory responding that attributes its content/movement to separate entity that is independent from time itself. You can also think of it as things being other than they seem. It seems a certain way because the self separates/abstracts itself from memory. Can you see it as both real and unreal. Does that make sense? That is what I am referring to when it comes to time. That implies past/present/future. ‘Nowness’ is not a modification/continuity of past/present/future(time). This is what I meant by non-psychological recording or the ending of an experience as it arises. Not carrying it (past experiences) over in time, which sustains reaction cycle/loop.