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Yeah.. but you will never know IT. And if you think you do, you're closed up to all the other possibilities. You ARE it, but it remains an eternal mystery, because that's its very nature.

I'm done here.

@Salvijus Because we diverted so far away from the actual point - I just want to highlight this statement of yours and state once again: That view is narrowly egotistical, wholly uncompassionate and a rationale for pure devilry.

That's simply not true. Also I actually question that myself the whole time, while you seem to just divert the attention away from your behaviour. Whatever, this is leading nowhere.

I'm stating my observations, while I have no idea what's going on inside you. I can see what you say and how that affects other people, while you seem to largely ignore the latter part.

Don't you see how self-serving this view is? If the other person has a problem with what you say, it's just because they are not healed enough yet to see your truth. I don't try to heal you, nor do I believe to be in possession of the truth, or that I know better than you what's good for you. I just call you out on your bullshit that you present here as fact.

Bullshit. That makes you no different than a christian crusader that tries to proselytize other people into their truth. This is pure devilry.

Good communication takes the other's perspective into consideration.

Okay, that's nice. But that's not what everyone else perceives.

I'm making observations while you think you know someone else better than they themselves do.

No, you clearly try to "heal" someone here. That's what you literally said. I don't know you, I merely observe dynamics I've been involved in myself and I can tell you how that's received from the other side.

I don't, I'm pointing out my observations.

See the issue is, you're talking about stuff you have no idea about: What goes on inside someone else. You confuse your conjectures with reality. You're not talking to the other person, you're talking to some projection of yourself. You're not really interested in her, because you've already made up your mind about her. You're not meeting her on eye level, instead you're on some high horse and behave as if you're the one that has a solution to her problem. As if you're more advanced and the other person has to listen to what you say, else they're just running away from the truth — but it's not the truth, it's your interpretation of their behaviour. That's not helpful and instead often leads to the other closing up.

That's extremely dismissive of the emotions of the other person.

It's not your job to be the saviour of anyone. That's just an ego game.

Or it could lead to retraumatization - given that wound you see even exists. I speak from experience because other people tried to do the same on me: Healing by "confronting" me with whatever they thought or felt was off about me. In hindsight it was not only mostly wrong and a lot of projections, it did more harm than good. It merely gave the other person permission to let loose and just be an asshole. If you really want to help you need huge amounts of compassion first, else it could easily become an invitation to be a devil.

Exactly.

In it's absoluteness, it is static, but non-experienceable. What's experienceable on the other hand - and that's what's happening right now - is its eternal and infinite Becoming.

Both, of course.

Even your infinite river and ocean is but a fantasy in the Grand Imagination of the Great Imaginator, creating and destroying all it's own names, images and masks, all at the same time. Everything revolves around it, but can never be reached — but IT IS ITSELF that revolvement. That's the one that can not be spoken of.

We are MANIFESTING what is right now - it's an interactive process. There's nothing to arrive at — even if you think your arrival has been permanent, it isn't. Thank God.

But they literally are worshipping Christ in Jesus. That's a gross misunderstanding of what Jesus tried to convey as I understand it.

Oh, there are way better feelings than a sexual orgasm. It's infinite.

It's manipulation if you make them think they have some kind of spiritual advantage when they have sex with you.

Fortunately, everybody that was here and ever will be is human. Thank God. So we have to think for ourselves, because nobody got all the answers. Maybe there's something beyond.. but we don't know that yet.