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I like that point of view

Okay I thought about what’s my point.. everything is the Absolute and it’s me, I agree, there’s nothing but exploration of the infinite mystery, also agreed, so what are we even disagreeing on? That there is EVOLUTION and it matters a LOT. It’s not even guaranteed that we’re gonna make it on this planet. That we squander our chance. And that would be a tragedy of proportions you can’t even imagine.

You’re right I fell into the old paradigm a bit. Sometimes hard to stay aloof around all this gaslighting Suffering is actually a consequence of falsehood.

I can. Because when you feel it I feel it, there's no difference, our separation is an illusion. Not me in the sense of this human form, but me as consciousness itself.

In an absolute sense it's imaginary, because it doesn't affect what you are. The Absolute dreams all different kinds of relativity. But the Absolute is ultimately the eternal Truth, dreams are temporary and change all the time. Mistaking the dream for reality (meaning: mistaking yourself for the dream character) leads to the experience of suffering, when in fact your true Self is unbothered by everything that happens in the dream - even when you may have forgotten that you are the dreamer.

The exploration is never finished, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't do it. There's nothing else to do. And besides, it's the greatest pleasure to explore the infinite beauty of God. Welcome to Eternity

You can experience all of them, but they remain a mystery. They are all part of the greater mystery... that is you. But you can explore and understand all of those phenomena in arbitrary great detail. You're in fact eternally exploring yourself.

@Someone here Everything is completely imaginary. Because we have to use human language the term "dream" comes closest.

Wrong. Do you know your body? You may not know how it works exactly on a conceptual level, but you can become directly aware of it. Do you know the color red? Do you know what a rose smells like? Do you know what a piano sounds like? Do you know how it feels when you're in love? Do you know what sadness feels like? Different kinds of sadness? Different kinds of love? A joyful summer day? A gloomy winter night? There are a lot of things to become aware of

Well, the first question is: What IS you?

Your hasty diagnosis is a defense mechanism of your ego, because now you don't have to take anything I say seriously. Notice that I don't claim to know what you experienced or are awakened too. I'm just claiming that no one has arrived at any final destination, and those who say they did are deluding themselves. Edit: Thank you.

The distinction between structure and content is imaginary. Lol. It's not trivial. That's my whole point. Pre/Post fallacy. I'm pretty sure you misunderstood me. Stop gaslighting me you don't know what I had and what not. I'm completely aware that this is the Absolute, it's everything there is, and it's me.

The Truth changes everything.

Yep, you can. But that's only the beginning. You can not only dream different dreams, the quality of the dream can change as well - aka your level of consciousness. There are levels of consciousness way beyond what anyone has experienced yet. And that's not just a trivial fact that's a complete game-changer. One advantage of the psychedelic path is that that's utterly unambiguous.

Experiencing that you are God in all its glory. Dissolving the dream like a supernova. Bringing all your parts together again, solving the riddle that is this universe. Dancing the dance of this cosmos. We've barely even started. What's your average daily level of consciousness? Do you have surges in consciousness from time to time? How do you achieve them? Or do you just live a life that's about survival? What's your life purpose?

@Inliytened1 I disagree with that being the "final" one. What's your perception of this "entire affair" as you called it? Why does it exist? You see no possibility that there may be more after that awakening? What tells you that that would be the final one?

Nice wordplay. But no, that's not what I mean. The Absolute IS NOT DONE.

@Inliytened1 Haha.. I know that already. All I'm saying is that NO ONE is done. That's also an awakening I had.

There are certainly things I haven't become conscious of yet. I'm not sure what exactly you're talking about. I have had multiple awakenings including deaths of various kinds. I have certainly become conscious of the Absolute. You say that you're completely done? (whatever that means) I can guarantee you that that's not the case.

It's not a belief I speak from direct experience. 1. I already am the absolute. 2. What is "this"?

I believe that it's theoretically possible without psychedelics. But you don't know the inverse. It's just different tools. It's also very likely that every person walks their own path. Psychedelics are certainly a completely valid one. Also every path has advantages and disadvantages.

Says who? How is that not just a belief?

Allow me to quote myself:

Except that it is just that. But then there's more. It's not really conveyable per words because words are a part of what you try to explain as is everything else. Ok let me try it this way: THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE. THE END. But now YOU AS THE ABSOLUTE are in the process of BECOMING. There's agency involved. This becoming happens in a perfect way, but it's not at all known how exactly it will unfold. Only that it will eventually. This is the Absolute reminding itself that IT IS NOT YET FINISHED. Both statements (there is nothing but the ever-perfect unchanging Absolute; the Absolute is in the process of Becoming) are true at the same time and this transcends human logic. The error that's being done is discarding one side of the coin (the Becoming) and only accepting the other side (the unchanging Absolute). That's where you get stuck.

That's strawmanning. It's not about there being something above the Absolute. The Absolute is something totally different than you think. It's about becoming CONSCIOUS of the Absolute. That's not a binary insight that you just get some afternoon.