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1. is this also the case while on them during the trip? 2. it could be a hint that you're not very connected to the people around you or that you just don't vibe with them. Being sober it's way easier to just pretend. 3. Maybe you just need that time to process the experience. Is it only for a few days and then back to normal or does some of it linger after that?

Having no money can lead to the experience of becoming wealthy, which is way more amazing than just being rich. If you recognize that the people around you are stupid and evil it's a great hint that you have unfinished emotional business somewhere. The people around you are never random. Illness can be really painful and uncomfortable. But it can also tell you that some things you did in your life don't work our anymore. It is the body fighting for its survival, which is an expression of Love. The possibility of illness also gets you to treat your body well. It makes you appreciate being healthy in the first place.

@Yimpa @Breakingthewall It's all perfect in its context. Dysfunction has a reason, often some kind of misunderstanding. It is beautiful because it shows you a lack of understanding of some part of reality. War is perfect because it is an expression of our egoic structures. by feeling the pain and seeing all the tragedy it becomes clear that our ways were wrong. Essentially suffering means that we're not in alignment with Love. Suffering is love because it tells us our disconnection from it in a way that's impossible to ignore. Suffering is often the greatest teacher. No suffering is ever for nothing. It all pans out in the end.

Lucifer literally means bringer of light ? (Edit: correction, it means lightbearer) But in my personal experience so far Love presented itself as an incredibly bright light that touched and spoke directly to my heart. It seemed to not only contain all colors, but all emotions too. In fact I'd say every emotion is a facet of love, like white light shining through a prism. And it had humour, a lot of it.

Transcending humanity.

Bingo.

Okay, Leo said no more beating up, so I'm trying to be nice. That's not really true. Your actions have consequences. If you do "evil" stuff (or call it egotism) it will fall back on you in one way or the other. Yeah but it's about living the best and most beautiful life you can. This is your only chance to make THIS life the best possible version it can be. I see where you're coming from. But you're misunderstanding what "confronting" means. I think you're just using those very crude ways of confronting yourself with seemingly difficult things to distract you from confronting the real difficult things - those that are able to shatter your view of yourself and the world. It's about raising your consciousness by seeing THROUGH the shadows. You don't want to wallow in negativity, that's only going to lower your state of consciousness and thus leading to more suffering.

Every time life throws you a curveball it's a reminder that it's even more beautiful than you thought. But first your current worldview has to be shattered.

@nistake If you're beyond the ego stuff absolute solipsism becomes the most beautiful thing ever. Hang in there You imagined every character here, that's right, but it gets even weirder, because a higher version of you imagined YOU. And so on to infinity, but on every level there's totally different rules and versions of reality. To discover that greater version of yourself is most relieving, because you realize that you're not alone - yet you of course are all alone, but it doesn't feel lonely, but more connected than you could ever feel before. You are watching yourself while you figure this thing out. It's like an enigma. You're a creator in formation.

You are.

In my day to day I live with the awareness that everything that happens is absolutely perfect and that this very moment IS the current expression of the Absolute, there's nothing beyond that and never will be. It is very clear to me that some sort of further realization of nothingness/everythingness or unexpressed infinite potential holds no further value to me. That's what's absolutely clear in my direct awareness. It's enough to have had that realization, and that mustn't be a huge event. It's more like a simple "aha". If that's what you mean by "enlightenment", it's no experience at all, it's just a recognition. Otherwise it would just be another experience you remember after it happened.

@Breakingthewall Okay, now we're talking. It's difficult to talk about these things because everybody seems to use different terms for the same thing and vice versa. I know that I am that. But that's not where the fun is at. That was an awakening and insight I had. Here on this earth being a human is where we belong and where things are happening. It's important to realize that you are prior to everything so you don't get lost in it so easily, but after that it's about the PLAY. Lila - the divine play - is not a trivial thing. It has way more depth than most spiritual people seem to be aware of. If you're ignoring this because it's just relativity, it's just one finite expression of the infinite, the Absolute, then you didn't have this realization yet. We're here to Play. Thinking that once you got "it" you're done is just human spiritual paradigm and false, that's not what this is ultimately about. It's about EXPERIENCING divine Love and Beauty - which has no end to its depth - not just KNOWING that you are that.

I know both from direct experience.

Yep, I see it the same way. I regularly have those moments but between those I‘m involved in the dream to various degrees. Also every one of those moments of recognition is unique and they also come in various degrees. Generally my day to day consciousness keeps increasing generally, but there are times when I fall back pretty hard for some period of time, only to awaken more deeply after. The sentiment of some seems to be that if it deepens it can’t be the real thing. In my experience and through insights during those moments I’m convinced that the depth knows no end. If there is a „final awakening“ it will not be possible to return, that I’m pretty sure of.

Haha, thank God you're the dreamer anyway. I'm allergic to that presumptuous complacent demeanor. It's not achieving anything besides circle-jerking. It's not bringing anything of value into the world. What's the point in feeling enlightened and above everybody else? Who decides that anyway? And don't tell me "you just know it", that's an invitation for the ego to spin some narrative it can cling to while completely convincing itself that it doesn't do that. Fuck enlightenment. If you got a problem with that statement you're certainly not enlightened lol

@Yimpa I agree. But we gotta push through the bullshit somehow, jeeez

Opening myself completely leads to realizing that there CAN‘T BE ENLIGHTENMENT in the way you all use that word. Because it assumes that there is a before and after — it splits reality in half and discriminates in enlightened and unenlightened beings. Enlightenment is bullshit. There’s only one kind of real „enlightenment“ and that is realizing that you never were NOT enlightened. Everything else is human bullshit.

@Water by the River enlightenment is the realization that there is none. That was the end of seeking for me. there’s nothing to achieve, everything is always perfect, has always been, and there is nothing but the absolute playing for itself. I am that. But my point stands, it’s not the end, it’s a beginning. It goes way deeper than it seems. My issue is the notion that there is „just“ this experience, nothing more to see, except „other“ experiences. but there are far greater experiences, there are magnitudes of significance, and we have got a chance on this planet to create something of cosmic proportions. The play of the absolute has a depth that goes beyond what any human can conceive of right now. And it’s about connecting with that. We are not finished.

I know I give me exactly what I need right now. I love every last bit of it.

@Water by the River It's about the CONTENT that's overlooked. You know what this is, great. But you haven't experienced it all, have you? Why not aspire to have the greatest experience ever. It has literally no end. And then there's our planet. Do you care about humanity and our progression? Or does your enlightenment lead to being indifferent? Wouldn't it be awesome it everybody awoke? And that's just the tip of the iceberg. The possibilities are endless in a way no human has found out yet. Isn't that exciting to you? That's why so-called enlightenment is the end of that suffering. But NOW you can really start to explore. You can't just stop now (at least it would be sad to leave it at that), now it just starts to get interesting. It's not about something that stays. Everything will pass and it's all absolutely transient. But that doesn't minimize its value, it makes it even MORE beautiful.

@Water by the River Nice video. That's what I'm talking about LOL. It's so ass-backwards. There CAN be nothing beyond I agree. BUT THAT'S NOT THE END. It's impossible to put into words. Whatever insight you had can be had with more intensity and then some. Or why not just have it AGAIN? It's like sex, really. Don't you like orgasms? You can't tell me you're in a constant state of orgasmic bliss. And if you are, it could be more. That's my point. It's radical Hedonism with a capital H. I could have said the exact same things as you a few years ago, I know where you're coming from (believe it or not..).

Okay I see, it was a bit poorly worded. I do the same, by the way. You use your mind to speak and form sentences, obviously. And you're also using it to interpret your experience. Enlightenment is a paradigm.

I don't question the insight, it's just not the final one. I know that it is impossible from your point of view, but why do you think that that's a limitation? Your human mind cannot grasp the possibility, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. I too had insights into the nature of the Absolute that seemed absolutely final (and were at the time for all intents and purposes). Experiential in nature as you describe, not intellectual. But as it turns out... wait.. there's more lol Your mind tells you it's impossible, but it's lying, simple as that. Don't trust a finite mind when making conclusions about the Infinite. It's a paradigm lock. You're so focused on the finality that you can't conceive of any other possibility. And your mind is literally incapable of that. Only God can do that. That experience of "enlightenment" was outside of your mind, but now you use the mind to conclude that this had to be the final awakening.

Of course it's an insight. Just a different magnitude than those that came before. It is infinite, yes. But that doesn't mean that there can't be anything after it. Saying you had an enlightenment and now you're done is like saying you fucked a woman once and now you don't have to anymore.

Exactly. I know that my understanding can not be final, thank God, that's the most beautiful thing. I know that it is much better than I think. If you're open to it your worldview will be shattered and shattered again and again. God loves a good mindfuck. You enlightened ones are missing out on all the fun