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amazing post

haha sure thing I'll take it as a compliment that you don't have the impression that I'm completely insane Sanity is a human concept, that also changes all the time. GOD is insane because it will never fit into any human concept or idea of it. But it FEELS like going insane, because you're inevitably inside those human paradigm, if you want to or not. It can only be transcended by literally going INSANE

That's different than what you said before. 1. Because God wants to get to know every aspect of itself experientally 2. It is possible to gain a deeper and deeper understanding of Reality 3. The ego is not an obstacle to overcome, because trying that creates more ego. One thing that is inherent to the ego is a deep wishing for death of itself. That's the opposite of what LOVE is But sneakily all it really does is to prevent its death because it fears nothing more – and thus also fears Life itself. It's got it all completely backwards. LOVE transcends the ego by loving it to death. That's true DEATH which is equal to LIFE. But that's only possible through the ego, not by overcoming it

I at least got the balls to be completely insane.

I'm open to the possibility that I'm completely deluded, but I'm sure that you all don't got it either. What you talk about is way too sane to be true. I'll put everything I say to the test, then we'll see. If I'm wrong I adapt. This is what science really should be about.

It's about ASCENSION. Selfless Love opens up a portal to something way higher than our current reality on this planet. This will completely shatter any dogma and be the beginning of a new age of humanity. But first we must burn through all the shadows of our past, because those are what holds us down. This is not just a concept I came up with, it is based on actual direct experience.

That's just dogma. Consciousness is able to dream up whatever it wants to. It kinda is. GOD can't be not GOD, that's the only limitation. But GOD is also LOVE. "Enlightenment" is all about cessation of something, that's not what this is about, because that's based on fear of LOVE. Realizing absolute Infinity is surely great. That's certainly on my bucket list. But that's not gonna "solve" this experience here. We got so much advancement to make here, so much ignorance to shatter. That's not irrelevant, that's what this is about. It's about true acts of selfless Love – and that's the greatest pleasure, too. It's the greatest challenge of all. I had a lot of these insights before Leo had them. But he got way deeper at some point. I'll get there too.

When I said I'm omnipotent I didn't talk about my human self. More accurately WE are omnipotent, but ultimately there's no difference. My point was: I choose to be this character and that will be that way for the rest of this life. I don't need to try to drop it, it's pointless. It suffices to realize that it's just a mask I wear for a limited time. But for this experience right here right now it's exactly what's needed.

I've had many "enlightenments" and awakenings. What I reject is the idea that there is an event that ends all suffering and after which nothing matters anymore. I don't try to get rid of suffering anymore and that makes me be at peace with it in a way. That's why I say I'm done with it. The word "enlightenment" just doesn't fit anymore for my further journey. It's incredibly difficult to talk about these things. You can say one thing and the exact opposite and they're both true from a certain perspective. Of course nothing ultimately matters, what I mean would be more accurately described as "indifference", this idea that nothing touches you anymore. If your enlightenment doesn't make you MORE passionate there's something wrong. Again: I don't claim to be fully awake.

Exactly. BUT there's much that needs broken through. It's the principle of Shiva, the Wrath of God. Anger is not bad but needs to be used to cut through ignorance. I don't compare who is farther on their journey, you misunderstood me there. I know that everyone is perfectly at the point on their path that gives them the ideal opportunities to grow. Life is my greatest teacher and you're all part of it

I’m doing the work, I’m gonna awaken much more deeply in the future. All I’m saying is that nobody else is done, either

I certainly don’t know everything, I’m not nearly finished There are just certain things I became conscious of that go against everything that’s taught

This feels all so sneaky. There’s this hidden assumption that all it’s about is to know who you are. But LOVE is here, right now, in the fleeting moment. Only here real beauty is created, not in the absolute undefined potential of Infinity. Nothing happens in infinity if it doesn’t happen here. This planet, this humanity is what’s really important. All Infinity means nothing in contrast.

You know what? I already got that going on lol i will experience this infinity stuff and report back — but what if you don’t need to have had that specific awakening ?

Ah and to add: It is still an experience. There is no ultimate experience except this one. And infinity is not all there's to it...

LOL I am God and I will experience that sometime. But I'm in absolutely no hurry to return. It will happen anyway when it's time.

Yeah I get the idea. But then what? (do the dishes I know lol) I just have this strong feeling (and knowing in some moments) that that is not where the party is at so to speak. I don't deny that you can have that experience of absolute infinity, I just don't think that's the whole point.

Well I'm aware that I'm ultimately arguing with myself. I don't claim to be fully awake or something like that, I just claim that enlightenment in that sense doesn't exist – the sense being that it's some kind of ultimate end and that's it then, you're done. *sigh* My consciousness fluctuates a lot, that's just my nature. Well I'll gonna have to dive deeper into it myself.

NO. I discard the WHOLE THING. There IS not an enlightenment in that sense, it DOESN'T EXIST The only enlightenment that exists is the realization that there CAN NOT BE an enlightenment. What it's about is AWAKENING, that's something completely different and you definitely can't go back. What about your experience? Well, it's just that, an experience. Subject or not. It's still relative – or Absolute because the relative is the Absolute but that DIDN'T CHANGE

There's absolutely nothing to drop except what I CHOOSE to be. I AM OMNIPOTENT AND I CHOOSE THAT LOL THIS is it! There's NOTHING to achieve. You STILL are in the relative don't you see that!? FULL AWAKENING IS IMPOSSIBLE AS A HUMAN

Did you experience that? What you describe is like the TV-screen metaphor Rupert Spira often used. But the error with that in my view is that it discards the program. The plot-twist is that it's NOT about the TV, that is completely uninteresting, it's about the program. And.. the program IS the TV-Screen. That metaphor breaks down there. You all discard the relative, that's the problem with that thinking – but the RELATIVE IS THE ABSOLUTE. Literally. There are no different experiences, there is JUST THIS ONE. Everything else is your imagination.

Do you experience that? I am totally me, but I'm also grounded in the Absolute. I'm aware of the absoluteness of the Absolute, but I don't feel less myself, I feel MORE connected to this experience and body. It's kind of like lucid dreaming and it's amazing. I don't know if someday I wake up and think "oh, there's nobody there" but that sounds so silly. I can see the possibility but why would I want that? Why should I have an interest in disappearing? It makes no sense to me. Let's say that my current form is like a mask for the Absolute. Yeah, I WANT to play, and feel, and cry and laugh AS that character. I want to experience all the pain, pleasure, despair and ecstasy that comes with that. That's the whole point, isn't it? I CHOOSE so. And besides, that still would be a relative experience: You're there, then you're not, but experience continues anyway, so what's really the difference? The way I see it what's WAY more important is LOVE. A thorough and total YES to Life, ALL of it. In wanting to disappear there's still this death wish going on. It's about Becoming LOVE, but that won't happen in this human realm. Here we can only connect as much as possible with that, but that's also absolutely perfect already. But that doesn't mean there's nothing to change, in the contrary! Life is Eternal Change. We have to overcome our fear of death, that is also a fear of Life. It's about Transformation, a kind of alchemy that turns Darkness into Ecstasy.

I just contemplated the whole issue a little bit and had some insights. These are some established insights about the absolute and the relative: The Absolute is ever-unchanging, the relative changes all the time The Absolute is total and perfect, the relative contains suffering and consists of impermanent experiences The Absolute is your true nature, the relative is illusion, Maya, just a dream Now, did it ever occur to you, that the relative CAN'T be separate from the absolute? That the relative must BE the absolute? There can't be anything else except the absolute, so what IS IT? But how can those contradictory qualities be true at the same time: How can IT be always in motion but at the same time untouched and in perfect stillness? How can IT be absolutely perfect and at the same time contain suffering and impermanence? How can IT be your true nature and at the same be an illusion? Notice: You can't just say: "Well, all former qualities are qualities of the absolute and all latter qualities are just relative. Our job is to end the entrapment inside the relative through enlightenment, by remembering our true nature" See what you did there? You split the absolute again in two parts, divided by an event you call "enlightenment". But you can't do that because the Absolute is total and indivisible. I'll leave it at that for the moment, the next question you can ponder a bit for yourself would be: So how can those contradictions be true at the same time? To conclude, I think the invention of enlightenment in the sense the word is used nowadays is just a surrogate for Death. Death was taken away from you, because now you know that you can't die. But enlightenment gives you this sense of comfort, that it will one time be just over and the suffering will finally end. THIS IS FALSE! You have to work that out for yourself instead of hoping that enlightenment will come along and solves all your problems for you. And if you think you already achieved enlightenment, how can you say that at some point your whole life changed through that event without that being SOMETHING RELATIVE!? The Absolute can't change and can't be divided, you forgot that? There is only possible solution for this dilemma: THE RELATIVE IS THE ABSOLUTE. There is no other way.

@UnbornTao Okay, if you say so. Still you couldn't point out one single inconsistency in what I say. Or describe how your own direct experience contradicts what I say. This conversation is wasted energy at this point.

@CoolDreamThanks I am the only one who contemplated ANYTHING here. You're just parrotting the same sentence over and over "buullshit, buuulshit". Do you even listen to yourself? jeez I've had enough of you.