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So, basically Adeptus Psychonautica's channel gets most of its views by piggybacking on other famous Youtuber, and I am supposed to believe that this video is not an opportunistic attempt at eyeballs? -- Actualized.org is not a cult. The forum member share multiple different perspectives, and I can't count the number of time where I've seen members contradict Leo, including myself. Independence in thinking is one of this place's core value, and I can guarantee you that I have never seen as many stubborn individual "would not take anything on someone's word" type. Nearly all members I know follows multiple other influences. Leo's integral perspective, and his approach to intellectual matters creates an environment ripe for convergence for people who are into self-help coming from all schools. I understand that the optic can be bad -as the mind utilize previous framework of understanding, jumping to the conclusion that it is a cult is "easy", but it's a bias which shouldn't be fueled, nor instrumentalized. Also, a lot of members do not see necessarily Leo as a guru. Like the user @kieranperez mentioned it earlier, I see him more like a brother or self-help master. The message is clear: follow your own authority.

Fair enough, I get that. Though, the forum is also a great source of inspiration for your work. Kinda gives a great sight on society's biggest issues which is great philosophy material.

@Leo Gura Maybe what could be done is to add as a function a button to report death related threads or posts that looks from mildly suspicious to straight out creepy. And with it could come an automatic dm in the user's box, with warnings, directions and disclaimers.

He actually did. Nobody caught it until it was too late. The issue is that a suicidal message isn't always clear. A post written by someone who's going through a derealization phase might come off as just strange and difficult to interpret.

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I'm sick to my stomach. RIP Sunny, and my condolences to all his family members. My thoughts also go to everyone who has been shook by his death. This is an absolute tragedy.

@Peter Miklis It's just a beautiful expression of unity in the relative. Consciousness making love to itself in the world of form.

Until the ego is transcended, all relationships have both an element of survival and an element of genuine love under it. The thickness of the egos is what causes its quality to fluctuate. A lot of people here apply the one drop rule and assume that because the ego is lurking, it invalidates the whole thing and makes it only an ego trip. It all exist in a spectrum. Also, love exists underneath the ego. Rumi said: Love is, when we meet without you and without me. People who meet each other this way have very little personal substance that obstructs their innermost being and this being recognizes itself via the other. That's what this is. But yeah, the principle is that a relationship is only as conscious as the two individuals in it. Love is the collapse of what separates us. With most people, you'll find a significant amount of limitation to this collapse due to diverse incompatibilities. A friendship is a partial collapse, an intimate relationship is a wish for a total collapse and the expression of our beings. Here is what Rupert Spira says about it: There are some people that we meet and we have this intuition that if we were to come together and express this shared being, that every part of our body and mind would be touched by the relationship, that no part of us would remain unseen or closed. So that kind of relationship has a much greater power to permeate every aspect of our lives. So the shared being is expressed intellectually, emotionally, physically, in every way that sense of our shared being touches every aspect of our lives and that there is a kind of dance that goes on intellectually, emotionally and physically in which that one's entire body mind is opened up to the love that is shared. That you can't do with everybody.

What do you think, what does it look like in practice? How can couples create a conscious relationship? I would say that there are as many type of conscious relationships as there are people starting to do conscious work/are established in it. So it can be very different from one relation to the other. But in essence, both partners would be working on themself individually and/or on the relationship. Or maybe two people who have been doing consciousness work get hooked on one another and come together. As the relationship unfolds, they create intimacy by remaining attuned to one another. Both listen to the other's need and give whatever it can give without losing its integrity. This also prevent the emergence of parallel reality through emotional and intellectual rifts. I would say that there could be some sort of spiral dynamic of relationship. A conscious relationship which is centered at Green is not the same as a conscious relationship centered at stage Turquoise. You don't get the same challenges. Maybe at Turquoise, or with an enlightened being, there is a sensation of full oneness as all the barriers between the two individuals crumbles. As well as the notion of relationship. Obviously, they need to be doing something to enhance their awareness of themselves at first, but what are the things that they can do together collectively? By working on their consciousness separately, and on working on the relationship as well together. Using various resources of their choices (maybe non dual teachings, books, seminars, retreats...) and of course through meditation, introspection etc. I'd say, trying to understand the nature of relationships, and having a great knowledge of Self and self surely helps. As well a knowing what are the caveats. I think communication is a huge thing in that regard. Indeed, without the intimacy created by communication both partners will drift apart. Communication is the tool towards oneness.

A romantic relationship is only as conscious as the two individual which it is made off. It is unrealistic to expect for all survival mechanism to be dropped. Especially If you are still operating from a survival perspective yourself. You'd need two enlightened beings for that I guess. Or maybe just one. I dont know. It's unchartered territory for me. A conscious relation is what occurs when consciouness work enter a typical unaware dynamic and expend it towards more consciouness. So it can exist in different level. Having a conscious partner significantly improve the quality of it, and also is a great tool in order to grow both individuals

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@Daniel Lopez I don't know much about fetish, but I've remembered that Emerald has a video on the subject. Hope this helps.

Well, maybe you can contact her as well. The question when it comes to former flame is "did the situation that got you to break up change or not?". And in like 90% of the time, it is not a good idea to retry something. It all depends on specific cases.

By talking to her and see how that reality confronts to your memories.

Any chance you'd find her on social media and send her a dm?

@Leo Gura You've been playing with concepts and thoughts like Mozart writes music in your last video. Thanks a lot for birthing this! I sincerely hope Jordy and/or his entourage will watch this and get the mindfuck of their life. Though... I don't know how they'd handle the shock of facing that truth. Yeah. Me too. Definitely got me to investigate the solidity of my blue and inspect my shadow. A lot of the criticism for stage Green folks lays there as well, regarding JP. And it's 100% valid. One's got to laugh at how he sees pronouns as a threat for free speech and democracy while he's turning a blind eye on how serious the right wing corruption is. I don't know. I think he got traumatized somewhat due to the cold war or something. He even went as far as calling his daughter Mikhaila in honor of Gorbatchov. He's got an odd fixation with socialism. Maybe someone made him a prophecy as a child that he'd get rekt by a hero born in the USSR. Lol

Hmm. Okay. How was your dating situation in the last 10 years? Any relationships? Cmon, you must not be that bad. If you're on this forum, it means that you're pretty interesting. Keep figuring out what works for you. Just take better ressources than this video. !

But it does. The thing is, working on you LP will give you a primary source of focus and joy, which will give to the importance you give to girl it's right place in your life- something somewhat secondary. Your energy would be directed towards loving your life. That will give you the detachment needed in order to have the right posture towards relationships and girls in general. Your respect for yourself will be found by connecting with who you are on a deeper level. Also, i don't think you need to do a 180 flip, a lot of the way you are is okay for sure. It is all a question of finding your balance. And by the way, respecting people's boundaries and being nice is important. The only time you should give up on those principle is when someone is shitting on yours. -- May I ask how old you are approx?

Yeah. I've been mostly reacting to the video in my first comment. I've added this points as what makes a guy attractive energetically and avoid the "nice guy syndrome". - Having it's own personality (free thinker, being grounded in his own interest, integrity) - Inner ressources (which hopefully manifest outwards eventually, mental strength, ability to face up to life's challenges, self "confidence") - Social intelligence (high EQ) - Having boundaries -- Basically, you've got the be self-possessed and actualize your skills. Have a good relationship with yourself, because you'll be treated by others the way you treat yourself, most of the time.

What a woman will always react positively to is respect for oneself, inner strength (which will also ripple outwards), and a form of social intelligence. Assholes often tick that box, but in twisted way. Try to find the balance. I am in no way telling you to be a doormat. Having boundaries is sexy. Try to be good in your own shoes, focus on your LP, your hobbies etc. When you see girls as fellow human beings and get also talent to befriend them you'll be able to normalize approaching women in general. I'm not saying that you should stop approaching women you've done so far, but you'll manage to do it probably more naturally if you manage to drop the whole "women are special creatures" filter. Also, do not hesitate to think that a woman is not worth approaching if she's pedantic or playing out of reach.. or if she's into assholes.

Lol, yes. It is so bad that it becomes a caricature of that whole red pill garbage without willing to do so. @StarStruck I'd recommend you to get introspective and examine your underlying beliefs towards women. Because if you can subscribe to this world view, you must at the end of the day have a conscious or unconscious feeling of distrust towards them/us. Seeing the world through this framework will prevent you to build any fulfilling relationships. I say that because you'll be operating by default through a zero sum-game mentality where if she wins you lose, and vice versa. So each of your relation or interactions will become a thug of war, instead of an occasion to love. And that's because you're perceiving women as cruel creatures who's got something that you want (sex, beauty, affection?) but will never truly like you for who you are... And also, this will prevent any type of real intimacy to take place. Because if you do open up and show how you see things, there are 100% chances that she'll get upset because these believes will prevent trust. And it will always be a reason for an emotional rift/ perspective rift that will be very hard to bridge... So especially if you are young, try to upgrade your software. Look for where it is coming from. Otherwise, it'll mess up all your interactions. This correction could significantly improve your life. As of now, your mind will act as a thick filter where you won't hear or listen to women who could be otherwise interested in you. And you'll be left only with those who are interested in playing by the rules you've set up...

@Striving for more You've constructed a fiction in which you identify as someone broken. I've also done that. It not as much about adding anything to yourself, but about removing each thoughts and believes that makes you think you're not good enough. Courage! I'm sending you all my compassion and a warm hug.

Whenever I watch his videos, I find him oddly both arrogant and very empathic. So his demeanor is not putting me off because I see it more like a shell which allows him to function in life and protect his vulnerable side. I'm mostly here for the philosophy and mind related aspects of philosophy/self-help. Which means I'm not bothered in the slightest by his bluntness. I also like his sincerity and casual way of talking. One can also see that depending on his phases that he can be really compassionate, loving and conscious, or sometimes more blunt and protective of himself. Awakening is no small deal, and removing the ego-shell to sink in total vulnerability when you've got a large platform like he does is probably very difficult. At the end, it all depends on whether or not you can accept Leo for who he his. Overall, he's a very nice chap and one can see through his actions that he is very loving of everyone. It should matter much more than whatever word or vibe that can bother you.

Thank you a lot for this compliment @SamC. <3

This is exactly why we are all in need for feminism. You are also victim of the oppression of the feminine. The reason why it is repressed within you, is because it is repressed within society... and vice versa. It's a vicious circle. The unfolding of the feminine energy starts within ourself, but reviving it is difficult because we've lost touch with what it is. It has become foreign. And what I have found out for myself, is that it is like learning a new language. But not one that is commonly spoken, more like an ancient one that has been forgotten by most. I think you are doing really great. Being aware of this is quite exceptional to be honest. So big kudos, indeed! ???