Etherial Cat

Don't you have any thoughts of your own or are you just interested in parroting my latest discussion with Leo? First off, I am not an "unaware" woman. I've got knowledge about pick up far beside the average woman and 10 years of experience in self-development and spirituality. Also, I've had multiple relationships including a LTR that exceeds most of what people my age ever had. So it's very difficult to write me off as unaware. But you can keep claiming that I am unaware if it please, especially if your aim is to discredit me by trying to stick on my head a large "must not be listened to" in bad faith. I'm just going to point out that It comes off as practical to put the burden on me to explain why my perspective is legit. I could also frame you as untrustworthy and let you explain me in the next 5 posts to come why your opinion is as worthy as mine. I'll spare you that bs. So what makes you more of an "expert in construction or a professor, an expert in teaching" as I am? I'm curious about hearing your arguments on why your experience is more valid than mine? You say that you've got a large amount of experience with a significant amount on women. Well, I do also have a significant amount of experience with men. And actually, I have probably more than you do, because we are the ones getting approached. Not to mention that I've heard feedback from my gfs, male friends etc. And I've been reading this forum for almost 2 years... So I get well the paradigm here. -- I hear a lot of men claiming that they are stud who "knows women". And the reason why I know that they do not master attraction is simply because... I do not react in the slightest to their energy. And often, it is the same as for the other women commenting. So it's a very good benchmark to know whether yes or no you're dealing with a stud. When you face a stud "who knows women", even through the internet, his energy comes off as attractive. It's a question of behavior and talent to address women. No amount of pick up trick can bypass the fundamental energetic incompatibility ?.Logic is not what creates attraction. And when a woman is astute and well trained like I am, I can also sense the compatibility and dive in him to know if he's got what I want.

Feel free to show me your arguments and tell me where I am wrong, then . It's way too easy to state such platitudes with a condescending tone, passing them as right. What makes you an expert in women? Also explain me why you believe you know better than I do what makes women fall for a man.

Shame is a plague. It's probably one of the worst feeling one can feel. While feeling it, the ego is trying to bury a deep sense of inadequacy. For that, it withdraws these emotions and thoughts from absolutely everyone and its energy can fester for years. And of course, there is very strong identification going on there as well.. I have a few books on the matters that are really worth the read. We could create a book list/ content list by pooling resources in order to share and offer it to those who are interested in such matters.

I'm loving this idea.

I'd love to see such a section arise. We already have "I'm smarter than you" and "emotions are silly". It won't make much of a difference. -- So, what is Leo's stance on all of this? Seems like he's not interested in addressing it or ignoring the request, as for now? Maybe he's taking some time to think about it. Idk

There is a lot of theoretical understanding, but a real difficulty when it comes to incarnating the teachings. Obviously, thinking them is not enough. You've got the be it. And emotions are one of the most important subset of beingness. Emotional issues are as dangerous as intellectual misconceptions for the world. Giving here tools and a space for emotional alchemy could really do wonders.

Concepts needs embodiment. Emotions energize thoughts. Love is the highest teaching. Let's release the Goddess and give her the place she deserves!

Because the crowd is deluded so the wise enjoys and needs the withradwal. And it's also to avoid suffering the consequences of the many foolish behaviors he sees.

That's how it is. Two energetic polar opposites looking to merge back in oneness. It's just a beautiful expression of unity in the relative. -- There are some people that we meet and we have this intuition that if we were to come together and express this shared being, that every part of our body and mind would be touched by the relationship, that no part of us would remain unseen or closed. So that kind of relationship has a much greater power to permeate every aspect of our lives. So the shared being is expressed intellectually, emotionally, physically, in every way that sense of our shared being touches every aspect of our lives and that there is a kind of dance that goes on intellectually, emotionally and physically in which that one's entire body mind is opened up to the love that is shared. That you can't do with everybody. - Rupert Spira And once you are fully incarnating non-dual consciousness, and realize oneness, whenever you are making love to your partner there is nothing as such as two. You become one, all separations are broken down. The end game would be to find a partner who is equally as conscious. Here consciousness would be making love to itself in the world of form in full awareness and energetic synergy. But hey- not easy to arrive at this end game!

@Leo Gura Have you thought about reforming the serious emotional problems sections? I would suggest you rethink maybe your forum's structure by creating a section dedicated to the integrative path, as opposed to the spiritual transcendence focus that a lot of people have in here. Maybe having a section dedicated to emotions, emotional intelligence, shadow work and who knows would 1) act as prevention by offering resources and perspectives on these matters 2) help attracting and maybe retaining individuals who are more abiding towards this type of spirituality which would maybe benefit the whole ecosystem of this forum. I think I see a lot of people here who might benefit from such a section. Spiritual work is often used as a way to bypass emotions and repress them by "transcending the suffering" but at the end of it can pretty unhealthy. -- Other than that. I would have helped you, though the task is just over my current emotional resources and I'm not sure if you'd think I'd make mod material. I hope you'll find yours mods, regardless!

@Forestluv I also share your pain. I have a lot of appreciation for your work and your approach. You make this place a very humane place. I hope you're okay ?.

I'm embarrassed because I can only agree that this member is sometimes difficult. Both externally and internally. But that person seems to benefit so much from the environment that one can also argue that this is what this forum is for. Nobody here is a representative (except maybe Leo and the mods whenever they are operating through their pseudo) nor has actualized.org forum member as its identity as the end of the day. I'm certain there was. I haven't finished the video yet. The sensitivity and the emotionality around this topic makes it hardly the moment while considering all interest, which is why I've judged creating a video on this subject now as selfish. This has been derailing attention and adding salt on the wound while there was already a lot of fragility. Anyway. I'll leave this discussion there.

It has nothing to do with an ad-hominem. I issue this criticism of clickbaiting with newspaper all the time, but in this case the information comes from a person. What can I do if the dynamic is the same but there is not a team of journalist but a single person behind? All actors have an agenda. He's got all the right to create content and express himself. I have no problem with that. What I am taking issue more is to come here on this thread and complain that some people got triggered by his videos, when the very nature of the subject is emotional. Simple cause and effect. On this specific point, he's not having my sympathy, nor by calling this effect "cult like". And this misrepresentation is quite problematic. Even though, I agree that some individuals who are using the forum on the regular have been particularly problematic. Also, I've said that it was a 1-in-2. I don't say that growing his community is the sole concern, but my personal take on that matter is that Soonhei's suicide is a private event and not a public one that should be discussed on the public sphere, in order to respect his family. If I had my own channel, I would have chosen not to discuss it. It's the first time that I issue any type of criticism over critiscism of Actualized.org. By no mean would I not want it to stop. But anything which is putting fuel or potentially firing up this story pandering on the cult narrative or Actualized.org responsability from far or close will not have my support.

By posting a video on youtube, don't you wish for views? Beside, I'm not saying that this is his sole motivation. I'm just saying that its guaranteed attention so it is at best a two-in-one. And of course, this "story" is particularly juicy material in terms of eyeballs. He's got a long story of poking actualized.org and he knew very well that there would be a reaction. Leo's got a million subscribers. That's all I am saying. Also, I'm not at ease with anyone who co-opt a suicide and feels appropriate to give an opinion on the matter on a freaking youtube channel, when after all he doesn't have all the elements to judge. But that's just me. That's why I called that move opportunistic, but you're free to disagree.

So, basically Adeptus Psychonautica's channel gets most of its views by piggybacking on other famous Youtuber, and I am supposed to believe that this video is not an opportunistic attempt at eyeballs? -- Actualized.org is not a cult. The forum member share multiple different perspectives, and I can't count the number of time where I've seen members contradict Leo, including myself. Independence in thinking is one of this place's core value, and I can guarantee you that I have never seen as many stubborn individual "would not take anything on someone's word" type. Nearly all members I know follows multiple other influences. Leo's integral perspective, and his approach to intellectual matters creates an environment ripe for convergence for people who are into self-help coming from all schools. I understand that the optic can be bad -as the mind utilize previous framework of understanding, jumping to the conclusion that it is a cult is "easy", but it's a bias which shouldn't be fueled, nor instrumentalized. Also, a lot of members do not see necessarily Leo as a guru. Like the user @kieranperez mentioned it earlier, I see him more like a brother or self-help master. The message is clear: follow your own authority.

Fair enough, I get that. Though, the forum is also a great source of inspiration for your work. Kinda gives a great sight on society's biggest issues which is great philosophy material.

@Leo Gura Maybe what could be done is to add as a function a button to report death related threads or posts that looks from mildly suspicious to straight out creepy. And with it could come an automatic dm in the user's box, with warnings, directions and disclaimers.

He actually did. Nobody caught it until it was too late. The issue is that a suicidal message isn't always clear. A post written by someone who's going through a derealization phase might come off as just strange and difficult to interpret.

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I'm sick to my stomach. RIP Sunny, and my condolences to all his family members. My thoughts also go to everyone who has been shook by his death. This is an absolute tragedy.

@Peter Miklis It's just a beautiful expression of unity in the relative. Consciousness making love to itself in the world of form.

Until the ego is transcended, all relationships have both an element of survival and an element of genuine love under it. The thickness of the egos is what causes its quality to fluctuate. A lot of people here apply the one drop rule and assume that because the ego is lurking, it invalidates the whole thing and makes it only an ego trip. It all exist in a spectrum. Also, love exists underneath the ego. Rumi said: Love is, when we meet without you and without me. People who meet each other this way have very little personal substance that obstructs their innermost being and this being recognizes itself via the other. That's what this is. But yeah, the principle is that a relationship is only as conscious as the two individuals in it. Love is the collapse of what separates us. With most people, you'll find a significant amount of limitation to this collapse due to diverse incompatibilities. A friendship is a partial collapse, an intimate relationship is a wish for a total collapse and the expression of our beings. Here is what Rupert Spira says about it: There are some people that we meet and we have this intuition that if we were to come together and express this shared being, that every part of our body and mind would be touched by the relationship, that no part of us would remain unseen or closed. So that kind of relationship has a much greater power to permeate every aspect of our lives. So the shared being is expressed intellectually, emotionally, physically, in every way that sense of our shared being touches every aspect of our lives and that there is a kind of dance that goes on intellectually, emotionally and physically in which that one's entire body mind is opened up to the love that is shared. That you can't do with everybody.

What do you think, what does it look like in practice? How can couples create a conscious relationship? I would say that there are as many type of conscious relationships as there are people starting to do conscious work/are established in it. So it can be very different from one relation to the other. But in essence, both partners would be working on themself individually and/or on the relationship. Or maybe two people who have been doing consciousness work get hooked on one another and come together. As the relationship unfolds, they create intimacy by remaining attuned to one another. Both listen to the other's need and give whatever it can give without losing its integrity. This also prevent the emergence of parallel reality through emotional and intellectual rifts. I would say that there could be some sort of spiral dynamic of relationship. A conscious relationship which is centered at Green is not the same as a conscious relationship centered at stage Turquoise. You don't get the same challenges. Maybe at Turquoise, or with an enlightened being, there is a sensation of full oneness as all the barriers between the two individuals crumbles. As well as the notion of relationship. Obviously, they need to be doing something to enhance their awareness of themselves at first, but what are the things that they can do together collectively? By working on their consciousness separately, and on working on the relationship as well together. Using various resources of their choices (maybe non dual teachings, books, seminars, retreats...) and of course through meditation, introspection etc. I'd say, trying to understand the nature of relationships, and having a great knowledge of Self and self surely helps. As well a knowing what are the caveats. I think communication is a huge thing in that regard. Indeed, without the intimacy created by communication both partners will drift apart. Communication is the tool towards oneness.

A romantic relationship is only as conscious as the two individual which it is made off. It is unrealistic to expect for all survival mechanism to be dropped. Especially If you are still operating from a survival perspective yourself. You'd need two enlightened beings for that I guess. Or maybe just one. I dont know. It's unchartered territory for me. A conscious relation is what occurs when consciouness work enter a typical unaware dynamic and expend it towards more consciouness. So it can exist in different level. Having a conscious partner significantly improve the quality of it, and also is a great tool in order to grow both individuals