Etherial Cat

You are back. Is there any way you could elaborate on the key elements of the relationship between the relative domain and the Absolute? Everything is *NOTHING/SELF/GOD/I Am/Infinite LOVE* experiencing *NOTHING/SELF/GOD/I Am/Infinite LOVE* is another way of saying that consciousness is only ever experiencing itself. Right? But how can one navigate through the relative knowing there is no separation in actuality, while still knowing there are limitations or distinctions to be made for sustaining the body and manifest? How do you deal with this objective distinction in actuality? But I think this question goes back the question I asked just above?

@Nos7algiK Thanks! We both see the same things, I'm under the impression.

It's the whole authenticity vs attachment thing, but extended. That pattern doesn't stop at the end of childhood but gets reported on social groups who provides for your survival, as we are an interdependent specie. We all got conditioned and molded into something that doesn't fit our subjective truth. Reconnecting with who we are beneath the persona, and re-organizing our life accordingly can totally temper the level of falsehood we deal with.

Trying to attract girls through your persona is also how you'll get a high sample of incompatible ones. I agree that it's a waste of time. If you manage to reconnect with your authentic self + develop all the lines that make people attractive (for both objective qualities and subjectives qualities) you should be able to attract women who corresponds you best, without having to go through faking anything to get into her mind.

The points made by some of the guys are exactly spot on and show some common issues I see from Game. What gets girls interested is a man who gets as close as possible to his true nature and then project his authentic signature outwards. Under the unhealthy aspects of your ego, you've got the holly grail you seek: your authentic self and it's truth. The authentic self is what has been usually buried under layers and layers of ego and self-deception. This needs to be progressively rediscovered, and actualized by taking actions and then by letting it unfold progressively, throughout various relevant development lines. I think this is perhaps what @Electron was talking about. Game is a melting pot of several things. It looks for patterns, mindset, attitude, energy, physiological knowledge, psychological bias exploitation, logistics, tactics, etc, in order to get results. There are really tons of things being tapped on and put together. Typically, from what I see, Game cross many elements which are part of a healthy development line (or rather many) and maps it on your behalf. This is why it strikes as so correct and obviously a lot of guy gets significantly empowered and manage to pin point where they've been so far off until then... A lot of guys have a mix of big development line holes and a lack of experiences. It's therefore very useful to hear about concepts like kino escalation to get how to touch a girl, be reminded to go approach girls and get rid of common misconceptions. The main problem I notice, in guys who are getting into Game is that there is a lag between the pattern they try to emulate and themselves. Because so many of them come from a bereft place in the first place and haven't tapped deep enough in their authentic self, and focus on adding more stuff to themselves on an ego level. It's all just a facade. Their embodiment will be too superficial as not rooted in the real thing and similar as acting a role. And there is a form of duplicity occurring on the subjective level caused by an inner split between the two realities. If you want to have the real thing you'll got to work on many other life areas and get to the place where the split is unified... and that will not look like Game as talked by Leo. Another thing that I see is that there will be the case of some men who will take it way too far, and only swear by pick up techniques. All actions they will take with a girl will be monitored through this lens. And to me, there is something off there, like playing a video game with a cheat code. And there first of all this duplicity and that strong impression that if the girl would know what he's up too (and thus his real experience behind the actions, words etc) she'd feel betrayed. And that's something which means real intimacy (intellectual, emotional, etc) between the two individuals is actually made harder. And this is the real reason why guys never dare to talk about pick up with girls. If you want to be happy within a relationship, real intimacy is what you want, and that is also what the girl will want ultimately. Game is serious challenge to intimacy and vulnerability. I see a lot of guy chasing mirages and holding fake conceptions about male/female dynamics as true, and then try to embody that inauthentic crap.

@zazen The problem is that Game is used an umbrella word. So it's got everything in it: what I see as principles part of a healthy masculine attraction development line and pure garbage. I will never blame men for making themselves attractive and learning the "white magic" of Game. I wrote posts on the subject in the past. So strong, positive masculinity with social skills is OBVIOUSLY encouraged. But this shouldn't necessarily be named "Game", as "Game" has heavy connotation with PUA culture. Though, the behavior, technics and usage I see called as Game in here isn't always that. There is a lot of toxic shit going actually going against masculine improvement. It is this aspect of Game I abhorre and complain about.

You're writing this post like something is wrong with me.

Is it really pertinent to write back a comment relying on such minutiae, knowing there are plenty of individuals (including me) writing in english as a second language? You should get the gist of what I mean, as it isn't rocket science. Game (as described by Leo) comes off to me as manipulative. And it is used primarily to get into woman's pants (isn't the video named "How to get laid"?).

I've issued 2 complains for seeing this type of post written by one of your mods. While the posts themselves are obviously more cringy and stupid than anything else, I'm still wondering why no one has been blushing at that situation? And why is this person still worthy of assessing whether a person deserves warnings or points taken after being caught writing such backwards bs?

I do agree with this. Actually, the day Leo released his video on "How to get laid", I thought about leaving the forum. While the video itself was better than I expected, it still feels at the bottom like Leo is encouraging his followers to deceive women for the purpose of using them as handkerchief, regardless of feminine welfare. I'm also not surprised to see many posts coming from a place of hurt and a feeling of betrayal, written by women since then. This seems to be the natural consequence coming from deciding to make of Game a golden standard.

Yeah. You can't keep on investing a lot of energy when he's putting some minimal effort. Things needs to be rather even, otherwise he'll just assume you're his toy. But It's already cool you guys met. That was all brave of you, to make this happen. I'd just wait for him to initiate, now.

Ohhhh then, never mind the comment I made. I assumed he was in a relationship due to what you said above. ^ Then, the space is cleared. Wonderful! Well, then... I'd still wait for him to make a move, now. This guy doesn't sound like an helpless innocent dove when it comes to girls. If he's interested enough he should write you, seriously. No excuses!

@somegirl He's got a long time girlfriend. That's mostly your issue there. What is he going to do with the two of you?

That guy is still a mod?

@ivankiss A friend of mine had a feminist, artist prostitute as a grandmother. There are some women who do this job and somewhat find a lot of beauty in it. Maybe try to find one of them. You'll be a better client for her than most.

Curing the average guy of his fear of intimacy feels more desperate than teaching mules algebra. But you might be into something.

I do. ?Bitter man! Useless if your saliva is dripping out of your mouth and you assign a shit ton of value to the said look. The energy is still there.

It's almost like it is as difficult as flipping your mind. Only you can do that, of course. But the leading part is what I've been disagreeing with.

You blind, bruh . It's obviously the contrary. The average men treat intimacy like cats afraid of water. Nor emotions, vulnerability or even trusting females are a masculine forte.

No. I do reply. Of course, objective factors are always noticed, but my point is that quality attraction revolves around BOTH objective and subjective factors. When 1/2 is filed, I don't blink much. Whether it's for me or for them. That's only true if we meet in social settings where my looks is primarily what will be noticed, which are environments I try to avoid. Also, guys don't have to always start conversations or social interaction with women on the basis of their look or attraction level, you know. If you have guy friends (I'm assuming your not attracted to them), you could totally also conceive how men can engage in all kind of relationships with women without sexual intent being the primary cause as a start. Approach in the sense of Game is not the only way to meet people. I would even say, most interaction start through randomness, and not cold approach.

Most guys approaching me through a cold approach or in a club will not get my number because there will be likely zero resonance between us. Obviously, what drives his choice at this point is just the body, and I'm only interested in people holistically willing to consider me. By not giving it away, I'm saving time for him and for myself. Though, I give my number very easily each time other factors get involved. So, I follow up gladly, except if it crosses the line and shows an excessive sexual intent. This is a good sign of being actually fuck zoned and I don't like that.

@Leo Gura Which is why most girls are obviously just good enough for a low investment good lay in a club.

@Vzdoh It's resonance, compatibility, maturity and timing that will make him commit to you.

As we say "Ubi societas, ibi ius. Ergo: ubi homo, ibi ius". This means that where the human being is, there is a society. And where there is a society, there is law. We need rules to live together, and always have. If the law is not codified like it is today, it is existing as per custom and general principles known by everyone, which is transmitted orally or by examples and socially enforced via standards. That it is still a form of law. I also don't see humanity ever reaching a point where we'd all live through love and truth. It seems to me like all humans are designed to go through ego development stages before arriving at this point, which give per default enough room for a set of wrongful behavior. So at least until maturation, there would still be a good portion of people in development (if only children, teenagers and young adults) potentially doing some mischiefs. But it seems clear that in advanced societies there is much less crimes and felonies of all kind. These come from imprinting on society with violent patterns, scarcity and high anomie. I would estimate that in a very very advanced society most major infractions would be rare.

Not really. That was for the lolz. These songs are like the ultimate cliché. Perhaps the type of thing that are so bad it gets good.