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@OBEler Lol, it makes me feel childish to do stuff like that, but I guess it makes sense.

@Someone here The idea that there is a “you” that could “lie on a bed” is a dream. There is no reality except in this dream that we call reality. Your reality is made up of a bunch of pixels that you then group together into objects and then group into mental constructs that exist through time, which is itself just another pixel that says other pixels are changing. There is no change because there is no 2 different moments of time that an object can exist differently in. There is no past or future, there is only “now”. Although I think even to say “now” is incorrect as that is still operating within the framework of time. I don’t know if this makes sense but this is my best guess.

@Leo Gura is true understanding creation?

@martins name Lol, cool.

@martins name Well, from a Nihilist perspective enlightenment isn’t the only meaningful thing, because nothing is meaningful. Also, nothing is bad according to moral nihilism. You can also say that everything is leading to enlightenment whether you know it or not, or that every experience is an enlightenment experience, both of which make it so that it is the only meaningful thing from a relative level, because there is nothing really distinct from it. I’m not that enlightened either, although I had a cessation like 3 months ago, so I think my insight is a lot higher right now than it would usually be.

@martins name I see, I do think there is a lot to gain though from making sure your language matches what you find to be true: so when you say something like it’s bad to think that enlightenment is the only meaningful thing in life, this isn’t truthful to nihilism, but maybe I’m just misreading you as I basically agree with your response.

@martins name I don’t really understand why people get so attached to meaning: where does meaning come from? If you look up a word in a dictionary you get more words. Even if someone points to a dog and tells you the word “dog”, that process involves drawing a distinction between the dog and it’s surroundings and a whole lot of other meanings your brain/mind presupposes. Meaning comes from meaning which comes from meaning ad infinitum: it is a strange loop, and just like the strange loop of “I”, it is ultimately an illusion. Here’s another way to look at it: why must the ground of everything be nothing? Because if the ground was something that something would have to be something and not anything else. Nothingness (real nothingness, not just a concept), isn’t anything and thus can be anything. Similarly, it is only through meaningless that there can be infinite meaning. So is there meaning? Yes and no and you are God so you decide; personally I find Nihilism liberating and a source of great happiness.

https://youtu.be/A0UTQ2SdZJg

@JosephKnecht Nobody needs anything really, after all: you could just die(;

@tatsumaru If everything is fine then it is fine to not think that everything is fine. I don’t think there is really any “should” in spirituality. There is no reason you should or should not be an entrepreneur. If you are going to be an entrepreneur that is fine, same if you are not going to be one. Do what you want, and if you don’t know what you want just make your best guess. Of course, not doing what you want is completely fine too, so no worries if you think you make bad guesses right now. From a truly spiritual perspective, IMO - even spirituality isn’t something you should do or something that is good to do(;

@Leo Gura Haha, thanks!

@Leo Gura Would it also be fair to say that the highest truth is happiness, as at a relatively high level the two become indistinguishable? Does truth ever not lead to greater long-term happiness?

@Hulia True, unfortunately.

@Hulia Isn’t everything transient though? Eventually, even you life will end. Eventually (supposedly) the universe will undergo thermal heat-death or something. I agree with you though that happiness isn’t really what people want, but I have no idea of what a better metric would be. Integration? Peace? Love? Nothingness? Anything you want bc everything is equal? Anything at all? I have no idea.

@Hulia sure. I have had insights that have convinced me that we do everything out of love, and I think Leo had a video about survival that talks about this topic in detail, but I think we both agree on the most important thing: you should always try to do what leads to the greatest happiness.