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The feeling of happiness and peace itself is a soft and simple ZERO. but what gives that feeling of happiness an apparently different feel each time is the level of tension/longing which is built up until the goal has been accomplished. > Walking down the road. You see a pretty girl/guy, you have thoughts about them, create a story and so on... Movement away from what is. Goal post has been created. > Sitting at home. Out of no where, think about eating something delicious... Movement away from what is. Goal post has been created. Creating the goal post ahead, scoring the goal and then repeat. That's how you function in life. They key is realize that it may still happen that way. But you will be disidentified from it. As simply the awareness of this play. You at rest with no desires or wants are at peace. Which is the same as happiness. Happiness is what you call peace once it is had after a goal is accomplished. In telling of a joke or watching a suspenseful drama... The tension is built up and we want the release of this tension in form of a resolution. A question is asked which requires an answer to be understood to take care of that question. Simply staying in this state of zero/peace can be boring and difficult at first. Your ego finds this as sitting on a giant hot stove. It wants to move away from it and draw you away from it. Overtime, you will find to be at peace just as you are. By staying in this state for long and simply being. Then, no matter what questions your mind poses or no matter what situation arises. You will remain and watch from your eternal home of peace... Not drawn in... You will remain at zero and not let any tension build up for yourself. The ego mind will be going thru those emotions, you will have fallen simply as its background.

@Jack River yes yes. Your posts are getting more and more clearer to me. The "notice" or "be aware" words you use give that for me. Thanks. @Gabriel Antonio correct. Calm the mind initially and then let it be free and do it's thing. You just watch it. And yes, you're right, I should change that out of the signature... Or make it towards a different lesson.

"Generally we are more interested in experiencing phenomena (which are things other than ourself) than we are in experiencing ourself, so throughout most of our waking and dream life we attend to phenomena rather than to ourself. This habit of ours needs to be changed, and we can change it only by persistently trying to be aware of ourself alone in preference to being aware of anything else. This is why I said that it is necessary for us to be attentively self-aware. It is not sufficient just to be self-aware, because we are always self-aware, whether or not we are also aware of anything else, so in order to be aware of ourself alone and thereby to destroy our ego we need to be attentively self-aware."

@Sahil Pandit thank you for the share bro

@DarjeelingTea have you taken psydellics? If you have taken them, you wouldn't be asking this question. Your understanding about what's real and what's "real" will change

Ok So just had a mind fuck in regards to this topic. Random example, maybe a bit to drastic, but here it is. Let's take this current moment / reality in which we all agree that Michael Jackson died in 2009. Now, there's a way in which if one wills strongly enough and has a deep enough faith about jumping timelines/realities such that when i wake up tomorrow, and search online or wherever else. It turns out he is alive and he didn't die. Alive n singing in 2019!! Now my memory of the fact that he died will be there but nobody else will have this experience... Maybe select few (as is the case with mandela effect) but this is true. Each of us is jumping into infinite varients of parallel realities each moment/second We tend to shift to the one we likely expect to happen next or makes linear sense Mental Jerking here. But understood how this is so. Also, expanding this... The whole, "you create the life outside of you... Or you're responsible for whenever you are in life circumstances..." Makes sense This also means that my siblings and parents from when I was 10 years aren't the "same" My sister from example could be in a totally different timeline than me... Sure. She still is here in my timeline... But the same 10 year old sister branching out into other infinitely many timelines. And i, likewise, in her timeline maybe never made this account of soonHei So on. I think i have made my point and rambled enough Just some Friday night jotting.

Had a deep seeing yesterday... Which kinda got clouded... After listening to some guided tracks and seeing a post today on a Facebook page i have a question. That which i discovered is the state of peace and happiness, the I AM feeling state... Where is all questions, once answered, return to. Thus the end of seeking knowledge about who Am I? Remaining in that I AM state and marinating in the peace. Spiritual teachers and those who have had awakenings always say, "it's the most obvious thing" (once you get it, that is) as it is normally always overlooked in our moment to moment experience Is this, the I Am state of peace, the obvious state which is missed? Or is seeing thru the entire thing and getting full non-dual awareness is what's referred to when many often say it's the most obvious thing The I AM feeling, is that where one ends up after exhausting their spiritual seeking, pertaining to the mental/mind questions? Because i feel that's where i am right now. I didn't have a full non dual awareness Maybe i am taking what i have heard too seriously... Just wanna know what that "it's so obvious" refers to... Seeing of the whole oneness or just missing the fact that peace and happiness lies in that I AM state.. ?

The Desire for Absence I have always felt that there is such a thin line between what is here and what is not. All of this ‘stuff’ is only pretending to be real and solid. In fact none of it has any real substance. Even this person that I am supposed to be, when I look to find myself, I don’t find anyone or anything. It is all very surreal. I am here, and yet I am not. I feel, see, hear, experience and seem to fully participate in living as a person in this life, and yet nothing is happening at all. Time seems to tick, and I seem to be getting older and closer to the ultimate disappearance that is death, and yet death is here all the time - beyond time. The mind deals in time and space, negotiating between me and the rest of the world. But beyond all of that, there is no need for any negotiation, because there is no time or space. I love to see it like Death is only pretending to be alive. Nothing is only playing at being something. And in this playing at being something or someone, there is always the pull to disappear into the nothing. The absence calls out from beyond all the ‘stuff’, constantly stating the only true reality. It is the mystery of life, and we long to fall into that mystery and disappear. But at the same time, all that seems to be here is the play of this and that, you and me. We all have some sense of that nothingness. It underlies everything that we do or feel. Mostly we are struggling to avoid being swallowed up into the void. Without all of that effort to prove our importance and worth as a person, we are terrified to fall into that emptiness. We long for it, and at the same time, run from it. The push/pull of life and death is the great paradox of reality. Living in the world as someone, sometimes has felt such an effort. Being the nothing that I am, there is no effort required. There is no problem, no discomfort, no issues, no drama. But being someone, it can seem as if I have to carry the world on my shoulders. I am supposed to know the rules of this society. I am supposed to have a purpose and a goal. I am supposed to know how to live, and even how to die. I have always felt that push/pull of longing for the total loss of control, and absolute surrender and peace of death, and then also the everyday reality of living as this person. Sometimes I longed to lose myself totally, and not have to live this life of being someone. It seemed to be such a burden to have to carry. I longed for it all to just stop. It was too much to handle. It was too much to deal with. I became very depressed and even suicidal, because I felt I couldn’t deal with it all. I was trying so hard to do it. In order to be someone, I was desperately struggling against the nothingness. Trying to push myself into the world. Trying to hold it all together. After a while I discovered that I couldn’t win this struggle. I had to let go and drown. When I let go of control and fall into the emptiness that is always here right now, it is so much easier. There is no conflict between what is, and what isn’t. It is only the mind that wants to land in one side or the other. It is in fact a paradox of both. I don’t need to even understand it. All that is happening, is simultaneously not happening. Consciously acknowledging that, brings peace. Death is already here. The absence that I long for is already here, and at the same time life seems to go on being lived. I am not in control of any of it. I don’t need to do any of it. In fact, it, is doing me. Article written for the Dutch magazine Inzicht.

You come under the law of karma […] when you believe you're not awakened, you're not free, you're not liberated when you react to person, place or thing. […] I know there are many people in Advaita Vedanta who tell me, "Well you know Robert karma does not exist. Only the Self exists. Only effortless pure awareness exists. So why are you telling us about karma?" In truth you have to look at yourself and ask yourself, "Have I experienced pure awareness? Have I experienced absolute reality? I can't afford to put on an act. It will only go against me." […] So while we're on the path to liberation we have to be very careful what we do with our lives. Every little thing is karmic. It is only when you awaken, when you are liberated that none of this exists. This is why I tell you so often, "Do not fool yourself." Look at how many times a day you become angry. You feel cheated, you feel exploited. You feel something is wrong someplace. You feel depressed. You go and do something to cause this condition to stop and whatever you do you're accruing karma. There is only one way to overcome this. And that is to forget about the world, forget about your body, forget about situations and go deep within yourself inquiring, "To whom does this come? Who is experiencing karma?" […] Karma seems to be real and you're affected with it all day long. Whatever you do, wherever you go you're always affected by karma. It is karma that moves your body. It is karma that makes you do things. It is karma that causes situations to come into your life. Do not try to change a condition. Do not intend to change the situation. For you may appear to change it but this is only an appearance. It will come back again in full force. There is only one way to get rid of it and that is to transcend it by forgiveness, mercy and love. And as you practice forgiveness, mercy and love you inquire, "To whom all this is coming to? Who is experiencing these things? Who is going through all these things?" And again you will discover the I-thought, "I am. I am going through all of these things. I appear to be going through karma. I appear to be suffering. I appear to want to get even with someone." You're beginning to realize it's not you. It is the I. Which is only a thought. Just knowing this alone makes you feel good. For you begin to see that you are free. You are bright and shining. You are sat-chit-ananda, nirvana, ultimate oneness. . It is the I that appears to have the problems. You separate yourself from the I, by self-inquiry. And then you can go further by inquiring, "Where did the I come from?" You never answer that question. By inquiring that is sufficient. And you will find that you're in the silence, the void. Just by going this far you will feel better than you've felt in years. You will feel such joy and such peace. This has nothing to do with enlightenment. But you're going to feel joy and peace. More so than you ever felt before. Just by inquiring, "Where does the I come from?" The reason that you feel such joy and peace is because you begin to realize that you are not the I. You have absolutely nothing to do with the problems of the I. It is the I that feels anger. It is the I that feels pain. It is the I that feels rejection. But you ask yourself, "What have I got to do with I? I have absolutely nothing to do with the I." Therefore again you ask, "Then where did the I come from? Who gave it birth? What is its source?" And you keep quiet. A feeling of total love will overpower you. For you're learning to sit in the silence. . That's the most important point. You want to get to the place where thoughts do not bother you, where things do not annoy you. Where there are no problems and there are no solutions. Where there is no good and there's no bad. You want to get beyond duality and rest in the silence. Many of you are getting a glimpse of what I'm talking about right now, as you rest in the silence. You're not thinking about it, you're not trying to analyze it, you're not trying to make it happen, you're just resting in the silence. Perfectly still. All of a sudden thoughts come up again. You start over again. You begin again. You inquire, "To whom do these thoughts come? Who is thinking these thoughts? I am? If I is thinking these thoughts then it has absolutely nothing to do with me. It appears to me as if everything is attached to the I. All of the emotions, the fears, the frustrations, it's all attached to the I." Again you say, "Where did the I come from? What is the source of I? Who gave it birth?" You never attempt to answer. You sit in the silence. . Some of you are beginning to feel how good it is to sit in the silence right now. The mind is completely empty. The fears are gone. There is nothing left to tell you anything. You are quiet, still. Thoughts pop up again. It makes no difference if they're good thoughts, bad thoughts or in-between. The whole idea is to empty the mind of all thoughts. You inquire again, "Who is thinking these thoughts? I am? Who am I? What is the source of I? Who gave it birth? Where does this I come from that is giving me all this trouble and keeps thinking and thinking? And bringing up to me all these morbid thoughts, all sorts of happy thoughts, all sorts of thoughts. Where did this I come from? What is its source?" And again you enter the silence. Where everything is totally still. Where there is no movement. The vasanas have disappeared. There is just perfect stillness. You're beginning to discover something very interesting. You're beginning to discover that you´re able to sit in the silence for longer and longer periods without thought. It's taking longer and longer before a thought comes to you. . Yet you are not falling asleep. You're feeling a peace that you've never felt before. You're beginning to feel an all encompassing love. You begin to experience that the whole universe is an emanation of your own mind. And what you have done is you have pulled the entire universe into your heart, everything! All of the galaxies, the milky ways, the planets, the earth with all of it's manifestations, everything has vanished. That's total silence. […] […] When you're sitting in the silence and the world is still available to you that is not silence. That's a false silence. The true silence is when the whole world, the whole universe, people, places and things have all disappeared. You have pulled them back into the heart centre. That is the true silence. For there is no longer anything to think about. Everything is gone. There is just the void. The beautiful precious void. And you're beginning to sit in that void, in that silence for longer and longer periods. When you come out of it the world appears to you again but it's different. It begins to be different for you. You no longer look at the world in the same way. You no longer see the universe in the same way. You begin to feel everything as an image. You see images on the screen of life. The images keep changing, changing, changing but the screen is always the same. And something begins to tell you that you are that screen. You have always been the screen. Unchanging, absolute pure reality. . But you are not free yet. This comes and it goes. Little by little the thoughts come back again. You begin to feel anger again but less than you did before. You begin to have less interest in your body. The things about your body that used to bother you stop bothering you, stop annoying you. People no longer make you angry or frustrated. This happens little by little. And you can't wait to practice again. When you are by yourself and you're not disturbed you sit down in your favorite chair and you begin to inquire, "To whom do these thoughts come? Why they come to me. I still feel thoughts. Maybe less than I did before but I still feel things," you further inquire, "who is the I that feels these things? Where did the I come from? Who gave birth to this feeling I? What is its source?" And now you begin to feel that the I is only a thought. It is one of the thoughts that you've been thinking about all these years called the I-thought. Yet everything is attached to it and you keep seeing it and thinking about it. But now you're inquiring, "To whom does it come? Who's feeling it? What is its source?" . And you go back into the silence. Now every time you get into the silence you feel better and better. You feel lighter and lighter. The world again, the universe they're getting sucked into your heart. The whole universe has gone. All existence has disappeared. Including yourself. There is nothing but the silence. (long silence) (...) Om ... shanti, shanti, shanti, peace. -- Robert Adams, T136: The True Silence

YOUR TRUE NATURAL STATE = the body of water. totally at peace. in bliss and joy. Then a fish jumps out of the water. The fish jumps out of the water and lands on the riverbank. It flips and flops as it suffers... It longs to return back to the water. Another fish also jumps out, lands at the riverbank... flips and flops and then eventually goes back into the water. There are many fishes which have jumped out of the water, they flip and flop and make their way back to the water or die while trying and suffering at the riverbank. The fishes are your thoughts. All desires/projections/questions you ask are fishes jumping on the riverbank... and until that question is answered, or desire is had or a fear is overcome, the fish remains at the riverbank... suffering... you are not at peace. you have an itch. when you ask how do i get enlightened or how will i have an awakening - you are jumping out of the water and you suffer in the search for the answer... the answer is the water! jump back into the water and stay there. while in the water, realize that you are already where you need to be. that is enlightenment. that is awakening. that is the pathless path of ignorance. when the ego/mind is told to be still and remain calm and remain silent. it does not get it that the peace and silence is a simple ordinary experience. that is happiness. the end of the activity of the mind. asking questions about it... like how will that help me get awakened or enlightened is another fish jumping out of the water... you cannot be awakened/be at peace until all of your fish are back in the water. and remain there. now fishes still may will jump out of the water even after you get this. however, you will then know that you are water, which is at peace, in bliss, in happiness. you will simply watch the fish as you watch the clouds in the sky until the fish jumps back into the water you will not suffer from it's suffering because you are no longer identified or giving weight to the thought/question idea. rest in your INNER PEACE <3

@Aakash "the experiencer is you and the experience is also you you are aware of yourself at all times" Love it.

Thanks And thank you @Mu_ I feel that with the new Technology available to us... Making illustrations of what the truth is gets easier. Like wearing a VR headset... If all of the contents of the VR headset you see (360°) became YOU. You as the perceiver would be at the center of it and yet "separate" (outside) from it... Separate but intimately so.

@ActualizedDavid they mean anything you believe they do. Just like in India, if someone shows signs of schizophrenia they would be said to be possessed The label or meaning can be anything. But what is, remains. Heck if you show 777, 111, 222 etc to someone living in a Brazilian Forrest who has never seen them, they won't even know it to be "numbers" . They will see it for what it is. All meaning is just agreed upon The absolute natute of it, is just itself. No meaning means infinite meaning Nothing and everything 0 and infinity

@Amun hahaha . Love it

@now is forever thank you. Yes, the next seeing whenever i get Intune with it. The plan is just to be... Be still and be it all. Bless

@Anton Rogachevski got it. Indeed. Just an extreme recontextualization such also has an energetic component linked with feeling it as well @Mu_ pertaining to the seeing of the obvious. I am sure, though it cannot be pointed to (and i know why) i get the sense of what it is like (at best it is a map to the territory) But it's like if you could go META to Reality (which you can't) then lets say if i were in a room in my present experience... What "I" am in that case is the entirety of the room with a centered POV from my eyes looking out (Nothing changes visually) i become my entire visual field, physically so... Such that these words used by some like "i couldn't run away from my self..." Makes sense Of course. At best this is a map. And yes. The focus will be to remain in that simple content state of I AM as much so. God bless.

@Jack River @Serotoninluv <3 bless up

Hmmm. Thank you all. One thing for certain. Based on what all you have said. The I AM state that i was talking about is very "basic" Unless it IS supposed to be very basic. As Jim Newman says, it's just too obvious for the ego and ego thinks it's something magical. I am not talking about the full non-dual experience which I presume is far more obvious and thus much much much more easily overlooked. @Mu_ the I AM state which I was talking about was simply this: During one of my meditation sits, had a series of thoughts, question what is enlightenment, what is my true nature, where am I? Etc... When something I had read popped in my mind... That end of seeking these answers is the ending of thought. And that's what happened, my mind quited in the moment. I just was. Eyes closed. And no thought. I had my full sense of body. Aware that I, this body-mind is sitting and meditating but have no thoughts. Juat felt at peace. Understood that this is what thoughts loop back into. Question arising or any desire or any voice in the head is exactly what the ego is. I can go back in that state by quickly asking myself AM I AWARE and just pausing there after I recognize that blank aware state. That's what I am calling the I AM state. Unsure, if the I AM state is actually a much deeper state which maybe you guys thought I was referring to? Though, I also spoke with some others and they did advice that's a good recognition in the process and now I should stay in that blank I AM state of peace through the day, working, driving ... Just as much as possible. So yeah, theres that. Appreciate everyone's response! Thank you guys. @Serotoninluv @Nahm @Anton Rogachevski @Jack River

The journey ends right where it begins. This is it. An amazing share below as well: There is nothing that you have to become or be. . . . Think of all the people running around looking for liberation, looking for realization. Who wants to be liberated? The ego. There is no ego. There is no one to be liberated, but you continue doing it. You continue carrying on your deeds, you continue believing that you exist. Remember, never put lion's milk in a clay pot. So why are you here? You want a teaching. You want a lesson. You want a mantra. You're looking for a way out. All this keeps you back. Your searching, your seeking keeps you back. It doesn't make you fulfilled. It doesn't do anything for you. Awakening is a joke. Liberation is a joke. My sitting here talking to you is a joke, for you think you have to find something, you think you have to achieve something, you think you have to become something. This is what the scriptures mean by attachment. You're attached to your mind, and its false beliefs. The so-called mind tells you that something is this way and something is that way, this is good and this is bad, this is right and this is wrong, and you react to it, bringing more problems into your so called existence. But, wouldn't it be beautiful if you could just awaken one morning and realize you don't exist, that you never existed, and no one exists, there's no existence whatsoever? Then where would you be? Who knows? But as long as you believe that you exist, you're going to stick up for your rights, you're going to fight for survival, you're going to seek wisdom. It is all very funny to me. Even when I tell you to wake up, there's really no one to wake up, for no one's ever gone to sleep. To wake up you have to be asleep. Who sleeps? You may say, "The body, the mind sleeps," but there is no body, there is no mind. There never was. [!] . All the teachings you've been through are a waste of time, the struggling, running all over the world looking for Masters and teachers, reading all these scriptures in detail, to what avail? Why do you think you need these things? All you really have to do is understand what I am talking about. Ponder what I say. And then forget it. Do not hold on to thoughts, to words, to messages. The reason the bird sings beautifully, and exists so beautifully, is because it doesn't know it's a bird. It doesn't know it's anything. It has no idea what it is. We give it a name, bird. We could have given it the name cow. We call a bird a bird and we call a cow a cow. We give names to all these things, but these things just are. They aren't here, they aren't there. They aren't good, they aren't bad. They just are, and the same with you. You are not this and you are not that, you just are. There is nothing you have to do, absolutely nothing you have to do. [!] Think of all the years you've spent studying. Where's it all going to lead? What will become of it? You may have altruistic attitudes, believe that you're doing good for the world, for the future of this world, but this world has no future. It never did, it never will. As I mentioned in the beginning, we have had millions of civilizations on this earth, they've come and they've gone. Civilizations that surpassed where we are now. It's all gone. What I'm trying to say is you can't do any good for anybody. Everything is right just the way it is. Nothing in this world needs improvement. The improvement idea comes into your own mind. You believe you are a person, you believe you think, then the ideas come to you, what you can do to improve the world, and you try, and you try, and you try, to no avail. You must know yourself as no thing. Do not look at yourself as something. Always bear in mind, there is absolutely nothing you have to do. This is how you become happy, peaceful, joyous, for when there is nothing in the mind, happiness itself becomes prevalent. . Awaken from this mortal dream. [!] When I say this ask yourself, "Who has to awaken?" "Who is there who has to awaken?" The way you make progress‚ if there's any progress to be made, is by contradicting everything I say. Again, when I say, "Wake up," ask yourself, "who is there to wake up?" When I say, "Drop everything," inquire, "who's to drop everything?" In other words, what you're doing is you're saying there never was anybody or anything that has to wake up or to drop. Nothing like that exists. There's no one who exists like that. Can't you see now why there is nothing to say, really? Can you see all the words are redundant, superfluous? We can play all sorts of games if we want to, do all sorts of mantras, tantric techniques. We can do all of these things, but for what, to what avail? You just have to know that you are nobody, there's absolutely nothing to do, and no one exists. [!] This relieves you of everything, doesn't it? It relieves you of all responsibility to yourself and to the world. Again, what I'm telling you will not turn you into a vegetable, where you just sit on a log and contemplate your navel. If you're listening to me correctly, you will do whatever you're doing now but you'll be happier than you've ever been in your life, because you'll realize that it doesn't matter. You'll know there's nobody really doing anything. Yet you will be doing the work that you usually do, if you want to do that. You will appear to be living a human existence, but you will know there's nobody left to do anything. The doer is gone. There's no doer. The doer has been completely wiped out. [!] . Some of you still believe that if you become this way you'll become so sarcastic and belligerent, you will not care, you will not be loving and kind, but this is not true. On the contrary, as you drop everything, as you let go of all your preconceived ideas, your dogmas, as you forget all of your rituals and all the things you've been doing all your life, what we call LOVE begins to function as you. What we call COMPASSION begins to function as you. LOVING KINDNESS, PEACE, these attributes will automatically take over, for you have lost all fear. When you have lost all fear for existence, LOVE automatically takes over. But as long as you fear existence and you think something's wrong somewhere, then the mind blows up all kinds of pictures, and you have to go out and defend yourself and do things, for your own self aggrandizement. (pause) Never put goat's milk in a wooden pot. [silence] -- Robert Adams, T170: It’s All A Cosmic Joke

@Preetom bless up <3

In this verse Sri Ramana explains in a few very simple words how we can put an end to the illusory appearance of this primal thought ‘I’. Since every thought that rises in our mind is formed and known only by our first thought ‘I’, and since our first thought ‘I’ rises from and always depends upon our essential consciousness of being, ‘I am’, whatever thought may rise, we can know it only because we first know ‘I am’. Thus every thought can serve as a reminder to us of our own being. In order to show us how we can make the rising of any thought an opportunity for us to remember our being, Sri Ramana gives us the simple formula, ‘To whom? To me. What is the place from which I rise?’ By giving us this formula, Sri Ramana does not mean that we should constantly question ourself, ‘To whom has this thought occurred? Only to me. What is the place from which this “me” has risen?’. What he means is that we should use any thought that rises to remind ourself of our thinking mind, which we now feel to be ‘I’, because remembering this ‘I’ that thinks and knows each thought will in turn remind us of our essential consciousness of our own being, ‘I am’, which underlies the feeling that we are thinking and knowing thoughts, and which is thus the ‘place’ or source from which our thinking mind arises. That is, whatever thought rises, we should remember, ‘I know this thought because I am’, and thereby we should turn our attention away from the thought towards our own essential consciousness of being – our real self-consciousness ‘I am’. When we thus turn our attention towards our consciousness of being, ‘I am’, our mind, which had risen to think thoughts, will begin to subside in our true self-conscious being, which is the source from which it has risen. If we are able to focus our attention wholly and exclusively upon our consciousness of being, our mind will subside completely into the innermost core of our being, and thus we will experience our own true being with absolutely unadulterated clarity of non-dual self- consciousness. When we once experience our true being with such perfect clarity, we will discover that we are the non-dual infinite spirit, and thus we will destroy for ever the illusion that we are a body, a mind or anything other than that spirit. When this illusion is thus destroyed, the dream of duality,which depends upon it, will also come to an end. -- Michael James Chapter 3 - The Nature of Our Mind Happiness of Being via Ramana Maharshi Foundation UK

@Mikael89 sorry if no cigar... this is just bubbling out of a deep experience i had yesterday i finally found myself in the pauses between the thoughts or no thoughts altogether but not only that, i remain during the thoughts as well you signature says, who or what is the see-er? the see-er IS and is seen by THAT and THAT is all there is

Yup. All of them. Including this. The seeing is getting stronger

Lose the " I " who seeks or searches or asks questions... Just watch it... Watch it until it disappears. Nonduality . . . the myth Apparently . . . Although there is no such thing as nonduality it seems that there are many different ideas about what it could be. Because the separate seeker experiences everything as a subject object reality it is inevitable that it will see nonduality as a something that can be personally attained and experienced. It will also be seen as a state of no-self that can be taught or energetically transferred. Attempts are made to use the idea of nonduality as a description of the unknown? It is often talked about as a something that needs to be integrated, nurtured and supported? There are even conferences held about its evolutionary development and its possible outcome in another something called the future? It is amazing how many different beliefs and theories can arise about nothing. The term nonduality is just that. It is a term similar to Advaita, and refers to the concept of “not two”. The idea of there being “not two” is attempting to define a mystery. The mystery cannot be named or known, of course, but there are certain descriptions which get somewhere near: the formless form, the relative absolute, the empty fullness or what is and is not, which all defy definition and make no sense. All of these ideas are immediately rejected by the separate seeker who is entirely invested in its own survival and seeks an answer that will satisfy its own experience of reality. Empty fullness cannot be taught or experienced, for how and where would it be found if it is already all there is? Where would there be a place to stand and know or be aware of nothing and everything? However, isn’t it wonderful that the dualistic confusion which surrounds something called nonduality is already empty fullness. -- Tony Parsons; February 2018