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Btw General question, Who are enlightened . members on this forum. I ask because listening to their point of view as coming from the absolute and in the nowness helps me learn more. I know winterknight is one But not sure about any others? I know leo says he isn't Who else is? Mu? Nahm?

@Joseph Maynor yes! Indeed It's a different possibility within the absolute! Btw, how long has been since your enlightenment? I think u are yes? Sorry cant recall

@Viking i feel strongly that the realization IS the happening of unconditional love! They are one. The true total unconditional love is only in the same frame as of the realization as inner = outer

Dont think this is device specific @Leo Gura Just have been having it since Thursday. Better now.

@Serotoninluv wow. Cool. Thanks. Can't wait Also was thinking before about taking a guided meditation track with me But i think going in blank and silent will be cool Hopefully the cool stuff DOES arise!

I am gonna be trying a bath float tomorrow Supposed to be really good and boost a meditation practice. Was wondering if anyone here has tried and what their was experience like...

@cetus56 i think i am well aware of what it was you woke up with Happy Friday to ya <3

Had a dream last night. It Was going all smoothly until something happened and in the dream after which I started having an argument with my sister which got pretty heated. As it got more intense, I felt more and more involved and angry in the dream until whatever I was saying to her with intensity and anger woke me up on the bed saying the same exact words. I stopped instantly of course. And had an insight right after. Up until the anger, the fight/argument, the dream was going all nice and smooth as they do... You don't have a sense of effort in the dream as you do in the waking state... But as soon as i went from being a watcher to being involved via the anger (strong ego in the dream) it became hellish and strong... Same idea with the waking state... Being as the witness to all that happens would move it forward smoothly, no effort or issues. But as we get more involved or especially angry, it starts to feel burdensome and contraction. I awoke in the dream to the waking state with that ... Not so easy in the waking state... Anyways, thought I'd share this

I am not familiar with the terms solopisms / nihilism (unsure if they are the same thing - the idea that only I (as the ego-self) exist and the "others" do not exist separate from my existence. That is not what I am sharing in this post. Rather, it's a version of that which I believe is the case. As there are infinte possibilities at each passing moment and I only have access to my POV, what happens next is known to me, in MY dream. Others who appear in my dream (all of you, my family memebrs) are a reflection of my current state / experieince. Each passing moment, the others who exist in that frame are an intersection with my frame. for example, my brother and I ten years ago, are not the same today. same as my parents and everyone else. It could be that the frame where my brother and I 10 years ago were in together, could look infintely / significantly different than my frame as of today. i could have died in a version of reality for him or something else the point being, i am always "alive" or here/now in my POV and frame of reference had a bit of this insight from watching that new netflix show... for example, if i "die" in a car crash on my way to work, i might wake up instantly and still find that i didn't leave the bed... others die in your version of the dream.. but your dream cannot continue without you infinte possibilities interlinked during each passing frame/moment of reality i had a bad trip on synthetic product once... i was blacked out for like 10-15 mins.. and my friends who were there descibred to me that i was screaming on the top of my voice for the whole time and yelling and kicking and rolling, we were in my car and they kinda held me down, but it was a nightmare for them now the momement before i took this substance and my friends there... if we take a POV for one of my friends, in his dream, i could have died as well and not come back after the 10-15 mins... of course in my version of the dream where i returned, i have a version of him who experineced this particular story of me screaming for 10-15 mins and then returning back each of them could have had a different version... and all versions are possible all infinte versions! so others who exist in your dream/reality/pov are there for that tiny brienf moment with branch out to infinte possiblities... and one of those include the same external world as you.. such as donald trump as president .. many examples. so on... that's what the outside world starts to reflect what you come into contact with / think about such as buying a new car and then seeing other cars like that in your experineces it's not as simple and straightforward as "i am just noticing similar cars to mine as i own it now" the fact that you are noticing them is what's imporant. vs not noticing them before anyhow. kind of a rant here... so yes, there is ONLY MY VERSION OF THE DREAM ... TO ME.. others appearing in my dream, are also me (ultimately) but are different POV intersecting with mine from their infinite stream of possiblities leading to that point and then branching off again.. but they dont dissapear as pixels turning on/off.. you always have pixels in your awareness which will be intersecting with yours my mother who i saw yesterday, is not the same mother today not in the conventional scientific sense that the atoms which made her up are now different and replaced but rather, the whole deal.. heck, forget yesterday, this is the case each passing "second"

just an add-on for this point @winterknight this realization is seen/known by ME - ME being the TRUE (and only) SELF. yes?

Wow Thank you! That's a very simple way for me via that dream analogy. #SelfInqTime

@winterknight dream analogy. i have, for my understanding, previously used this analogy... of how a dream feels so silly and a joke when you wake up from it. i had a stream of thoughts during one of my sits in that, in a dream - though there is an illusion of a do-er... it was all just happening to Me (the sleeping me let's say for the sake of keeping it simple) now add the concept of lucid dream to that, you get a sense of rush and happiness that this is not real, it's a dream, if you were in a sad situation it changes and recontextualizes instantly so on... my question: is it fair to say enlightenment = becoming lucid in this current waking state. nothing changes, just like a lucid dream, but it all becomes a joke/play. and now taking this beyond... unlike a lucid dream, where it is all happening to me ( a body/mind sleeping on a bed) ... for a lucid reality scenario, it is realized that there is no me as a thing sleeping/sitting anywhere. it's just an on-going dream, just appearing in me or *add all the other ways to describe enlightenment*

Was checking out Jim Newman (Tony Parson like dude) and something about his writing made me have this thought. Each of us on here, knows that we are just an idea. We come into being as an illusion... just like a series of pictures drawn on pieces of paper and moved gives life to the cartoon (animation). I just find it silly to believe that we know something to be the case and deeply believe in it, yet we still act out and play our parts all the while continue the search or doing practicing to see this. I guess, that's the whole deal about dropping the concepts. Because we hear this concept and it's just a concept for this ego-self. Some new chapter in the story to continue it. That's why all concepts/stories/ideas must be let-go of and direct experience should be the main focus of attention. having a strong desire for it... Illusory Existing Animated Self. That is literally what each of us is. We know this. I, in typing this post, know this. and what most of us here are searching for is a direct proof of this. We want the end to ourselves and that too is not correct. We do nothing ourselves. We are animated by Life itself flowing through us. I guess I am just looping in a paradox of this reality... One thing J.Newman said that it cannot even be said that there is a recognition or insight that the individual is not real... because WHO has that insight? There was never anyone here to get that... Yet the pursuit is strong as ever (perpetuating it's existence) "Pinching" "my" "skin" so " I " may "wake up" #DirectExperieinceComeGetMe

@QandC hmmmm. even for this.. seems like more work to avoid the realization of TRUTH itself. though you call this a life purpose... but maybe change that.. or aim for something more practical.. this work as being your life purpose impedes the realization of TRUTH (in my perspective at least ) also: QandC: I'm not trying to communicate what Truth or the ultimate perspective actually IS, but rather want to communicate that it exists and is possible to achieve without making it seem like another perspective the last part of that also... again not possible. no matter how it may be done. it will be yet another perspective out of an infinitely many perspectives which can be possible. give that search up with this realization. unless i am again missing out on what your goal might be... but that also seems impossible to me. for example, the insight that "there are no lessons in life" is also a lesson. #Loop #FullCircle

@QandC let me help you right there. if your goal is to have some ultimate perspective which will allow the communication of the truth, then please know that this is impossible truth is not communicable. once you get that, then searching for a way to communicate it is silly. it's like as Leo once said in a video... looking for a needle in a haystack and then realizing that there is no needle... will one continue to seek a non-existent needle? EDIT: actually just found it. it's not in a video. but in a post he made Think of it this way: you are looking for a needle in a haystack, but this is no ordinary needle. In this case the needle is literally the realization there was no needle to begin with!

@lmfao yup. i also end up getting twisted in my mind often about how the time flows or how the perception is made like you said the word CAT in your mind is it formed all at once or formed in parts... like first the letter/sound C then A then T and then the spelling of the full thing and concept of CAT is created this flow of perception is also like the moving thru our world problem about travelling an infinte # of points to get from A to B if i start at A and then walk towards B 1st i must travel 1/2 way between A and B. call that point C before i travel to C, i must travel halfway between A and C, call that point D and so on.. to infinity in the grand scheme of this. this is also an infinite regress so it must collapse.. just a concept the HOW of it though is intriguing... what you said about infinte snapshots is the case - although it's not of TIME. it's of the entire FRAME of experience. there are infinite frames... it's all potentiality ... also. an idea i had from some insights was that the structure of reality is relative to "size" of forms for example, at the atomic level, for us. atoms come into and out of existence in a billionth of a second zoom up to our scale, same can be said... relative to the life of the sun/earth.. we pop in and out of existence in a billionth of a second and relative to the age of a galaxy, planets/stars come in/out of existence in a billionth of a second that's the main pointer to all really... relativity... the ":structure" of reality is ALL always there - infintely so.. and the light which experieince no time is the key and it is what navigates this infinte space and experieinces no time... anyhow. lots of mind talk here... but all concepts

Posting as well as self indexing this for myself. As you know or have heard of the idea that you are not your body, mind/thoughts, senses but are the perceiver of them and thus free from the association/suffering with them. Then, if you'd like to discover yourself, here's how. As this question: Who Am I? Then wait, and allow whatever *answer* arises in your awareness. Now, whatever that *answer* was CANNOT BE and IS NOT *YOU*. The *ONE* who "saw" / "became aware" of the *answer* is who *YOU* are. Notice how "what *YOU* are" cannot be grabbed or grasped in any way... Just slips out instantly from whatever tries to grab. You are the only weighing scale in existence... Able to weigh everything but Yourself. Only *YOU* can know yourself... not in a conventional sense where there are TWO things. For example, an object which is known and a knower of that object. You can be known only via a deep knowing sense and that is self-awareness. That knowing sense is very directly accessible. When you ask the question: Am I aware? Whatever feeling/knowing your attention goes to after which there is the response *YES, I am aware* is what YOU are - self-aware. Simply that. That blank empty space of nothingness is what YOU are. In that space all vibrations of energy arise. Those vibrations are interpreted as sounds, images, tastes, senses, feelings, sensations which all combine into ONE experience. Notice how that sense of knowing isn't like anything else in your experience which only can include sights, sounds, sensations, thoughts, feeling, taste and smell. It's because That knowing sense is not an experience... That knowing sense is *YOU*.

@Nahm love it

indeed. any such infinite never ending loop of logic ultimately must collapse and it does, and when that's the case. YOU stand revealed. but very true. words alone always needs further expansion and it goes on forever metaphors / ideas come close but only the actual seeing hits the final nail in the coffin what ends the seeking is the realization... not a finding of an object in the normal sense. not sure where i read this example but it was kind of like this the light rays coming out of the flashlight is searching for it's source... but it's searching outwards. in the end, it cannot bend/flip back and point to itself to see/find itself. it cannot know itself like it knows phenomena. it knows itself by being itself. the rays of light just realize they are the source themselves. that's out dealio here except we are NOTHINGNESS

yes. very nice indeed one way i thought about this using the mind was this.. with eyes closed, ask WHO AM I? with beginners - especially not knowing the pointing, there will be an answer in words/thoughts/feeling even... but I AM that which "awaits" the answer. The one who remains after the question WHO AM I is asked... that remains when it's answered... and remains after that too - eternally there as the background/container of ALL experience. The answer to WHO AM I is NOT me... I AM also not the answer-er, for there is no answer-er... there is only stream of thought. flowing IN ME. with this deepening in place, as you said @Antonius , just gotta bring that background to the foreground to be merged as ONE bless

@cetus56 in NM's great words. I just AM I AM That Gonna check it him out more. Thanks @cetus56

it will show YOU that you are the Author who, right up until this moment, had made the mistake of thinking he was the fictional character he gave life to himself. yes... it will kill your idea of a real character which you think exists and replace it with it's truth - that it was always just a fictional character - KNOWN by YOU and also misidentified as yourself by YOU

@cetus56 I will be listening to this one you posted on my drive back to home today <3 I have read his content though before. Deep Dude

@purerogue yes. YOU are not separate from that WHOLE. there are no divisions. There CANNOT BE any divisions.