Thetruthseeker

Sorry to make this post on Leo, but it’s just a tangible example that we all know and have seen his journey. I was just reflecting back on his journey and videos. He seemed quite stage orange at the beginning, (success, sex, how to be a man part 1) then it didn’t seem a long time in green? It seemed only 2 years where he talked about meditation, minimalism, how to be a man part 2. And point being it seemed he pretty quickly went to stage yellow type content. did he really fully go through green in just 2-3 years? Or could it be he’s very individualistic and is more introverted that he never fully went through and embraced stage green? Maybe he did go on lots of group retreats, went to burning man, but I weirdly can’t imagine it. From looking at his YouTube, he still went on retreats alone a lot. but maybe he did really go through green… after all, we only see YouTube videos and don’t fully know what’s going on. Was just my thoughts.

@Leo Gura Thank you!

Just getting confused on this ‘life is meaningless’ if anyone can help. I understand that in the external world objects have no absolute meaning, cars, people, situations, houses, etc. But it’s the meaning that we construct onto them that makes the meaning to us itself but I’m getting confused when it comes to values from a values list. The values seem more internal. So values of independence, creativity, authenticity… etc, am I really constructing them? Or are they inherent to each individual? because if I was completely constructing choosing abstract values from a list, how would I ever choose? Whereas I feel like I have an innate set of values that don’t really change, and it was obvious to me when looking through a values list what was important to me

Leo has changed my life but as im building my YouTube channel, I realised I felt ‘bad’ ‘inadequate’ and ‘guilty’ by not mentioning @Leo Gura in my videos I’ve only got 25k subscribers but I want to talk about spiral dynamics on my channel, but I realise I need to mention leo, in order to not feel inferior. And to own what I uniquely have to offer I was afraid to mention Leo before knowing that I feel second best, but I need to mention him to release that issue I think Leo mentioned this before, that by mentioning other mentors, he used to feel insecure, but actually crediting others makes you more credible has anyone else battled this?

@Snader Yes I agree with you thanks! I do remember Leo saying he struggled feeling insecure crediting people at the beginning, so I guess I’m just at that part of the journey

Guess this was just an unresolved insecurity in me. Of feeling less credible by mentioning Leo when necessary but actually I should credit when I put out a video where Leo (or someone else) has influenced me. You’re right, then that actually makes one more credible thanks

@Tim R because his videos have been such a big influence … so I would feel like my hiding the truth if I didn’t mention him

@SoothedByRain yeah I’ve done about 4 of his courses now. Including some where he’s live… and his ‘virtual coach’ He is highly intelligent. Very stage yellow and has some amazing things to say. Definitely not a ‘con’ … BUT … he can get super salesy at times and it’s a bit much I remember last time we were on a ‘virtual coach’ bonus meeting… and practically all upsells. For his 15k course. It made me lose trust in him. But he’s still probably the best business brain out there (that I know of anyway) but I agree, I’m a bit baffled when you’re already worth so many millions and that evolved why he has to be so pushy. How many more millions does he need? It’s seems weird and off to me how he’s so evolved yet at times he feels fake, and selling like stage orange extreme leo is more evolved. It’s just a shame Leo is too evolved he doesn’t care about extracting millions out of us, and making more courses. Cos his would be the best I think …

I thought I was stage green and a lot of my friends were too. But most of them are anti vaxxers. would this be expected for stage green? they’re all listening to Russel brand and saying how ‘it’s all profit and control’ etc from the elites, like bill gates. Most of my friends are ‘spiritual’ people doing yoga, Ayauasca, cacao ceremonies etc. But they’ve really resorted to all going against getting a vaccine it’s difficult for me because they’re nice people, but I’m getting tired of what to say when they post about it and talk about it all the time ps, I’ve had my vaccine. Not trying to spread anything false info here. Just feeling confused why how many of my friends feel this way and it’s becoming increasingly difficult to stay friends and have a conversation with them

@Roy I want the screen shots! Lol ?

@mandyjw I agree. Trust me, I don’t bring it up… they do. Posting about it on social everyday. And there’s literally no talking to them either. maybe I would have been the same but maybe I’ve just got a bit of yellow in me so I can see the bigger picture and not get too lost in conspiracies

Just a side note - as we’re talking about the future of this forum potentially. why did the forum start? I honestly it was a smart move to get organic SEO to your site, whilst keeping on the ball with feedback and ideas for future videos. I was thinking of doing a public forum for my site but after watching the hours of hassle, criticism and time it takes up for @Leo Gura (no offence everyone) I’m not sure I will bother

Stage green jobs would be more obvious to me. Working at a vegan cafe, ayahuasca retreat centre, meditation place, charities but where would the stage yellow jobs be…. Systems analysts? Ha

@Leo Gura I’m worried that if you publicly talk about this unfortunate suicide incident on your channel then you could get a huge backlash. I mentioned my experience of writing an e book and someone coming after me saying that made them depressed. It sounds silly, but it was nearly a year of lawyers and small courts. you already have some haters and trolls who’ve made negative videos towards your teachings … but this story would be the bait for them, I don’t want to seem like I’m being over the top, I just think as your teachings get more radical and if you talk about this suicide incident openly, you risk even your channel itself. just thinking of you Leo and actualized as I believe you have done absolutely nothing wrong.

This is very sad news indeed. Thoughts with the family But the unfortunate truth is that after actualized has millions upon millions of views, it was inevitable that someone who committed suicide was somehow linked to actualized. but of course someone who commited suicide could be identified as a ‘forum member’ but could have also been anything else going on in his life. someone mentioned that Leo should put out a video mentioning SoonHei’s name. I don’t think there’s need for this. I remember once someone read an e book I wrote and then blamed me for their depression. It was a long mess of small court, lawyers etc For some reason, people are waiting in the wings for Leo and something like this will be exactly what some people have waited for to tear him down. It could be blown out of proportion and risk everything.

@Leo Gura you should do an integral theory series!

Apologies if Leo has already mentioned this, its just i've had a couple of thoughts on whether spiral dynamics is a strange loop from these 2 examples 1 - I follow Aubrey Marcus, he talks about Psychedelics, he seems pretty evolved to me. But a lot of his content feels very 'tribal'. He talks a lot about the 'warrior within' and his breath-work and mediation exercises feel very tribal. And his retreats look like they have that tribal feel with the way they dress and their rituals they do etc. Just wondering if you can get to the higher stages like glimpses of turquoise and it feels like going back to our inherent stage purple self? Another funny example of wondering if its a strange loop is just watching Sadhguru. In talks he's so 'childlike' at times. Again, its like that concept of being so evolved through the spiral that you actually end up going back to how un-evolved you were as a child. It's like you go through all those stages and the entire spiral, just to return to what we were naturally at before we did any development? Thanks!

@Leo Gura well I have the money for a new mic so would love to know what you use I’m guessing the sennheiser mkh 416?

I would love to know the external mic you use @Leo Gura it’s amazing quality! A real difference from your earlier videos back in 2013 etc

So my family left me some money when they downsized their house just recently I’ve got 100k pounds and not sure what to do with it I’ve experimented with stocks and shares a bit before, but only 10k’ worth. I’m 10% up on them in 6 months Just wondering what some suggestions would be... thanks ??

Just get it! It’s amazing! I do the course each year or when I need a refresh

Been reading more of Wayne dyers books.. he seems pretty evolved to me. He’s not mentioned on Leo’s lists of yellow or turquoise.. just wondering where you would place Wayne dyer on the spiral?

@datamonster pretty amazing! Thanks At the moment my stocks are things like Tesla, Spotify, shopify, Amazon etc but ETF’s are a safer bet aren’t they. But Tesla can go up 100% ... it’s always devil tempting great help though. Thank you

Health comes first @Leo Gura Take your time. Just know that your thousand true fans would be here to buy when you did feel ready

Are there any more courses coming in the future? @Leo Gura