Galyna

@Preetom No need to proof. I am into this topic for a long time. I believe you. I thought would be cool to hear about perception part while tripping. I mean if it is not all real, where will I be existing to register it? See what I mean? I do not know how to explain. I still see it as some "space" where everything occurs, LOL

This is so scary. I would never do it. I would be scared to see something in the dark and be killed by it when tripping. (LOL, this is my fear) it came from my childhood. I am scared of the dark, I hate to sleep in the dark place with lights off if I am by myself. I know it sounds crazy, I can not control it.

@Javfly33 Could you elaborate on the reality perception? Like, did you see the objects around you, furniture, walls, sofa, bed? I was thinking about it today. Do you mind sharing?

@Arcangelo

@Keyhole super nice response, I will reply later, ? hugs.

I am sorry, I did not mean to micromanage, I wanted to help, honestly. But I agree with you, maybe I should work on this. Again my apologies. I think people on this forum are very deep, including you. This forum is the only place I can learn and mingle with smart people. I can not express my gratitude enough to Leo for allow this communication to happen. However, and please forgive me for being so rude and so straight, every person I meet in real life does not seem deep at all. Conversations with ladies from here follow certain script: compliment phase, weather, men are ass wholes, closing phase and a good bye talk. I know in advance what I will be talking about with my colleagues. I am sorry but people here is quite shallow. Please forgive me again. I know what I am saying because I can compare: mom lives in Vienna, dad is in Moscow, grandparents are in Ukraine ( three different cultures). I traveled to Europe three times last year to see all of them, spent about eight weeks outside the US. I love Americans for their friendliness and customer service. But to find a person like people here on this forum is almost impossible. I know I sound arrogant. Also, you guys, have no interest to develop long-term friendships. Friendships here start and end at the dinner/bar talks. This is not my opinion. It is opinion of my immigrants friends who came here and trying to settle. Think about it. Of course it seems offensive to you. I am not mad when people say that Ukrainian ladies are after money and rich men and use their beauty to sell themselves. It is very true. I can handle the truth.

@Anna1 There is a motive for everything. You can not have a fire without a smoke. OK, I am out from this thread since people start to complain. Thank you everybody for this nice discussion. I rarely have time to write here.

@Keyhole Please be explicit. You did not like how I wrote about the clinical case?

@Anna1 I've read couple of his post from the other threads. Do not take it personally. Obviously a person is looking for some attention. I feel like he is not OK with the solitude and loneliness as he expresses it. The way he writes, if you are actually reading carefully is a bit chaotic and it has some mild form of deviation from the norm. Seems like he is all over the place, unless it is a tactic to provoke someone or induce any kind of reaction. Do not take his rent about pick up seriously. He is masquerading into something he is not. This case might need a clinical approach. I truly think a person might need at very least a psychological counseling.

@whoareyou Thank you for your comment. Guess I was raised in different culture. We have to compete for men from where I am from. Every little girls is raised to respect, worship men. Emerald is a nice girl, very deep and very intelligent. I wish a lot of american ladies be like her. Because so far, most of the time meet shallow people.

@Meetjoeblack PM me if you are ready for some hard core gestalt, otherwise this tread is going to be flooded with your persona. Not everybody likes to hear your personal stories. We are talking about pick up here, not your personal life experience. I asked questions but you did not give me a clear answer. I understand you are trying to use humor to be charming, but some of it is irrelevant. I truly think you are a good guy, an interesting, smart. That should suffice to put woman to bed. You do not need to put some guise to prove me something. Just be your authentic self, this is sexy enough. Seems that you have a lot to share. Unless you are trying to attract any vulva, then stay where you are.

@Meetjoeblack also, I am thinking about your stories and I wonder ( I am not sarcastic) what led you to all these beliefs you described about LTR and ONS. Would be cool to know your relationship with your own mother and the pattern in your family.You are a bit chaotic but have a lot to share. let me guess, you are either Aquarius, Gemini or Libra. Might be wrong though.

Babe, you have some personal issues. It screams throughout your message. The way you address other people is a bit arrogant. I wish from all my heart to meet people like you in real world. Because all these writing on the forum might be irrelevant to how you act in reality, Mr. Giacomo Casanova. I broke up my mind reading your post because it did not have any algorithm or structure. Please, be my friend. I am looking for a person like this my whole entire life. I am so tired of this sugar-coating, etiquette, tactful games. I need someone for a constructive criticism. I really wish I could see how it works in real setting. I have not met, even once, a person who has balls to share his honest opinion. So, maybe you are the wizard, or a desperate nerd who uses a keyboard to express his suppressed needs which are unconditionally controlled by his subconscious mind.

@remember ok.

@Meetjoeblack I have read everything and broke up my mind. It is a bit hard for me to understand your generic idea. Seems like English is not your first language and some sentences does not make any sense, sorry. For instance, this sentence: "I don't think people myself included can separate life experience from perspective. Its what you lived. We're all healing (hopefully). " God, what do you mean? Just bunch of words compiled together. What is your main point?

I see. Got you. Well, of course with all my love and respect to Leo, he is not the ultimate resource to rely on. As far as I understand he had some hardships and probably is judging from his personal experience with women. Again, it is up to the person how to use the information presented on this website. I enjoy reading your comments, I mean it. Also, as for my girlfriends, the majority of them are not conscious enough. Some of them ended up in a destructive relations. I was in shock when my friend's mother was talking about male attractiveness as a decisive factor. Woman who is 56 still screens man by the certain parameters, one of which is appearance. Really? Therefore, I would believe that some generic rules of pick up that Leo talks about here may apply to her and her daughter, or women from this category.

I do not believe in karma, this world was used by me to amplify the challenges that each gender need to go through. In male case this would be unsatisfied sexual needs. I will try to be as objective as I can. I am not an expert, but I will try to urge him to use various sources and explore. I do not want him to be a close-minded person. I would rather him to integrate knowledge and refuse to cling to one position or a viewpoint.

@Etherial Cat Please be my guest and feel free to do so, express your opinion I would love to hear it. IMHO I think society has stages and it evolves naturally from low to high-conscious. We can trigger it by we can not accelerate it. Everything happens as it should. And, if we are totally honest, we can wish for it, but we are not in control. To be a man or a woman is a certain karma.

@Dumuzzi You know, yesterday, I was watching a movie by Ken Burns ("The Geography of Hope", 1877-1888), a historical one. They mentioned Mormon monogamy. I wondered myself why women would sign up for this kind of relations. Also, what about Arabic world where having five wives is a norm? Still marriage, ha? Why do you think they invented this monogamous marriages? To have license to bang more women. What about the legal marriages with 10, 13 and 14 year old teenagers back then in the nineteenth century? Everything is legal, sex inside the marriage and? Do you see any hint of perversion in it? Sex is a wonderful thing between two individuals. However, by denying it or putting a veto on it we create tension and perversion. During the whole entire history people have been inventing various tricks to legalize sex to satisfy their perverted needs.

@Etherial Cat I think it is a wonderful trait and desire to improve our planet and social relations. But at the same time this can not be forced. The desire for a high quality relations should come from within. Sometimes it is even useless to preach to a young generation who wants to copulate.

Thank you for your comment. First off, everyone has a right to practice what he wants or how he wants. Dumuzzi is welcome to look for a Conscious Relations. I am on board with him to do so. This is the highest value. You did not get my point. 99% of people on this Earth are regular unconscious people. You guys are so funny. This is a common sense. Of course we are not! Since we are here. My point is do not deny P/U. Let it be. Let the guys practice it and become more competent with women. Those who are jerks, will be jerks with regards. Those, who pretty much have a thinking capability will find the relationship model suitable and tailored for them.

It happens with regards of your attitude or expectations. Man.... guys, are you naive or something? If a casual sex would not be a norm, our planet would not be overpopulated. Sex is a basic instinct. Why are you trying to romanticize it? We have to be open-minded and allow everything to be without putting a judgement on it. You know how many people are having sex right in this second as we type? Do you think they are all married, in relations or preconditioned in any other ways?

I think most people on this forum will agree with you, including me. Because we are all here for self-development. For the majority of us here all coping mechanism will not work and we can see through the illusion of the game. However, PU occurs in our lives and takes some place within various social niche. We simply can not deny. But also, it is not set in stone black and white practice. I am sure some successful pickupers are happily married with five kids and love their wives. If it helps some men to approach women and get confident, then why not. Let them use it, let it be. In a long run, it is up to a person to decide what partner she or he wants. Again, I think most people take it too serious. Not all guys are jerks. Some of them are. Some of them use PU to start a relations, some use it for the sex only. Again, we can not go into extremes like this. Every situation between man and woman is unique and different. I have some friends that had a wonderful FNS and got married at the end.

@Dumuzzi Fair enough. I am just saying that there is a need ( demand for sex) and there is a product to satisfy this need (PU). Of course people will market it in the most devilish way possible. It is effective, efficient and it works. Emerald and you have a kernel of truth in your statements, however, our society is not on that level to practice high-conscious sex and intimacy, or even relationships. No young man will spend enough time to research and understand how it works. They want to have sex here and now.

Guys, let's be realistic. A generic person (19 year old male, European or American), outside of this forum, who does not do practices, meditation, watch videos of advaita teachers, read books won't think with all these categories. All they do nowadays is watch porn, masturbate, play video games and binge drink, in a good scenario. In a worst case scenario there are a lot of drugs, traffic violations, crimes, prostitutes, night clubs, friends and weed. Go and preach this to an average student. See what he will tell you.