Javfly33

Realization is realization. Is not one day yes and the next one no. Realization can never come from external circumstances. It is an Evolution, especially an End of the dream and duality, for ever. You never come back after Realization. Never. It can not be lost. You are failing in the same trap Leo fell with the God thing. I 'realize God' for 1 hour while doing 5-MeO and then 'I fall back to a normal state of consciouness'. Not that you comes from 5-meo especially. I mean generally. The point is nothing external to you can ever give you awakening. Because the point of Awakening is Liberation from the outside, if you need any transaction with the outside to feel Good, Realization has not happened. Liberation and Freedom has not happened. But again, I must be one of the few people here in this forum that stresses and repeats the word 'freedom'. So I´m a nut-case, a weird case, I´m ok with that. My path is a lonely one, not too many adepts.

@Salvijus You are getting too dogmatic with this 'Self', and that proves you have not dissolved the sense of self

I have an issue with the word 'sense' because it reminds me of mind, sensation, and even emotion. Not with the word Self.

Solipsism means there is only one dream and one reality. Yours. When you die you simply take another form, unless you reach death in a certain level of awareness of what you are. You are only human because you as God/Reality are unconscious of what you are. In the case you attain mukti, yes, 'other people' keep existing after you are 'gone' (you haven´t 'gone' anywhere, but anyways...) meanwhile other parts of God/Reality that have not attained their Realization, keep encarnating therefore keep creating the dream. Try to fathom this: Your TV screen is a certain part of God/Intelligence that now is staying as a screen. Your TV screen is as a Life as is your Dog.

You don´t need to relate with the world to operate in the world. You can be conscious you are in your own solipsism dream and you are just extending the inevitable death, but you know others are you and you are alone in this dream. I can move my legs without a sense of self, as like a crocodile can move its teeth without it.

Aren´t you conflating sense of self vs creating a self to show/interact with others? Is kind of like if I am an actor and I have to act like I am a murderer in a movie, and then since I don´t control my imagination, when the movie scene ends, i go back home and in the middle of the road i walk out of my car and murder a homeless, because 'i needed the sense of self' to be a murder in the movie scene. I don´t agree with you in that one, you can act or show a sense of self, withouth a having 'a sense' that you have a self.

Yeah lol, that shit is completely ridiculous: is like holding a key in my hand and repeating myself there is no key in my hand 😵‍💫😂

spirituality is killing this self

I guess there would not be issue in doing that, as long as you are doing it from a place of freedom, for example let´ say you go have sex with this two models as an expression of the love, of the infinity that you are in, then having sex with this two models just happens as a consequence of this already opened state, and so the act itself is neutral. But let´s say you go looking for sex with two models out of neediness, out of trying to extract something, then it means you are entangling yourself with the outside to try to achieve the state or expansion you could already be within. Anything that we do because within we are not already on that level, and try to get to that level with external means, means we are engaging in transactions that entangle us. Additionally if we add dmt or lsd it means we are not already in that expanded state because if you need any chemical that means within you are not at the state of that chemical, again another transaction with the outside that represent we are still not completely realized within. That´s why we are trying to become completely independent from the outside, we want to snap our fingers and have all Existence within, from that place any move we do in reality is a gift we give to the rest...but within we don´t need anything. We have gone from beggars to givers. 🙏

I get you would think that but Be open minded there are things you don´t understand yet. 👍

I don´t think most people in this forum understands what the word 'awakening' means 😂 What happens when you are dreaming and you awake from the dream? The dream ends 😂 So this people that say you keep dreaming for eternity because Reality has to exist as something, is people that do not fathom what dissolution entails, the existencial implications for you, the implications are that dreaming will end, thats what ultimate consciousness means, thats what clarity entails, the end of the dreaming, and the absolute blissful non-existence for eternity. Which is why you will deny this possibility for many more lifetimes. Everyone or most people in this forum will deny it. Most haven´t gotten tired of the circus they have going on. 😁More dreams to come for most it seems. Don´t count me in though. This is my last one here and everywhere, and I won´t even leave a body as a proof when I go. Sadhana has been taken to that level of intensity where I see this as a real possibility, not yet but not too far away, 13 years from now, departure time has been arranged.

but that´s because we are asleep, we are going through all that crap to awaken 👍 There is no coming back after real enlightment, no more dreams after that.

Yeap, welcome to the dream. I know. Not only that but much more, in fact Im right there, in your room too. Yeap, at the end of the day is just the same mind, the one that dreams reality and the one that dreams little dreams when you sleep. But of course the latter is deeply limited. why unfunny? _;_O

I don´t understand what you mean by that. For you The openness is a goal, isn't it? @Breakingthewall People have been teaching these things, just surrender, kill the desire, no goal, no purpose. Yet the reality is which one who says those things is able to sit in a chair and have infinity on their lap? That one which arrives at that, then yes, for him there Is no goal anymore. But to reach there you must have desire and a goal to get there. Is like this, today I tell you I surrender all desires and I let go to the reality, but tomorrow im calling an escort and snorting half a gram of coke because Realization has not happened so the life within is still trying to find expansion, with whatever means, no matter how much my mind thinks is Enlightened. This would be hypocrisy and lying to oneself, and is what I see a lot of people doing.

Yes, I agree. There are levels to the game.

I can't help but to feel Osho was quite the charlatan. Consider this: You can become so conscious you understand why your bathroom floor has 57 tiles and not 56. Not as a logical explanation like "Is because the building architect designed it like this". But in the way you understand why you live in at an apartment that has bathrooms with 57 tiles and not 56. This won´t come from logical deductions this will come only from inner consciousness and pure direct intelligence. Osho was still is in the beginner levels. A human is enhanced in much bigger possibilities than to arrive at this neti neti stuff of" there is no goal"

Yeah, in that case let´s say it lasts more than 5minutes, maybe 5minutes were peak clear 0 density and then starts to built up again slowly through the days, the goal is at one point we don´t let any density built up anymore, we have observed truly how the mechanics works so we keep the minimum glue to keep being human but enough elasticity to explore life without a stone of 80kg in our head 👍

Yes, how I see it is similar to that. The structure is itself the definition of duality, so obviously the structure will always feel lack because that what drives/is identified with the structure, wants non-duality. However, what we usually do is try to achieve non-duality from the structure, this means trying to get love or connection from other people, addiction, etc. Is clear this never works, is guaranteed for failure. Because one is approaching the mission from a place of lack. I don´t think so, because the rest 23 hours and 55min you are again interacting with reality in an entangled way. I´m not saying to break it, I´m saying walk on top of it, carry it like a piece of clothing, is clear we need some sort of structure to maintain a human life, so if breaking is not possible at least not let it define you reality.

Imo the structure comes back because real distance towards the structure hasn´t happenet yet. The superglue hasn´t come off completely yet. Once you can carry the structure like a suitcase there is no issue, but if for 10 minutes you walk with a suitcase in your heads, then for 3 minutes you put it back to the floor and carry, then again 5 minutes again you put it in your head...etc. Of course walking is a mess. But Of course the less heavy the suitcase is, the less motivation one will have to realize carrying a suitcase in your head sucks. Yeap thats true

Of course, I didn´t said either i am able to do it right now 😵‍💫

You cant heal it because the feeling of lack is based on the identity structure, which is based of the dualities of the physical existence. So there is an issue, that which is Unlimited does not like boundaries, but is trying to seek the Unlimited with the limited structure, this Will never work. I see Only one solution, Accept that the Only way is within, trascendence of the structure, because the other path never has worked and probably never Will.

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Confidence is acting as you know when actually you don´t know lol I guess hope or trust are the tools of confidence.

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Does mdma has some special perception/feeling in it to make worth it to try it or if ive tried most other psychedelics is not worth the effort? I have procrastinated in trying it too because of that thing that people say it has a terrible comedown/hangover the next day.