Javfly33

I don't know what is a spontaneous enlightment. But I would say no, any experience (imo, even the 'no experience') momentary, usually does not solve your life, at all.

I don't think I get your point now, although I mostly agree with what you are saying. @integral

a nothing that exists, and saying that is even too much.

I see, so the point is to pursue the actual truth, the one that is useless to pursue. ?

Yes sir ? I shall not be a devil to use enlightenment for my devilish self serving purposes sir! Understood, sir!

LoL. You are clearly falling into the thinking narrative of believing there is enlightment, mean while your actual state is not saying the same. For social anxiety to exists, your state of energy and awareness must be really damaged and compressed. None of that crap can exist in intense and moderately-high activation of your consciousness. Which just tells me you haven't activated it yet and seen what is possible. Also, seen what is actual liberation vs thinking and telling yourself you are liberated.

I have not said that I have been conscious of anything That's another 'Famous phrase' of Leo lmao I don't know what is Enlightment. But I know this, having an experience one day, saying that that is Enlightment and that now you are Awake as an eternal conceptual trophy, while your actual state of consciousness is numb, off, in compulsive, mind frequency, like most mortals, no, I don't think that is Enlightment. It shocking that I have to say this, it is so obvious. Everyone can have a trip one day or a powerful spiritual experience, but go tell me what does that serve you. We should be interested in actual solutions.

I'm not talking about an ideal. What I'm saying here has been verified in my experience. You guys could have an open mind and actually benefit from what I'm sharing. Or not... I have enough to deal in my path, so not going to push anyone to pursuit anything that he doesn't want. Buuuut...is a pity that if life does have the possibility to go much beyond what you have settled for, that you won't take advantage of that possibility. But again, I might be a weird case. A lot of people seem to be satisfied with this type of enlightenment narrative. Is just falls so damn short of what is possible. So I can't help but call you guys out.

That realising is important, is a stepping stone in realising infinity or liberation can not be achieved through material means. When you experience losing all sense of body and individuality and merge yourself with your surroundings in an ecstatic explosive unitary union...you will not seek anymore satisfaction, love or union in trying to seek that unlimited state through adding material means.

I don't care if he has had 1000 awakenings. @Inliytened1 Is like If I have pain in my back, and I have popped 1000 pain-relief pills in the past, and, of course ,1000 times I have not had pain. You tell what is the purpose? I still have pain. The ideas and concepts about when I didn't have pain, do not serve to not have pain Now. In my view, is all about the Now. Are you solved/gone, NOW? It doesn't serve me that you were good 1000 times in the past, the past already is gone. Now we are Here and Now. What is happening now? You are thinking about trophies of awakening, which are never awakening.

The tragedy is that you think you have arisen to that conclusions by you own. Until you don't see that you have just been swallowing Leo's ideology like a thirsty camel, what can I do. You are just so sure you just got it all sort it out. The ideology is perfect because you guys logic work in such a way, that just with having some experiences, you can tell yourself you got it. You arrived. Meanwhile real work is not happening, you are victim to compulsion and low stages of awareness like any other human that hasn't pick a spiritual book on their life or mediated 1 hour. I even I'm shocked you guys can NOT see this trap. But I guess that's the beauty of traps, they can't be seen from inside .

Damn, you definitely have low integrity with such a low attack. I did not expect that. Do me a favour and mind your own business and have some integrity to not use dead people as a means to try attack me. You've been repeating the same script for the past 5 years in the forum. It is disappointing.

@UnbornTao That is the issue. You are putting labels on to the gurus and assuming they are Awake as a trophy. You think being Awake is having a certain experience that leaves you "Awakened" for ever. It does not work like that. You can only be Awake in the Now. You can not grasp, hold or "save" in a closet the Awakening and claiming that a person is Awake for life. Awakening is not an understanding that you come, or a conclusion. Is an opening in your energies, and activation, a boundless state. If you lose it, that's it. The end. You can't be cheating saying "Nahhhh I'm awake but I do have some addictions here and there, damn, let me go smoke some blues...but all is alright, I'm awake! I'm God and everything is a mind yada yada". ??? You guys just don't get that having an experience and building a conceptual knowledge around it can be done by anyone. That is certainly not being Awake. Unfortunately I suspect Leo's supposed "Awakening work", is built around this structure, seeing he kinda of thinks about this topic in the same way as most of you.

So it's a conceptual trophy? @UnbornTao because if it does not transform you or give you any ability to be or exist in a different matter, then what is the point of doing it in the first place?

I want to apologise for the tone of my last message the other day, not my best forms. Some times I take this things very emotional.

I try to eat as fresh as possible but beans is something I can not get myself to cook. It just takes so much time to cook them. So when I eat them is when buy this jars of cooked beans or peas in the supermarket. But I wonder if that is really healthy. How worthy is to spend money on some food that has been sitting on a jar for maybe 2 fucking months? Like, does the body actually get something out of that food? Obviously if you are starving that kind of food is a lifesaver that why is usually packed in survival kits, but lets talk about daily life here

In you guys definition of awakening yes, awakening is not a solution. But there's not written anywhere in the universe that awakening is about doing psychedelics and having wacky experiences, saying you are god, visiting aliens, or etc. The reality is this forum understanding of the point of spiritual practices is based on an ideology built to serve the incapability of actually having mastered anything. So saying things like 'awakening does not solve suffering' serves the ideology well. When you hit 80 years old and the grave is coming, you will see how fucking laugable all of this was. If you didn't do it for make your life more beautiful blissful and withouth suffering, why the fuck did you do it for?? Oh wait, right, mr Leo and the actualised ideology. I forgot! Is all about understanding and holding memories about awakening. And then saying that even though you are awake that doesn't prevent you from addictions and suffering. Jesus, can't you guys see through the bullshit? Is pretty shocking at this point. My god I´m so out of here. Has been a pleasure. But this forum is really stucked on circles. It stinks of stuckness and stagnation. Good script of Leo. Along with the 'I am form and formless' bullshit of @Bazooka Jesus You guys are for a brutal awakening of time lost here. Bye.

@Razard86 @Jowblob I'm sad for you guys. Such a short time in the human body and you guys don't want to make a joy out of it. "If you do not do what you cannot do, that's no problem. But if you do not do what you can do, you are a tragedy". ?? It is my wish that you discover the power beyond the depressive and crushing thoughts of your ego ??

Ok ?

So you are two things? Steering wheel and You? ?

Only when I'm meditating in a certain way is clear to me that death does not exist. But then I fall into the illusion again ?

@Bazooka Jesus seems to be you still want to push a certain ideology or belief that being human comes with limitations. I respect that, but my whole message was about the fact that I have discovered some openings in the human system to go beyond the so called "unmovable limitations" of being "a limited human". Which, by the way, you are not a human. You are always Awareness/Infinity. Now you lost the panel of control of the machine and you want to say that you are limited, that's a pity. Is like... I drive my car so much one day I get identified myself with it that I came to a conclusion I'm limited to driving because that's the "nature of being a car" ??? Now you don't know how to drop the steering wheel, you believe you are the car. Now you have a problem. (Car = Human system )

?? The guy has a point though. Let's go watch YouTube videos more and meditate less @Razard86 just kidding bro, I get your point. Sorry can't unquote

What you mean by this? What is humanness?

I feel there is misconception when people talk about addiction. We are assuming that the sober dualistic compressed state of consciousness is the only possible state of consciousness that a human reside in, unless the times he/she is using a chemical or meditating. This has been proven to be false in my experience. if I can go deeper into this, I would like to say some things: (this is not aimed to your reply but just in general, maybe some to @Bazooka Jesus) I wholeheartedly disagree when people recriminate that 'chasing' this high states of consciousness is a symptom or an action of addiction. What we are (our True Nature) is constantly seeking absolute dissolution, absolute power, absolute boundlessness. Now, some people might be pursuing this limitless expansion through unconscious means: Through material achievements (becoming rich, becoming successful in business, becoming the start of your sports team...etc) Through praise to their ego (social media, fame, etc...) Through trying to 'change' the world or reach people in a special way. All of this are examples of the intrinsic human nature: "Is never enough". And it will never be enough through material means. Because subconsciously each being is trying to aim and 'include' the total Singularity. When a PUA is trying to fuck the 70th girl, that's their inner nature trying to become limitless by including more and more, but you can not fuck Infinite girls. And you can not get infinite millions And you can not get infinite fame. And you can not get infinite business success. Is only when one realizes that trying to get to infinity by material beings will never end, that one start to investigate tools and basically just focus the whole goal of their life to be and produce this states more and more habitually, making their whole focus of life that. When you touch the explosiveness, light, absolute beauty and power that becoming boundless is, the idea of going to grab a drug and get high doesn't even occur to you. It would be like enjoying a 100$ bistec while getting a blowjob and having the idea of going to eat candy under a bridge while playing Pokemon. That would be kind of the comparison between what blissful and ecstatic states of consciousness the human system is capable of connecting to, vs what a chemical is capable of. Because I have tried most of the most addictive drugs in the planet and nothing touches the states of consciousness that I´m talking about. I know that everybody that touches that becomes an 'addict' for life. But that is another kind of addiction. Is a natural addiction. The natural seeking of Nothingness to become Nothing. Of the limitless to dissolve all bounds. Is the natural state of our being. So of course every being is subconsciously seeking that. And is important to seek that consciously because if you do it unconsciously (through material means) you will burn up the planet, hurt people, do a mess in the world. The planet or humans can not be used as your infinity toy to stretch for you. You knowing how to make yourself explode into boundlessness is the only way to to go. Namastèeeee ?