Javfly33

Bum .

I guess I´m a selfish twat and I´ll never get enlightened then

what is knowing?

one of the worst mistakes of today's society and education system is giving way too much importance to thought.

thats what ive been asking myself the last 10 years of my life... yeah, I do have hope that I will do it.

nice, ill try it tomorrow at work

It would be great, but I usually have a hard time believing people off the internet. But if is true he would not care that we don't believe him I guess. He could be some of that genetic freaks Leo talks about ?

Society will go through various phases. There must happen the phase where the majority of the population discover high states of awareness and intensity (like cocaine does, although not in a very clean way), to then becoming addicted to them, to then realising taking drugs is unsustainable to the human mechanism. Is only when this two things happens (First discovering a wide range of pleasurable states of consciousness + Realising getting to that is unsustainable), when humanity will start to move forward to the only solution: Constructing a society with the first focus and priority in producing and activating this states on our own. Just imagine if all the energy, concentration and investment of time of the human species that is currently going into developing cutting edge tech, meds, food, entertainment, etc...all the bullshit human society waste time on it, would be entirely developed on achieving and discovering the mastery of our bodies and minds to produce this states on our own. Society path into infinite Love can not be stopped! And that starts by selling snow at the Pharmacy I´m sure Ibogaine is a great chem and is honestly on my Wishlist but is not that simple. Ibogaine has been proved to reset chemical dependence/rewiring of the opioid receptors. Sure, but that doesn't mean it will solve addiction. 'Addicts' relapse all the time on drugs after their system is completely cleared up/reset of the drug. Because of course they remember the high and they want to go get high again (despite the consequences). Although, I suspect ibogaine could have an addictional therapeutic effect in terms of healing the pain or psychological trauma that lots of opiate users try to heal through the drug . So that's another story. But I have yet to verify that.

What is infinity?

I don't know what is a spontaneous enlightment. But I would say no, any experience (imo, even the 'no experience') momentary, usually does not solve your life, at all.

I don't think I get your point now, although I mostly agree with what you are saying. @integral

a nothing that exists, and saying that is even too much.

I see, so the point is to pursue the actual truth, the one that is useless to pursue. ?

Yes sir ? I shall not be a devil to use enlightenment for my devilish self serving purposes sir! Understood, sir!

LoL. You are clearly falling into the thinking narrative of believing there is enlightment, mean while your actual state is not saying the same. For social anxiety to exists, your state of energy and awareness must be really damaged and compressed. None of that crap can exist in intense and moderately-high activation of your consciousness. Which just tells me you haven't activated it yet and seen what is possible. Also, seen what is actual liberation vs thinking and telling yourself you are liberated.

I have not said that I have been conscious of anything That's another 'Famous phrase' of Leo lmao I don't know what is Enlightment. But I know this, having an experience one day, saying that that is Enlightment and that now you are Awake as an eternal conceptual trophy, while your actual state of consciousness is numb, off, in compulsive, mind frequency, like most mortals, no, I don't think that is Enlightment. It shocking that I have to say this, it is so obvious. Everyone can have a trip one day or a powerful spiritual experience, but go tell me what does that serve you. We should be interested in actual solutions.

I'm not talking about an ideal. What I'm saying here has been verified in my experience. You guys could have an open mind and actually benefit from what I'm sharing. Or not... I have enough to deal in my path, so not going to push anyone to pursuit anything that he doesn't want. Buuuut...is a pity that if life does have the possibility to go much beyond what you have settled for, that you won't take advantage of that possibility. But again, I might be a weird case. A lot of people seem to be satisfied with this type of enlightenment narrative. Is just falls so damn short of what is possible. So I can't help but call you guys out.

That realising is important, is a stepping stone in realising infinity or liberation can not be achieved through material means. When you experience losing all sense of body and individuality and merge yourself with your surroundings in an ecstatic explosive unitary union...you will not seek anymore satisfaction, love or union in trying to seek that unlimited state through adding material means.

I don't care if he has had 1000 awakenings. @Inliytened1 Is like If I have pain in my back, and I have popped 1000 pain-relief pills in the past, and, of course ,1000 times I have not had pain. You tell what is the purpose? I still have pain. The ideas and concepts about when I didn't have pain, do not serve to not have pain Now. In my view, is all about the Now. Are you solved/gone, NOW? It doesn't serve me that you were good 1000 times in the past, the past already is gone. Now we are Here and Now. What is happening now? You are thinking about trophies of awakening, which are never awakening.

The tragedy is that you think you have arisen to that conclusions by you own. Until you don't see that you have just been swallowing Leo's ideology like a thirsty camel, what can I do. You are just so sure you just got it all sort it out. The ideology is perfect because you guys logic work in such a way, that just with having some experiences, you can tell yourself you got it. You arrived. Meanwhile real work is not happening, you are victim to compulsion and low stages of awareness like any other human that hasn't pick a spiritual book on their life or mediated 1 hour. I even I'm shocked you guys can NOT see this trap. But I guess that's the beauty of traps, they can't be seen from inside .

Damn, you definitely have low integrity with such a low attack. I did not expect that. Do me a favour and mind your own business and have some integrity to not use dead people as a means to try attack me. You've been repeating the same script for the past 5 years in the forum. It is disappointing.

@UnbornTao That is the issue. You are putting labels on to the gurus and assuming they are Awake as a trophy. You think being Awake is having a certain experience that leaves you "Awakened" for ever. It does not work like that. You can only be Awake in the Now. You can not grasp, hold or "save" in a closet the Awakening and claiming that a person is Awake for life. Awakening is not an understanding that you come, or a conclusion. Is an opening in your energies, and activation, a boundless state. If you lose it, that's it. The end. You can't be cheating saying "Nahhhh I'm awake but I do have some addictions here and there, damn, let me go smoke some blues...but all is alright, I'm awake! I'm God and everything is a mind yada yada". ??? You guys just don't get that having an experience and building a conceptual knowledge around it can be done by anyone. That is certainly not being Awake. Unfortunately I suspect Leo's supposed "Awakening work", is built around this structure, seeing he kinda of thinks about this topic in the same way as most of you.

So it's a conceptual trophy? @UnbornTao because if it does not transform you or give you any ability to be or exist in a different matter, then what is the point of doing it in the first place?

I want to apologise for the tone of my last message the other day, not my best forms. Some times I take this things very emotional.

I try to eat as fresh as possible but beans is something I can not get myself to cook. It just takes so much time to cook them. So when I eat them is when buy this jars of cooked beans or peas in the supermarket. But I wonder if that is really healthy. How worthy is to spend money on some food that has been sitting on a jar for maybe 2 fucking months? Like, does the body actually get something out of that food? Obviously if you are starving that kind of food is a lifesaver that why is usually packed in survival kits, but lets talk about daily life here