LordFall

Well I would question your reasons for wanting to be influencial, relevant and famous but there are pretty systemized ways to do it. I would work on social skills and start posting on social media. This book is a good start.

Marketing is sharing your message and convincing people of engaging with it. I was pondering on the Leo blog post recently on marketers being bullshitters. I’m not sure if that’s really the case; are Seth Godin and Gary Vee con artists? Perhaps it has to do with the need to convince someone or something but isn’t that just human communication with scale put into it?

I’ve only used a VR headset a few times but the first time I put one on I could immediately tell this will be the future. It’s taken a long time to take off but augmented reality is coming soon with Meta and other companies planning to release their glasses in 2027. I would see as a brand new dimension of reality to explore with new possibilities for human interaction and exploration of consciousness. I’m super excited for it.

@Majed I would post stuff on socials at least 5 times a week. Start with 20 second snippets of songs and work up to short form music videos and eventually perform in public. I would argue that tedious life is part of spiritual work man especially stuff like mastering your emotions and discipline so that you can eventually achieve financial freedom. It’s what I’m working on myself, fucking easier said than done too. Meditating in the wood about how you’re a multi consciousness being is one part of it but that is not truth as it’s not the reality of our existence.

Sounds to me like you’re spiritually bypassing and coping with not being able to find high quality partners to be able to build a conscious relationship on your terms. If you wanna go full Ekhart Tolle and bliss out on a park bench for years then more power to you but the whole point of reality is to experience duality otherwise you’d just be a floating mind thinking up random images that’s basically what the godhead is. Base humanity and the social matrix is truth just an evolving one.

I would never lie about my business. I would quote him the same price and if he refuses negotiate it down but do not compromise your integrity for short term gain, it's never worth it and will hurt your expertise in the long run. Then become an ever more deadly code builder and charge more to the next clients for fixing deeper and deeper problems.

@Joshe That’s cool, thanks for sharing. Seems like basically the hero’s journey with some added neurosis and lack of introspection. Apart from that most of the steps make sense to me. Just about accepting yourself and shifting through your ambitions that are trauma based and authentic. Becoming a powerful man is still an amazing goal. Power just means being able to influence reality; being at the cause not the effect. That’s a way more fun way to live than being stuck a 9-5 slave and all the other pitfalls that men face today.

I definitely have the base male fantasy of unlimited access to unlimited sexuality. In terms of long term relationship I have deep provider male tendencies so I’d like to date/marry multiple women and have worldwide adventures with them while building cool projects and eventually having a big family with 10-15 kids.

Transparency is a good virtue so glad the truth is coming out. Ironically it goes full circle for me; I found actualized.org through the rant against the pickup community video. Also I met Mystery a few times and he was still hurt that originally Owen stole his business model and whole email list. Definitely spot on with the ego comment, he presents himself as someone he's not. I still remember the video where he said he'd rather die than miss a day at the gym. I get that its a mindset more than a reality but it'd be me like pretending to be this shrewd entrepreneur when I'm broke.

Well of course plenty of not great guys get laid and reproduce, that was never the point of the conversation. It’s about what works best and what to aim towards. Plenty of guys date obese women get partners doesn’t mean that you should tell one that you know to not worry about weight and attractiveness just find a connection. Emeralds point is not wrong it’s just not the whole point and not really practical. Of course you should seek to heal your trauma and be able to be vulnerable and authentic with the women you meet. As well as making yourself physically as attractive as you can and having a lot of money and a wide social circle, etc. Doesn’t mean it’s impossible to date without these things just makes it harder to date attractive women with their shit together or have a lot of casual sex. Also worth talking about the codependence, independence and interdependence model. If all you want is a basic codependent relationship that’s not too hard to get into lol but a high quality relationship where you support eachother in achieving a meaningful life purpose is hard to achieve and is built through a lot of self development and reducing it to being open to connection seems a bit silly to me. Also self awareness is key in knowing what you lack. The loving part was not my issue I was mostly the needy BF without his shit together. A dude in private equity that’s overly ruthless from work will have different issues than me and other types of men. General conversations aren’t really that helpful.

You don’t need capital for your life purpose, you need a skillset and a direction. I would highly recommend this book, it covers specifically how to teach freedom and purpose in your career and life.

Of course, it all boils down to survival. We’ve been talking about the topic for a while but things are only now hitting the fan and true leadership will be necessary. Which is why I would encourage you to analyze your emotional reactions and foster the ability to be extremely pragmatic in these coming times.

Adam Lyons is a better example of healthier polyamorous relationships He’s had children with two women before and although one of these relationships broke off I do believe they’re still in good terms and co parenting healthily while he’s still dating his original partner and other women at the same time.

It’s also important to consider things from the female and male imperative. Women are more sneaky with their incentives and are usually not upfront about them(not that most men are either.) There’s a good book about this written by an Esther Vilar called the manipulated man. Also worth considering the foundation of why would women be attracted to more dominant man and how that relates to the state of society and survival. In good times you don’t really get punished for shacking up with a man lower in the dominance hierarchy. In more chaotic times as perhaps the ones we are heading towards now then that directly leads to a lower standard of living and in extreme situations a lack of ability to survive. @RendHeaven It has a little to do with narcissism and wanting to keep your line going sure but that’s not the issue I’m pointing out to you. It’s about fear vs love and you trying to rationalize away your fear.

I see your points and that does happen but that's a straw-man of the male self-improvement journey. Lots of ways to develop deep love and build deep relationships. I think it's hard for women to understand the male journey and for men who haven't undertaken it. I have made plenty of connections with my female peers along my life and I'm grateful appreciative of those connections. That had very little to do with my growing power and influence over reality as a man. I dated a girl when I was a clueless 24 year old and that was great but it doesn't compare to being a man with his purpose together having access and influence. It's like saying that being a bunny is great and why worry about the animal kingdom which works great until you get eaten and that's what happens to most men in life, running around in a jungle in which they're scared shitless and can be eaten up at any time. @RendHeaven I think the introspection you've put into your childrearing is cool but you're blowing this up way out of proportion. People have been worrying about civilization collapsing and life being too hard to bear since the start of time. You think people were thrilled to have children during the black plague which lasted 7 years and where people were dying and rotting in the streets? Yet here we are. You think people were thrilled to have children during the hundred year wars where entire villages would get raided randomly and people were subjected to fate worse than game of thrones? Humans are tough and we persevere and we'll be here 500 and 5000 years from now and if you choose to end your bloodline due to AI I don't know what to tell you, perhaps have a deep trip pondering that one.

I think you’re projecting and lost in your stage green idealism. Leo has been openly clear about his beliefs being extremely anti trump. He’s just playing devils advocate to a silly leftist. Watch the understanding the conservative mind episode and it’ll make more sense to you. You’re just venting your frustration which is fair but to have real impact on reality you must first seek to understand and only then seek to be understood.

I mean sure but to put it simply if you are the void then you build whatever you want out of that. Use your infinite imagination to build whatever existence you want and in a dating context to build whatever dream dating life you can conjure up.

I think you’re right in some aspects but you’re also deeply failing to empathize with the male perspective. You keep talking about connection, that means drastically different things for men and women. You’re projecting your wants unto our wants. From what I understand about your point you see it as men failing to let go of their process of self improvement to just be able to be themselves and find a woman to accept them for who they are. To be fair each man is different but I’ll speak about myself on this one. I am an ambitious intellectual who wants to explore the world and build a strong community across it that withstands the pressure of the world. I’ve spent my 20s working on this and throughout it I’ve connected with plenty of women along that time but since I was not who I am meant to be yet there was fundamentally not much for me to offer them beyond temporary companionship and for me to entertain them with interesting ideas that haven’t materialized yet. I’ve also met a lot of women that live in their feminine and want to flow in life and not be constrained by the drudgery of our system and it’s something I can offer them but not in my current form. I also don’t think you understand the concept of transactionality in relationships. In its lowest form it’s about people using eachother shallowly but in its evolved form it’s about people being able to share their deepest gifts and existence with eachother. Being an alpha man is partly about being sexually attractive but it’s mostly about finding freedom and purpose for yourself and that is not an easy process. To link it back to the Aubrey Marcus thread the reason those women are into him is not so much because he’s a stud physically but because he’s built a life of freedom, adventure and purpose for himself and is not like 99% of men who clock in clock out go home to enjoy the few hours of freedom they buy for themselves each week.

There is endless footage of cold approach on youtube

Plenty of people get in relationships without being top tier alpha males, doesn't mean those relationships are phenomenal or healthy. Most relationships I see are dysfunctional.

There's not much here that looks like peaceful protest to me and I would say that the federal forces/LAPD are pretty restrained and they would be justified in calling for martial law. I just watched the Understanding the conservative mind video today ironically, makes a lot of sense to me now. So hard to say though when the due process is also not being respect so hard for me to have a position.

@Natasha Tori Maru What emotional labor do you mean? There's also different parts to consider like what is the point of the relationship? For most of history relationships were about basic reproduction, not much more then that. If you consider relationships the people that you trust, grow with and explore life with then I don't see why polyamory and triads if not more arrangements can not be possible and involve whatever intimate and sexual components that the people in them wanna experience. Once again I think humanity is in the dark ages of relationships and even this thread shows how limited people are in thinking about their potential. It's more obvious to me because as an INTP I feel very disconnected to people I'm close with even close friends but when I get intimate with people it gets pretty deep and I have barely dipped my toes in the potential of that and I see most peoples relationships even that have lasted a while be shallow and fall apart all the time because they're not really that connected/aligned and just coping with life together temporarily.

Well yeah for sure. You can learn to manufacture this to build that share emotional connection with random women but it's more important for you to like her as hanging out with women you're not compatible with will drain you over time.

Plenty of women are down for upfront poly though. Probably like 10-20% of western women if I had to guess. Usually the problem is when feelings get involved and jealously starts to form when they get attached, not in the first steps of dating. @Natasha Tori Maru That's a good point on boundaries vs challenges, makes sense! It's hard in polyamorous relationships for men because even if he means well he can be clouded by self-bias but if he's upfront and transparent and not intentionally gaslighting then there's only so much he can do. He should be able to empathize for his women and do what's best for them but he also has to lookout for his greatest vision for his own relationships. Probably would help if the women were bisexual.

It’s a good video thanks for sharing. Also worth considering what type of women you’re looking to attract. Average women will feel more comfortable around an average man but particularly attractive woman won’t give those average guys much attention.