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@Joshe That’s cool, thanks for sharing. Seems like basically the hero’s journey with some added neurosis and lack of introspection. Apart from that most of the steps make sense to me. Just about accepting yourself and shifting through your ambitions that are trauma based and authentic. Becoming a powerful man is still an amazing goal. Power just means being able to influence reality; being at the cause not the effect. That’s a way more fun way to live than being stuck a 9-5 slave and all the other pitfalls that men face today.

I definitely have the base male fantasy of unlimited access to unlimited sexuality. In terms of long term relationship I have deep provider male tendencies so I’d like to date/marry multiple women and have worldwide adventures with them while building cool projects and eventually having a big family with 10-15 kids.

Transparency is a good virtue so glad the truth is coming out. Ironically it goes full circle for me; I found actualized.org through the rant against the pickup community video. Also I met Mystery a few times and he was still hurt that originally Owen stole his business model and whole email list. Definitely spot on with the ego comment, he presents himself as someone he's not. I still remember the video where he said he'd rather die than miss a day at the gym. I get that its a mindset more than a reality but it'd be me like pretending to be this shrewd entrepreneur when I'm broke.

Well of course plenty of not great guys get laid and reproduce, that was never the point of the conversation. It’s about what works best and what to aim towards. Plenty of guys date obese women get partners doesn’t mean that you should tell one that you know to not worry about weight and attractiveness just find a connection. Emeralds point is not wrong it’s just not the whole point and not really practical. Of course you should seek to heal your trauma and be able to be vulnerable and authentic with the women you meet. As well as making yourself physically as attractive as you can and having a lot of money and a wide social circle, etc. Doesn’t mean it’s impossible to date without these things just makes it harder to date attractive women with their shit together or have a lot of casual sex. Also worth talking about the codependence, independence and interdependence model. If all you want is a basic codependent relationship that’s not too hard to get into lol but a high quality relationship where you support eachother in achieving a meaningful life purpose is hard to achieve and is built through a lot of self development and reducing it to being open to connection seems a bit silly to me. Also self awareness is key in knowing what you lack. The loving part was not my issue I was mostly the needy BF without his shit together. A dude in private equity that’s overly ruthless from work will have different issues than me and other types of men. General conversations aren’t really that helpful.

You don’t need capital for your life purpose, you need a skillset and a direction. I would highly recommend this book, it covers specifically how to teach freedom and purpose in your career and life.

Of course, it all boils down to survival. We’ve been talking about the topic for a while but things are only now hitting the fan and true leadership will be necessary. Which is why I would encourage you to analyze your emotional reactions and foster the ability to be extremely pragmatic in these coming times.

Adam Lyons is a better example of healthier polyamorous relationships He’s had children with two women before and although one of these relationships broke off I do believe they’re still in good terms and co parenting healthily while he’s still dating his original partner and other women at the same time.

It’s also important to consider things from the female and male imperative. Women are more sneaky with their incentives and are usually not upfront about them(not that most men are either.) There’s a good book about this written by an Esther Vilar called the manipulated man. Also worth considering the foundation of why would women be attracted to more dominant man and how that relates to the state of society and survival. In good times you don’t really get punished for shacking up with a man lower in the dominance hierarchy. In more chaotic times as perhaps the ones we are heading towards now then that directly leads to a lower standard of living and in extreme situations a lack of ability to survive. @RendHeaven It has a little to do with narcissism and wanting to keep your line going sure but that’s not the issue I’m pointing out to you. It’s about fear vs love and you trying to rationalize away your fear.

I see your points and that does happen but that's a straw-man of the male self-improvement journey. Lots of ways to develop deep love and build deep relationships. I think it's hard for women to understand the male journey and for men who haven't undertaken it. I have made plenty of connections with my female peers along my life and I'm grateful appreciative of those connections. That had very little to do with my growing power and influence over reality as a man. I dated a girl when I was a clueless 24 year old and that was great but it doesn't compare to being a man with his purpose together having access and influence. It's like saying that being a bunny is great and why worry about the animal kingdom which works great until you get eaten and that's what happens to most men in life, running around in a jungle in which they're scared shitless and can be eaten up at any time. @RendHeaven I think the introspection you've put into your childrearing is cool but you're blowing this up way out of proportion. People have been worrying about civilization collapsing and life being too hard to bear since the start of time. You think people were thrilled to have children during the black plague which lasted 7 years and where people were dying and rotting in the streets? Yet here we are. You think people were thrilled to have children during the hundred year wars where entire villages would get raided randomly and people were subjected to fate worse than game of thrones? Humans are tough and we persevere and we'll be here 500 and 5000 years from now and if you choose to end your bloodline due to AI I don't know what to tell you, perhaps have a deep trip pondering that one.

I think you’re projecting and lost in your stage green idealism. Leo has been openly clear about his beliefs being extremely anti trump. He’s just playing devils advocate to a silly leftist. Watch the understanding the conservative mind episode and it’ll make more sense to you. You’re just venting your frustration which is fair but to have real impact on reality you must first seek to understand and only then seek to be understood.

I mean sure but to put it simply if you are the void then you build whatever you want out of that. Use your infinite imagination to build whatever existence you want and in a dating context to build whatever dream dating life you can conjure up.

I think you’re right in some aspects but you’re also deeply failing to empathize with the male perspective. You keep talking about connection, that means drastically different things for men and women. You’re projecting your wants unto our wants. From what I understand about your point you see it as men failing to let go of their process of self improvement to just be able to be themselves and find a woman to accept them for who they are. To be fair each man is different but I’ll speak about myself on this one. I am an ambitious intellectual who wants to explore the world and build a strong community across it that withstands the pressure of the world. I’ve spent my 20s working on this and throughout it I’ve connected with plenty of women along that time but since I was not who I am meant to be yet there was fundamentally not much for me to offer them beyond temporary companionship and for me to entertain them with interesting ideas that haven’t materialized yet. I’ve also met a lot of women that live in their feminine and want to flow in life and not be constrained by the drudgery of our system and it’s something I can offer them but not in my current form. I also don’t think you understand the concept of transactionality in relationships. In its lowest form it’s about people using eachother shallowly but in its evolved form it’s about people being able to share their deepest gifts and existence with eachother. Being an alpha man is partly about being sexually attractive but it’s mostly about finding freedom and purpose for yourself and that is not an easy process. To link it back to the Aubrey Marcus thread the reason those women are into him is not so much because he’s a stud physically but because he’s built a life of freedom, adventure and purpose for himself and is not like 99% of men who clock in clock out go home to enjoy the few hours of freedom they buy for themselves each week.

There is endless footage of cold approach on youtube

Plenty of people get in relationships without being top tier alpha males, doesn't mean those relationships are phenomenal or healthy. Most relationships I see are dysfunctional.

There's not much here that looks like peaceful protest to me and I would say that the federal forces/LAPD are pretty restrained and they would be justified in calling for martial law. I just watched the Understanding the conservative mind video today ironically, makes a lot of sense to me now. So hard to say though when the due process is also not being respect so hard for me to have a position.

@Natasha Tori Maru What emotional labor do you mean? There's also different parts to consider like what is the point of the relationship? For most of history relationships were about basic reproduction, not much more then that. If you consider relationships the people that you trust, grow with and explore life with then I don't see why polyamory and triads if not more arrangements can not be possible and involve whatever intimate and sexual components that the people in them wanna experience. Once again I think humanity is in the dark ages of relationships and even this thread shows how limited people are in thinking about their potential. It's more obvious to me because as an INTP I feel very disconnected to people I'm close with even close friends but when I get intimate with people it gets pretty deep and I have barely dipped my toes in the potential of that and I see most peoples relationships even that have lasted a while be shallow and fall apart all the time because they're not really that connected/aligned and just coping with life together temporarily.

Well yeah for sure. You can learn to manufacture this to build that share emotional connection with random women but it's more important for you to like her as hanging out with women you're not compatible with will drain you over time.

Plenty of women are down for upfront poly though. Probably like 10-20% of western women if I had to guess. Usually the problem is when feelings get involved and jealously starts to form when they get attached, not in the first steps of dating. @Natasha Tori Maru That's a good point on boundaries vs challenges, makes sense! It's hard in polyamorous relationships for men because even if he means well he can be clouded by self-bias but if he's upfront and transparent and not intentionally gaslighting then there's only so much he can do. He should be able to empathize for his women and do what's best for them but he also has to lookout for his greatest vision for his own relationships. Probably would help if the women were bisexual.

It’s a good video thanks for sharing. Also worth considering what type of women you’re looking to attract. Average women will feel more comfortable around an average man but particularly attractive woman won’t give those average guys much attention.

From what I understand that's correct because its more long form and includes more solid institutions than just businesses like cities and federal governments who issue bonds to raise funds. This video explains it in more detail. Hope for what? The world is in a state of chaos but with massively optimistic developments on the way. I wouldn't worry too much.

Here's a good recap of the yearly google developer conference We're starting to tip our toes in our new future reality. ChatGPT was cool but AI will significantly change our civilization in way more ways than that. World simulation is a pretty concept. Thoughts?

It's mostly a bad question. Love and a satisfying life/relationship are the prize. I don't see how seeing yourself as superior to women as the original question is phrased is helpful in achieving that goal or even to build more value as a man.

I haven't watched the full podcast yet, will do and update my thought as I find polyamory hugely fascinating and want to try it myself. I do notice some tension with the women(like their kinda hate each other) from the start so that's an interesting dynamic. It's perhaps not necessarily fully a toxic thing but can't be fully good. Read most of this threads and wanted to respond to general themes from the objections you guys had. Why is pushing boundaries(specifically in an open and consensual way) a bad/toxic thing? Most things in life push boundaries. My boundaries building my business and life are constantly pushed and almost violated from my perspective. My natural and safe state is smoking weed and watching anime/youtube all day, is that what I should strive towards? Usually transparency, openness and inquiry are features of truth and authenticity not so much corruption. The fact that he posted a 3 hour podcast and hired a relationship doctor to help them navigate through this shows a willingness to expose himself and build something. If a multimillionaire wanted to have a relationship with multiple women and didn't give a fuck about ethics there are plenty of third world countries where you can do that without scrutiny. I do see this as an evolution of relationships. Freedom to experiment and do whatever you want in a relational sense was and is still not accepted by the mainstream society(for a lot of good reasons too but some of it is control through shame/straight up violence.) There's a push of the pendulum towards conservatism right now but I don't think it'll last especially after AI really takes off and we reach post scarcity. People will start dating AIs and also use VR to have all kinds of adventures; sexual or otherwise. Humanity is still in the dark ages of relationships and we are not too far off from still being stuck in having sex in the missionary position with the lights off. How can that possibly be the truth since sex and relationships are a lot of what our life desires are based on and most people in the world are not free to explore that as they wish?

I'm also shocked that this was allowed to happen and is still an ongoing situation with the amount of global support the palestinians are getting. Thank God people actually protested and kept the issue alive or they would've fully genocided them. This and the Ukraine war shows we really aren't that developped and safe from atrocities and if we don't seriously get our shit together something like WW3 could easily happen and see another tens of million if not more people die.

@Twentyfirst Thanks for elaborating I see your point now. I agree that the west tends to demonize Islam and straw man it which makes honest conversation difficult though. I do think that the Taliban is a form of extreme Islamic government that believes in Sharia law and makes it harder to live in for women than countries like Saudi Arabia, Oman, Jordan and UAE(according to my quick AI search lol.) I assume that you're a muslim yourself and I respect that so is my family from my dads side. I will say that I reject all religions and believe in personal freedom although I do see your earlier point that if you do let people do whatever they want in all circumstances then usually all hell breaks loose as human beings are flawed and greedy creatures. I don't really see a solution apart from seeking truth and being honest and open to learning and ultimately killing the ego as our work here is doing.