Aakash

@possibilities the truth is nobody knows anything, so we have to make highest possible truths that govern directions. Therefore certainties are not to be demonized but challenged. you, yourself are talking with conviction it sounds. Although it amuses me the way you write and the positions that you hold, that i've read over the past week. But it doesn't sound like you actually do practices LOL you just come on here to tell people their deluded and at a shallow level of understanding as well as hold an intellectual ground. Your just going to go around in circles, a scientists confirms through self-validation whether thats external or internal experimentation. Lol but you demonize the position before you even give it a chance or are even skeptical about it. but yeah, this is when it comes to matters about any subject touching god. However, you give great general help information, i like that too. Overall, i think you have loads of potential to do something great to be honest ahaha. Call it a gut feeling. Irony is a funny thing, you will always create your own reality. So its not others who are holding positions, but always "you who are holding the position that others are holding a position about a certain position of a position"

My theory is that stage turquoise, coral and teal are spiritual stages in the SD model. I think that the convergence of duality to varying degrees of non-dual awareness actually creates a portal system for any lower stages to enter without having gone to the stage directly above them, themselves. its possible because of methodical systems. its probably easiest to explain turquoise, but you could probably become non-dual from stage purple, red, blue,orange,green simply by doing the spiritual practices. This is due to the fact there was a "system designed" to portal you to stage turquoise. Therefore we have different enlightened beings In my observation, stage yellow humans are likely to get directly portal-led to stage coral. As they are likely to design a system around non-dual god being the centre piece of the functions. While turquoise humans (after being portal-ed to stage turquoise, can portal to stage teal through some Reiki class. Likewise for momentary spikes in consciousness through "methodical systems" it is possible for any consciousness stage of the spiral to portal to stage teal for use of magic. Examples in my opinion would include, lucid dreaming, siddhis, spirit summoning, mass cursing, public sacrifices, reading into ones future. The difference between unconscious portal ling and conscious portal-ling is that the unconscious person needs external objects , to portal themselves, with method TO the specific variation of magic. With a conscious being, the mechanism is internalised and they are able to skillful practice the movement of themselves within themselves (non-duality awareness). [the unconscious person doesn't have non-dual awareness] , now it doesn't mean that conscious people don't have to use external objects, per say. its just by non-dual consciousness, the object is no longer anything other than inside of god (you). Furthermore, what does this theory prove. PSYCHEDELICS as direct portal-ling methods to spiritual stages. Psychedelics done by a tier 2 person, stage yellow, will likely induce an omniscient awakening because of the portal ling effect. The systematic approach to god melting your metaphysical knowledge into direct experience. Similarly, it will give glimpses of awakenings for any stage of the spiral. This theory also confirms how a person can directly access stage teal, without having completed a set of metaphysics. Each spiritual stage is a whole stage itself with different methods. The spiral stops becoming linearly-stacked stages through portal-ling. However, it is possible that it severely limits your scope of the stage itself, by not doing it in order. SD knowledge would infer that it is impossible to understand the occurrence of a new stage, without seeing the limitations of the stage before and guiding the principality or value system of the new stages. Therefore direct portal-ling is based on preference and choice, rather than the expansion due to limitations of stage below. As a result, it is possible to have a really spiritual non-dual being who knows nothing about systems thinking. I should also write, that portal-ling to a non-dual stage is a form of turquoise, that allows systems thinking to guide you there. it is possible as a unconscious person to think holistically and create systems themselves. Instead of building upon already current (limited) systems of explanation for "all of reality" models I.E most spiritual teachings. However, i'm not sure if this will convey correctly to you. non-duality is actually portal-ling through a system of methodology. You actually haven't yourself tried to BUILD a system holistically. So in its purest essence, you are actually a portal-ed tier 2 being, as opposted to a completed turquoise NON-DUAL being Enlightenment itself, cycles you outside of the system AND THEN BACK TO YOUR CURRENT SD STAGE, ironically with the knowledge of portal-based spiritual schools of teachings or in other words non-dual turquoise teaching. However, you can't get around the fact that your stage is most likely somewhere centered around stage blue, because you portal-ed there. Instead of contemplating your way there. It's actually the single foundation for building your own knowledge structure. CONTEMPLATION , you will never actually understand the meaning of a word without contemplating it yourself. You'll never see the full scope of reality without your mind and that is exactly, why you can't portal to stage coral. A) you need to be a tier 2 systems thinker created yourself or by portal-ling methodological use by other. B) you need non-dual awareness of any form C) You need to be non-enlightened D) you have to understand that enlightenment is different to non-dual awareness E) you have to see that stage coral is more non-dual consciousness than stage turquoise non-dual This is the reason why non-dual beings do not understand that god is everything and nothing without someone telling them directly. They will go on the words of their teachings, instead of figuring out how god is everything themselves. This also explains the structural difference between someone who says they are everything + nothing in stage turquoise (Traditional non-dual awareness) and someone who says they're everything + nothing in stage coral (omniscient non-dual awareness) Spiral portal-ing explains a lot of things IMO.

@SOUL Thank you, this post is actually the best thing i've ever read on my spiritual journey. it has put ALOT Into context for me. I really appreciate it.

@Inliytened1 I see, it makes sense. its as i thought, you locked out and therefore you don't know. What you thought was omniscient was actually circling back to everything. Which was actually nirvana. Which means that stage coral, is infact a different branch. However, there is no need for you to try, what it also means is that, there is no need for others to try unless it is part of their dynamic paradigm even in the enlightened form, Like leo. Not sure if he's enlightened or not, the sheer fact he doesn't want to lock would suggest otherwise. However, from an omnsicient point of view, it matters not because that locking restriction actually loops around you. Its basically a anti-locking-locking system. in other words, you are locked but in a different way, because its enlightenment entrenched around you. Ironically a different form of enlightenment. it is exactly that, who did you give your authority to... omniscient locks you into your own subsection of the infinite as the infinite.. which is what i sensed i was god as god post duality/non-duality collapsing with non-dual i locked partially into the whole section of the infinite but as god, but as the one god. again after duality/non-duality collapsed. Which ever way you look at it, Different expressions of the same as @SOUL said, which means you guys do have the choice is you wanted to, its just your already chilled out and blissful like soul said. You don't see the point because its the same exact thing LOL. the experience itself would not even matter because there is no experience. In the end, its actually pretty pointless to an enlightened being. Whether that experience as a different form of enlightenment, was greater or not. it really doesn't matter The dualities broke down in actually completely different ways.

@Inliytened1 Inliytened man! LOL please this is the most important question of my whole life! LOL! WHAT makes you and the others so flexible!! it doesn't make sense you are all enlightened. Like you understand that omniscient enlightenment is totally different to non-dual enlightenment. So like what makes you and the others able to swivvle towards it and not other enlightened beings!

Yeah i understand, its god not the name of the person with a limited consciousness LOL. thanks i think having a war with you guys has actually made me 100x more conscious! such is the term conscious warefare!

@Conrad Yes its taken you five weeks to convince me, but i think you are indeed enlightened and know god. its also shown by your absolutist tone I am happy for you

@Conrad interesting so you are everything and nothing. You have locked out aswell it seems ?

@Inliytened1 Right it also is understandable by you had an omniscient awakening. So what your saying is you are flexible because there is other which is one. So do you understand the metaphysics of god? and if you do why don't you try to become an omniscient enlightened being? because its okay not to?

@Matt8800 This is false, there is no atman. There is no need to make things better at this level of conscious development. simply put, the lack of meta-knowledge and authority given to famous enlightened beings cancels out the need to make such an action. This is why leo said even the buddha never wanted to teach. he was just going to sit alone in silence. its exactly that. The relative human consciousness determines your level of enlightenment relatively, however once you enter enlightenment. That relativity is masked up, which you are okay with because of the true nature of self.

@SOUL Yes i get that, i mean your human body, what does it decide to do - Does it decide to sit around and do nothing or do you attempt to help people. I am aware what i'm asking is a false claim, its just relative knowledge.

@Inliytened1 Like seriously lol if you guys are in exactly the same place! why can you tell him its everything , but he can't tell you its everything. this is a contradiction, either you are not enlightened or there are degrees of enlightenment that are actually higher than others enlightenment. These are degrees of god. there is still the fact that you really don't know what you don't know. So there are degrees of enlightenment from the relative world look from a seperate self, but not from the opposing side. Which means you are locked out, but you can see the beauty of the world and winter knight or i think soul can't wouldn't you say that is a major difference? is this what you mean by being "okay" with it ? so your enlightened self is actually adaptive, that's quite interesting

@SOUL May i ask what do you do to help in the dualistic world?

@Inliytened1 But how did you manage to change and winterknight didn't ? when you become everything . Doesn't that mean you never locked out?

@Inliytened1 You don't understand, you haven't locked out of the system as total as this yet. There is no winterknight. We are essentially talking to nobody. There is nothing we can say to him, that will make him change his mind because he is indeed completely enlightened. To him this conversation isn't even happening. any word used to describe him and his enlightenment. Will not do. Its like i said, it's the final stage of enlightenment. what happens is your meta-knowledge and your ideologies, problems etc.. get "saved" like a save point and that's it.. you'll just work like that the rest of your life. because your knowledge structure of enlightenment and who you are will not change. These are not debatable points for him. We are not even ignorant to him, because ignorant doesn't exist to him. it is as he says ultimate peace and ultimate bliss. Which is not even in his experience. its undescribable in words, even for us. its a state where its impossible to contemplate, so it's virtually impossible to change your position on any topics because they don't even exist in your experience. its a strange loop that can't be broken, once you enter. so its being locked out. Scary indeed , it gives me chills. However, i'm glad that you are here on this forum winterknight and i am glad that you are you and you are happy with your enlightenment. This is all i can ask for from one human being to a non-human being. The true self doesn't change, the duality version of that true self changes. This is the only thing i can infer. But you must lock out to know what the true self is. The difference between a bodivista and buddha nature. It doesn't matter consciousness will multiply infinitely, but the buddha nature won't. They are the same and they are different. But this is from a seperate self position. when you are completely enlightened, the whole illusion dispels. including the break down of non-duality/ duality.

@Conrad interesting i believe you actually. let me ask a question, do you experience or is there absence of experience for you?

@winterknight You know what i think, i think that enlightenment is a phenomena, that cycles you outside of consciousness and all its systems. But may i ask, why do you still quote ad vita vendata and not look to change in any knowledge structure? Its just that a complete annihilation of your knowledge structure and experience. In other words its a VOID within a VOID within a dualistic VOID within a BLACK HOLE within nowhere, no place , no time its the true giving up of self. Whereas we can fathom that your experience lies within a larger experience of god. To you, its completely nullified. its interesting for sure, you have most certainly reached nirvana However, why does someone like @foxfoxfox or @natasha not agree with you when they have experienced themselves this same pocket of space. its exactly this, nirvana can take the extremes of any paradigm. because its infinite and will basically resort in a lock when giving up self. No new knowledge is gained and no knowledge of true self is lost. its just not within your nature to go and help the world at, but for someone like sadhguru it is. Which means there's no actual difference between your enlightenmnet, your experiences which are no free will on earth was in what lead you to be locked at your enlightenment. Which means that, its actually dangerous as a society imo, to let people follow you. it would be more advisable to get locked at a higher level of consciousness before permanently locking out of the system. For example, if i permanently locked out the system at stage coral. I would be doing the exact same thing i am doing now probably. I wouldn't even quote non-duality or advita or any spiritual school of teaching. I would be quoting my contemplation. Therefore its as you've said, that whole issue with trying to balance non-duality and duality is only a distraction itself. Interesting, but this begs the question like @sychronicity @ fox fox fox @ natasha @ aakash @ inylightened one all think (in my relative opinion of everyone elses viewpoint) what makes you right? to which the answer is, you are indeed right. It just goes against our principals of humanity This is exactly the reason i didn't like how nahm didn't learn any true metaphysics before he still managed to lock out at a higher level. Yet he's still able to keep a balance within the world of relativity. Its interesting... it basically concludes the answer and that is, you can lock out at which ever stage you want and that's the brillance of enlightenment. There are degrees of enlightenment/ consciousness, but there is only enlightenment and there is only one ultimate locking out. Still i must add, it has nothing to do with the god particle, it is still within the existence of the god particle. However, its the ultimate lock out. As long as you reach this lock at even at higher levels of consciousness. Your locking out at the same place, but in a different location. Still in the middle of nowhere, the most incomplete-complete god particle. However, that doesn't change the fact that there will be more "conscious" incomplete-complete god particles in the future. So yeah, everything makes sense

@Conrad @ROOBIO Lets add a bit of relativity to this 10 years of sober practices = 1 boosted psychedelic experience up to you, how you want to play it

@ROOBIO Through contemplation, however, once you've maxed out the process. Then you have to pull insights from within a higher source and this is the benefits of psychadelics. They take you directly there and its very unknown all the time how deep it will take you. So the mapping process is difficult.

@Gili Trawangan Deep sleep is loss of identification with the body in my opinion. Which technically means your consciousness joins the collective consciousness of "sleepers" Therefore its a state of consciousness within the absolute. God is therefore imagining that he's dreaming. More distinctions and forms of consciousness, more expansion. Different dreams ... more distinction expansion. @Nahm Lol lost efforts , how about a momentary jump in now LOL. nevermind though, i don't want to move the thread topic.

@Nahm that is exactly how future sights works. Tomorrow is actually today more accurately tomorrow was actually yesterday giving you a new now today

@TheAvatarState yup LOOOL! highly accurate. Sitting there questioning ourselves what were doing so we decide to dunk our head, head first into the soup to try it if i remember, it didn't taste of anything LOL was quite bland then question whether we even have a face

@TheAvatarState Don't worry that goes for my perspective aswell, in the face of the god particle. it's no valid than a smaller table cloth than yours

@AlwaysBeNice Yeah lol The answer to every question is yes and no. It is the job of the conscious person to decide which is the most valuable and to whom. There is no getting around the problem permanent enlightened states, have no effect on the holistic nature of reality and therefore the traditional enlightened being ideology will get killed off in maybe 140,000 + years time. It is good today because we see so much suffering and are aware others are unconscious, but what happens when the whole thing flips full circle and traditional enlightenment is the lowest. hence i say, it is the lowest in non-dual transcendance which transcends itself an infinite number of times. All you can really do is create the best life for yourself and others while you are spending your time here on earth. The choice is up to you, how you do it. The traditional enlightenment doesn't scale just like leo said in his video

you misunderstood what i said, it's infact neccessary to do it however much you need until you find a conclusive answer, then its important to find a new point of view that may be higher. When you find a higher one, then start the process over again. its more healthier than leaving for your society to decide by default there's no stopping going full circle, a CIRCLE IS a strange loop! ahaha, once you think you got it, you will automatically start from the position that you don't actually know. You can never completely know, so its just best we cater against the worst odds , I.E THE MOST CONSCIOUS SOLUTION , there is always a trade off between distinctions of any kind the more times you go full circle, the more happier you will be because you will understand how to understand different points of view more and not react to them. yup, that's it. if you ever uncovered the survival strategy as illigamate, then you will die over again. Because you are eternal being and there is no such thing as true death and non-existence. There is only existence so there is no way to elimate suffering for everyone. Only minimise it