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@Jack River yes but what was perceived was actually there lol! It was just understood in the wrong way ahah and that makes understanding itself possible and infinite ahah Yes buddy starting at the begginning again ? the human will always understand it wrong, because the human perspective itself is not absolute lol. It is part of the absolute. Finite mind would have to go infinite.

@Jack River if it’s done from thought of a perceiver who is human then it exist as concept! If it’s done from being (god’s mind) then it exists as form (this is what I was getting confused with) dimensions would be pockets of emptiness with their own rules defining that pocket. I would have thought (concept) yes because the human created the distinction and that made his own self reference problem and the self reference problem of having human based conceptual knowledge . But from god’s mind. There is no self reference because you are already included inside of it in the correct way. ? in one swoop it has made talking about this stuff redundant for myself lol. I only have my human perspective ? so I’m way behind lol

@Jack River yes but I’m not talking about a direction no up, no down, no left , no right, no diagonal, no inside, no outside, no centre this is still somewhere, that location is nowhere lol give a being lack of direction and he would be not even be considered alive

Gravity becomes real from the humans point of view. The meta perspective is: No here is happening no where. Gravity, is making no here happen “some” “where”

@Jack River your welcome bruddha, ??

@Jack River form is formless because it’s empty. But emptiness is all form because it’s formless. Yes gravity is magnetic in both of our thoughts so we can say this statement is true. (From the human perspective)

@Jack River okay re wrote my answer 5 times. Let me know if there is anything wrong with it. I think there is, but I’m not sure which part I’m getting wrong. I think it’s does it have to be materially physical for it to exists and the answer is no, because form itself exists. Even the imagination of it makes it exists. But it’s delusion to say it exists because it’s material form and that material form is atoms and not nothingness, which is why we get this whole debate over everything being formless and not form. So nothing actually happened. It only appeared to have happened. “Beyond non-duality/duality conceptually” So to conclude, gravity is imaginary but it exists. it’s substance is formless, and that formlessness allows it to have form. In the shape of a thought. Which exists. Which is. Which is hallucinated/ imagined to be real. And can be proven not to be real, when you take the thought away. But it did not ever not exists. It existed only as a thought, which was nothing. ? ugg my brain needs an ambulance. This would be so much easier if my being was synced up. @Leo Gura I feel like I’m getting this twisted. But I’m not sure

As long as directions exist for you, All forms of physics exist. Without distinctions, what is up and what is down ? However, gravity works well in our practical life for understanding positions in space. So unfortunately yes gravity is imaginary literally like everything. However, in the world of form, it has no choice but to exists as form. What you are doing really is calling the difference between visual space. “A force of gravity” it’s not actually that gravity is there. It’s that the difference in space between forms needs to have something connecting it. Otherwise you could not create a chain link and detailed explanation of what your actually viewing. This is what I call beings becoming more complex by adding more distinctions to create greater sense of being finite forms. Its funny how we always “discover” new things in the world, because we say it was already there before we came. But was it actually ? Lol are they sure it wasn’t made as soon as we said it was there and made it so. Lol creating higher distinctions as I said. Why was the world considered flat and that our ancestors might fall off ? Because that was literally the concept they built for themselves. Everything you know is a concept. That’s what it actually means to say that form is formless and formless is form. ANy distinction is delusion. (Form) and the formless is infact a distinction too. So what does that leave us with ? Its being and they’re are indistinguishable. So yes gravity actually exists. But it exists as a concept in your head. Not out there in actuality . But in conceptual actuality it exists and so it is a partial truth like all else because there’s no difference between, real or not real. It’s actuality that doesn’t have an opposite because not actual is not a possibility, that’s non existence . This is the non-dual way of looking at duality. So gravity exists! If you can imagine it or believe , it exists for you.

Currently we are very responsive to reality and it’s lack of knowledge about why the nature of things exist. If they are not random, then what exactly is the nature of nature. Nature is reacting to nature, without you actually doing it. What your doing is actually just being aware of it’s story. Even once you get to the forefront of the story. What exactly are you doing ? Are you creating a new definitions of things for nature to be revealed in repitition at that stage as god or is it still nature reacting to its own nature in an infinite loop and all nature’s are already here. You evolve to handle the natures around you. But what is the end point of evolution ?

@zeroISinfinity Ive begun cutting off my head ? using knife, not chainsaw this month.

@Jkris what is your meaning ? If I’m being honest, all devilry even in plants is rooted out. Do you know what this shows me. It’s that evolution is evolving to create greater distinctions of self. The feeling of self. Still only valid in the world of form and forms of seperations. Otherwise it’s meaningless as all is unchanging for eternity. Is form formless or is formless form ?

@zeroISinfinity ? ordinary. Extro-ordinary As Natasha said. What does your being tell you to become ? Mines tells me everyday to become rich and then to create some cool ideas and maybe help out some people along the way.

@Jkris make up the meaning ? Life purpose ?

@zeroISinfinity interesting, how godly can you become ?

@Matt8800 I meant end point as in, it’s purpose now. It’s purpose now is it’s endpoint because it’s continuing for infinity

@zeroISinfinity ? Spiritual adventure has a good ring to it.

@Nahm ? we all different but the same

@zeroISinfinity @Nahm ? fine I get it. Playtime, all of it

@Nahm the appearance of rising in consciousness ?

@tsuki my whole idea comes from the fact that it’s not that your thoughts are created by god. But it’s that your thoughts are subject to nature. The more that is revealed about the nature, the more accepting you are of it. This is how we can look at a baby and say “yeah it’s okay that your stupid” So something is changing or working towards as awareness of itself is adapting to survive its own nature. So you live a good life by understanding natures. Where does it end if I knew all natures as a repetitive cycle ?

@Ibn Sina I mAy have a useful experiment draw two large squares exactly equal in size and draw lines through it as many times as you want in both squares. Then compare them and ask yourself what makes these two different ?

The big controlled bang ?, does anyone know if it’s gone bang yet ? It said it was meant to happen 5 est time today.

@Mu_ Alright, I’m not sure either

@Mu_ very true need to stick to what’s important and currently it’s saying: what is actuality and why can I grasp it. Actuality is the practice itself of practising a negation technique until it’s what is. How to escape a prison ? Dig an infinite tunnel. What is practice ? “I don’t know” maybe ? What do you think lol

@Mu_ when you take all illusions out and are left with actuality. Or in other words, what is god’s perspective in actuality. I posted a picture of a nuclear bomb going off and said it’s beautiful. This is god’s perspective. When there is nothing outside of it, then there is nothing outside of it. That which is outside of it, is actually inside of it and that means that what is not actually true is only inside of it. How is it held inside of it ? As an idea or a concept held by the person. Nothing more than an imaginary phenomena. But Is actuality imaginary ? The idea is that form is imaginary from the point of our view of it looking at god’s perspective of god itself. However, this is not god’s perspective. This is your perspective of god’s perspective either in concept form or actual form if reAlised. In god’s perspective there is only god. Does god suffer ? No does god love ? Yes does god hate ? No does god hate ? Yes through you does god imagine ? No does god imagine ? Yes (through you) does god actualise ? Yes does god imagine actuality? No does god imagine actuality (reality) ? Yes (through you) Does god see a difference in actuality ? No does god see a difference in actuality ? Yes (through you) every duality is created through you. The end of reincarnation is the giving up of self and devilry. The ineffable as I call it. Is the part of you that does not know itself to be god. Give up the ineffable and that is enlightenment. In other words, is it a paradox or actuality that duality exists and we have all found that if materialism is a concept imaginable. Then anything is. God is imagining the whole of duality. But this imagination is for you as a seperate “me” it is not actually the truth of actuality, “what is actually here or isness” If you complete enlightenment, you will die. Vanish into the night sky ... It’s not that your body is yours to command. It never was because reality itself and everything we talk about is not actuality. This last part is in theory. Your physical body could never talk about it, if it experienced it. Because that’s duality itself. It’s an impossibility. You would have to die, to know and then by that time. Your dead, so there’s nobody to know. And so knowing means unknowing. Etc etc etc .. because knowing and unknowing are duality with opposite. It’ll just be being without an opposite. The question you have to ask yourself is. If you die, what happens to actuality and the answer is nothing changes. You return to the market place having forgot enlightenment because “me” was never my thoughts or real in the first place. “Me” was just a concept. But emotions, materialism, hobbies, jobs, work, life, death we’re all real to “me” so they are distinctions by you. That is needed for partially living. It’s just not needed for actuality. So they are important. So the “I” needs to survive to be functional. So life still goes on. But has the i, fully died to truth. Because me is me and me is not the true me. But all is fulfilled when the true me is me. That true me, is still you but it’s now the true me as me and not me as me. LOL the mind fuck. Gives meaning to the answers to everything is inside of you