Aakash

(2) thought is not egoic

You are not your thoughts you are not creating your thoughts thoughts are being driven in 1 or two ways 1) derived thoughts from self (reactive- egocentric) 2) derived thoughts from SELF (active- lifestylecentric) awareness is detached from everything including thoughts = you are not your thoughts they are reactive deriving thoughts from self (1) awareness is detached from everything including thoughts = you are aware you are not your thoughts but awareness deriving thoughts from SELF (2) lifestyle choice = thinking with mind And "all is [enter word here]" doesn't change in any regards and never will

Finally, lifestyle choice does not equal ego ego is only ego to ego that is ego (an illusion created by an illusion for the purpose of defining an illusion to an illusion) lifestyle has no opposite enlightenment has no opposite enlightenment is lifestyle = enlightenment = is therefore lifestyle is

you are the awareness itself and nothing but the awarness having an experience, the experiencer is you and the experience is also you you are aware of yourself at all times , whether you are conscious of it or not is a different story

consciousness is aware of itself when consciousness is aware = you are is/consciousness and awareness to all degrees

@Ecocotton everyone has different reasons for pursuing enlightenment, however deciding its going to be good or bad before you've experienced it in your direct experience is a fear that won't benefit you in any way. If i told you yes, you would persuit it if i told you no, you wouldn't you still wouldn't know for yourself if it was yes or no. so the answer to you is still not helpful itself. you have to experience it yourself

psycho - induced numbers to remember to ^^ wake up now

@ajasatya wise words, thinking about being enlightened doesn't make sense in the first place !

@ivankiss sublime work, keep working that ego loool!

Thinking about it again, the delusion created is inheritantly narcassistic no matter which way you dissect it. words like "doing it on behalf of the greater good" or " it is what needs to be done" creating your own heros journey yourself is therefore something that doesn't need to be done in the first place normally the choice is out of hands, because the person runs across an obsticle that he needs to overturned but all obsticles are not external in this matter they are internal to the being so all enemies fought out there are delusions created by the self battling the self , overcoming the self and becoming a better person or (hero) in the grand scheme of things then coming to the place you started (yourself) at a surface level and then as a master of the self , helping others but this again itself is inherant narcassism because it is not what needs to be done so the master waits until his skills are one day needed by someone else he doesn't seek to help because he has mastered his self so by definition, you can only seek to show others the TRUE heros journey, if they wish to follow the persuit Help me with my contemplation, i feel like there are many things missing here

@TheAvatarState okay i see what your saying. thank you

@TheAvatarState i see, yeah i can feel my ego attaching to it and making a bigger deal out of it then it actually is. i didn't quite understand what you mean by this though

The true hero's journey is mastery over the self (or the awareness which self currently resides in)

@Sockrattes you should read the document he posted first; its quite eye opening before he sends the videos

@Arhattobe this is interesting what you have written let me ask you a question, the first ever question i asked leo 3 weeks ago when i decided to start using this forum. it was along the lines of if i want to know what i am in its entirety do i need to read the religious text , because it seemed to me that nomatter what enlightenment experience or awakenings you have had, it is only someone who has gone the full way who can tell you whether what you have experienced is the full thing. the next thing i asked was, most people who interpret the texts after give false narratives of what the original text hold, you have to read the original scripts in its original manuscript. so does this mean i need to learn the language to understand the scripts correct to know who i am in its entirety. This is the reason i asked

@Shin another question, when you guys are meditating- in your presence of awareness do you hold onto your body. meaning are you awareness (after you've found it) out there or are you awareness within the frame of your body or the last option is are you the totality of awareness the body (being felt as being) + out of body awareness? i feel more complete when i have adopted a sense of being through the body aswell because then i think i've driven it through direct experience. But i'm not sure if what i'm doing is correct.

@Arhattobe what are these limitations ? as well as this?

@Shin can the presence of awarness, also be called being? so just being as awarness

over contemplation indeed have got over my need for social injustice, now i look back, theres an irony of laughter ahah. however, my problem has still not been solved. yes causing the division between whats good and bad was subconscious and incorrect, so was deciding universally what was right or wrong. However, there were only hints of green in that mix and of other colours in the spiral. My main focus was to create an understanding of the differences shared by people and an overall foundation of what exsist in systems in our world today for children. i have the idea or purpose lets say in my head, however, i want to purify my subconscious thinking before moving further. I would still only relate halocratic / haluistic and big thinking to a yellow mode of thinking because turquoise is ultimately illusive by its own nature. or it would be more accurate to say its illusive to myself. so i'm here to ask what schools of turquoise teaching in mainstream education would look like. i'm not looking for answers direct to non duality although i know its an encorporation of its essence. However i'm looking for any specific examples like i would say being able to monitor your emotions is kind of a turqoise thinking and being aware of your thoughts in a sense. However, i'm probably wrong. Any example would be good for me to contemplate. Since i haven't reached a level of embodiment so per say. I can only really create distinctions from a yellow perspective so i would like to hear from you guys about non duality teaching in normal education systems. i guess you could say its the non dual perspective (yours) of non dual teachings in mainstream education systems rather than an idividual who understands other peoples perspectives that are themselves limited (mine)

@Key Elements Although to continue this question further, its understandable doing non duality works for children above age 19 in my opinion. How is it that carrying non duality teachings would work on children younger. this is why i feel like you cannot mix the enlightenment and the life purpose because you will be saying things and teaching their brain doesn't understand. you have to break it down starting with simple concepts and build upon that. suffice to say you can still see them as yourself obviously. But you cannot talk about non dual teachings entirely you have to split into main stream dualistic topics and therefore is harder to embody no? compared to teaching people aged 19 and above no? you have to be super super conscious!

@Key Elements i will take a look at the turquoise tread- as far as i am aware currently, the whole section points too how the human system or the maya so to say prevents humans from reaching enlightenment. This includes, um emotions, thoughts, concepts, ideologies, beliefs , science etc .. and other form of oneness concepts. I think some refer directly to enlightenment whilst some just deal soley on the inabilities by human design so to speak. I guess this would be great information to take from and learn to incorporate within the body of concept text that this change in learning style could take for mainstream education. WIth regards to my own path, i have started to take steps forward by: 1) getting rid of my narcasstic thoughts to be a social justice warrior and AVOID continuing along the path of enlightnement further 2) establishing a life purpose that i can do for non social justice reasons 3) trying to contemplate what love is really and embody more every moment, i feel like this was my problem. as @shin tried to explain, that its heart-mind and literally i only opened up my mind and not my heart. however, i'm beggining to see why i cased myself conceptual limitations and why i couldn't accept the whole world including @ivankiss whole devil talk. etc... so i'm am taking the next step and opening my heart and continuing where i slacked off before instead of going off and fighting enemies created inside my own mind. Suffice to say, it's a struggle ahahaha so the inclusiveness of everything is difficult 4) i have agreed with myself that enlightenment and life purpose should be simultaneous and would work out better for everyone individual YOU involved. I'm just afraid that i will not have completed the journey before i open up this school so per say and for this reason i have seperated them out into seperate issues. However they should be together. none the less i feel i would grow "spiritually" by accepthing this responsibility of taking on this challenge i wish to compete lastly, besides opening up and embodiment work , i should really be admitting to myself that i'm lazy and have many problems with actually doing the work and i.e sitting down and doing enlightenment work. Its a problem i will deal with; and i won't shed the accountability elsewhere, even on being a quote on quote "milenial"

@RainMan thank you for your comment. but i'm looking for scrutiny in more detail. Could you perhaps explain in more detail about what you mean? so we can have a healthy debate so per say?

@Serotoninluv the yup! thats exactly what i want my teaching pedagogies to teach, the exact perspectives you mentioned but transferring them between intrasubject, therefore children won't be able to lock paradigm before they reach an age where they can inquisitively enquiry into the nature of all of these things collabrateively. This will, i think increase the chances of raising conscious by choice of the children being fed the correct information about perspectives of the ameoba. The level after #4 , i wouldn't go so far as to call it #5 is as you haven't either. But its a true halocratic or oneness where words break down from this "perspective of everything" and thats what i feel the children need to get for themselves. At this stage if they are interested, they themselves can visit channels like mooji or sadghuru but ultimately it leaves them at the first stage of the 10 ox herding pictures. "you've heard about non duality or something" So i'm literally only talking about to #4 where the viewpoint of perspective becomes holocratic from the pov of collective ego when this happens. if they've experienced the halocratic nature of any different collective egos, because this would be by the age of 16 - 18 you can't expect a child of 8 - 14 to get to the number 4 stage lets say and some kids won't even get there but they will be better equiped to deal with situations. this is the map itself of the terratory! building a map for young children to adapt by choice, but following the guide line of normal school regulations. i never knew about the word pedagogies, but i'm going to need to add that to my dictionary, because thats what i'm talking about. from a practical standpoint the map is only valid up until the START of the non dual pathway. Whats your feedback on this goal? do you think its a valid plan or atleast possible if the teaching/ training methods change? i want to really tailor it to the individual and in that way by opening them up to many possibilities, they will be able to understand thier a purpose to their work by having a holocratic view from young.

okay i mean the same thing to "collective ego" and how to be aware of them and how to deal with debates between them. This i think is done by understand the assumptions to counter the groundless assumptions made by everyone. In itself it allows the individual to change their assumption based opinions and question inwards hence following a path towards a non duality self by their own inquiry. i totally agree with you about the flavours of just one social consciousness for example a politicial group either right wing consciousness or left wing consciousness. this is the "amoeba of people becoming aware of itself" i find thats its not locking these beliefs into paradigms over a good education of halocratic teachings by the time you get to 18 you'll have a relatively good view of whats going on within the physical world and then those that wish to follow a metaphysical/ spiritual path can do so afterwards , theyll have to question who am i through their own development at one stage. yet it should only be a decision made by themselves. for the ameoba to become aware of itself as a consciousness group is the non duality of itself. i see what your trying to say in oneness sense though, its a bit different to what i'm saying because your counting oneness becoming aware of different amoebas of itself even if they are different amoebas or just itself being itself. is this the turquois view point you think i should take and integrate it into dualistic teachings such as the one i mentioned above. ultimately i feel like were saying the same things with different sense of oneness. i'm counting individuals as distinct indiviudals even if they are the same me, you or One as you are. I think you've given me my answer! thank you! its to teach as if your teaching the person you are yourself! but its an interesting topic so lets continue what do you think about oneness taught in dualistic ways , it can't be this is why words can not get there. so i don't think it will work, it can only be done by building a map! and thats the intricate design that teaching in the correct manner i think can give. If the haloistic teachings are taught simultaneously then a map can be made. but its still in duality so will it work in your opinion for lets say children aged 8-18?