Aakash

@Key Elements Although to continue this question further, its understandable doing non duality works for children above age 19 in my opinion. How is it that carrying non duality teachings would work on children younger. this is why i feel like you cannot mix the enlightenment and the life purpose because you will be saying things and teaching their brain doesn't understand. you have to break it down starting with simple concepts and build upon that. suffice to say you can still see them as yourself obviously. But you cannot talk about non dual teachings entirely you have to split into main stream dualistic topics and therefore is harder to embody no? compared to teaching people aged 19 and above no? you have to be super super conscious!

@Key Elements i will take a look at the turquoise tread- as far as i am aware currently, the whole section points too how the human system or the maya so to say prevents humans from reaching enlightenment. This includes, um emotions, thoughts, concepts, ideologies, beliefs , science etc .. and other form of oneness concepts. I think some refer directly to enlightenment whilst some just deal soley on the inabilities by human design so to speak. I guess this would be great information to take from and learn to incorporate within the body of concept text that this change in learning style could take for mainstream education. WIth regards to my own path, i have started to take steps forward by: 1) getting rid of my narcasstic thoughts to be a social justice warrior and AVOID continuing along the path of enlightnement further 2) establishing a life purpose that i can do for non social justice reasons 3) trying to contemplate what love is really and embody more every moment, i feel like this was my problem. as @shin tried to explain, that its heart-mind and literally i only opened up my mind and not my heart. however, i'm beggining to see why i cased myself conceptual limitations and why i couldn't accept the whole world including @ivankiss whole devil talk. etc... so i'm am taking the next step and opening my heart and continuing where i slacked off before instead of going off and fighting enemies created inside my own mind. Suffice to say, it's a struggle ahahaha so the inclusiveness of everything is difficult 4) i have agreed with myself that enlightenment and life purpose should be simultaneous and would work out better for everyone individual YOU involved. I'm just afraid that i will not have completed the journey before i open up this school so per say and for this reason i have seperated them out into seperate issues. However they should be together. none the less i feel i would grow "spiritually" by accepthing this responsibility of taking on this challenge i wish to compete lastly, besides opening up and embodiment work , i should really be admitting to myself that i'm lazy and have many problems with actually doing the work and i.e sitting down and doing enlightenment work. Its a problem i will deal with; and i won't shed the accountability elsewhere, even on being a quote on quote "milenial"

@RainMan thank you for your comment. but i'm looking for scrutiny in more detail. Could you perhaps explain in more detail about what you mean? so we can have a healthy debate so per say?

@Serotoninluv the yup! thats exactly what i want my teaching pedagogies to teach, the exact perspectives you mentioned but transferring them between intrasubject, therefore children won't be able to lock paradigm before they reach an age where they can inquisitively enquiry into the nature of all of these things collabrateively. This will, i think increase the chances of raising conscious by choice of the children being fed the correct information about perspectives of the ameoba. The level after #4 , i wouldn't go so far as to call it #5 is as you haven't either. But its a true halocratic or oneness where words break down from this "perspective of everything" and thats what i feel the children need to get for themselves. At this stage if they are interested, they themselves can visit channels like mooji or sadghuru but ultimately it leaves them at the first stage of the 10 ox herding pictures. "you've heard about non duality or something" So i'm literally only talking about to #4 where the viewpoint of perspective becomes holocratic from the pov of collective ego when this happens. if they've experienced the halocratic nature of any different collective egos, because this would be by the age of 16 - 18 you can't expect a child of 8 - 14 to get to the number 4 stage lets say and some kids won't even get there but they will be better equiped to deal with situations. this is the map itself of the terratory! building a map for young children to adapt by choice, but following the guide line of normal school regulations. i never knew about the word pedagogies, but i'm going to need to add that to my dictionary, because thats what i'm talking about. from a practical standpoint the map is only valid up until the START of the non dual pathway. Whats your feedback on this goal? do you think its a valid plan or atleast possible if the teaching/ training methods change? i want to really tailor it to the individual and in that way by opening them up to many possibilities, they will be able to understand thier a purpose to their work by having a holocratic view from young.

okay i mean the same thing to "collective ego" and how to be aware of them and how to deal with debates between them. This i think is done by understand the assumptions to counter the groundless assumptions made by everyone. In itself it allows the individual to change their assumption based opinions and question inwards hence following a path towards a non duality self by their own inquiry. i totally agree with you about the flavours of just one social consciousness for example a politicial group either right wing consciousness or left wing consciousness. this is the "amoeba of people becoming aware of itself" i find thats its not locking these beliefs into paradigms over a good education of halocratic teachings by the time you get to 18 you'll have a relatively good view of whats going on within the physical world and then those that wish to follow a metaphysical/ spiritual path can do so afterwards , theyll have to question who am i through their own development at one stage. yet it should only be a decision made by themselves. for the ameoba to become aware of itself as a consciousness group is the non duality of itself. i see what your trying to say in oneness sense though, its a bit different to what i'm saying because your counting oneness becoming aware of different amoebas of itself even if they are different amoebas or just itself being itself. is this the turquois view point you think i should take and integrate it into dualistic teachings such as the one i mentioned above. ultimately i feel like were saying the same things with different sense of oneness. i'm counting individuals as distinct indiviudals even if they are the same me, you or One as you are. I think you've given me my answer! thank you! its to teach as if your teaching the person you are yourself! but its an interesting topic so lets continue what do you think about oneness taught in dualistic ways , it can't be this is why words can not get there. so i don't think it will work, it can only be done by building a map! and thats the intricate design that teaching in the correct manner i think can give. If the haloistic teachings are taught simultaneously then a map can be made. but its still in duality so will it work in your opinion for lets say children aged 8-18?

@Serotoninluv i see i already counted this as halocratic thinking and socialism because you can't teach these through philosophies of non duality as the parents would count it as religious spirituality. this is the big systems i thought of that i counted as yellow because saying that it is "you" would be rejected by the parents completely. but taking what you've said on board in this social consciousness lets say or holocratic thinking, would you simply say that it is .... teachings to become aware of oneself within their environment of or of their own self/ nature? i.e their emotions, their awareness because yellow would be understanding the different perspectives of other people. This is more being aware of their personal actions and using the fact they understand different perspectives to do their actions with more consciousness.

what did you mean by social fields of consciousness?

I feel like i've understood my problem but i'm abit confused I have truthed for myself through direct experience that i am not - the body , my neurones, my emotions , pretty much anything to do with being human. I have said i am not that so what does the term embodiment mean for you does it mean something along the lines of opening the channels back in a reverse flow way to allow your infinite self through your body once again but rejecting all concepts of the body. Hence when we talk about love, i though of it as a human concept because i never had a direct experience of infinite love to shove through the body and embody it. creating it is fine, it should be the way through embodiment. I Guess i still haven't made this connection between my body and the infinite self so i'm abit confused at the moment. lol

a) is it because love is being b) is it because everything is you c) is it because there are no dualities and therefore love does not have a duality as fear is duality with no fear no love doesn't make sense, its basically in words- no love for yoursel no love for non duality and then its like to actually embody this what would you do force love out of your system ? d) all of the above note: i am not talking about unconditional vs conditional love. i'm simply stating that what is love then? its most definately not a feeling

@zambize aahahahahahaah echkart tolle has been defeated >>>>> choose your next pokemon .......... sadghuru level 100 ground water (/////------) 245/ 600hp mooji level 100 fire dragon (//////////) 620/620 hp ....... >>> sadghuru, i choose you select attack yes or no am i right, yes or no you are not this body hydro pump >>>> sadghuru used you are no this body ....... ...... ..... the attacked missed

I'm not gonna lie, i've lost a sense of direction after today, its like yesterday i was at a stable foothold that i could walk around and now i'm just free falling. gosh its a good thing that this is a life long search. .i think i'm going to get stable first in my life before taking this search seriously again. Thank you for your help

@winterknight thank you, those were helpful words

@Joseph Maynor i have a question, where am i relative to the ox herding pictures then. every time i assess myself, i assess myself further than i actually am

@Joseph Maynor okay yeah thats a good duality to eliminate straight away. Good catch, i would have actually gone looking for whats real. Note taken, ill do some inquiring now!

Thank you everyone for your comments, @Nahm definately interesting! It's one of the purposes of life for me ahah to find feel and embody what genuine love feels like. I mean who doesn't love, love i feel like a kid who's just been told santas real for the first time ahahah i'm so happy its actually real and i was only conceptualising it

@Joseph Maynor :') well said ahahah my ego is jumping the gun abit , ill find it myself as i already am it!

practical and empathetic in what terms? practical for me would be that you can manifest it by yourself ? emphatetic would be you feel as one with something/ someone else? what are your terms in a way, i'm not asking for concrete definitions. I'm just saying how would you explain what your feeling? @Joseph Maynor

@Nahm @How to be wise can i just say that when i do look at everything as myself, i start to see how beautiful everything is as a formless version of consciousness. I think to myself look how amazing this thing is , its perfect and then i get a warm sensation of just pure admiration for the thing i am looking at. previously its like i said i never thought love was a feeling but maybe this is my limiting belief as i conceptually believe its as how to be wise said and is associated with thoughts, maybe i considered it as an illusion aswell. But maybe thats the illusion itself, that infact its actually whats real! the warm sensation is fuzzy and it makes me smile, making me look longer at the object. what does this sound like to you two?

@Nahm gotcha! i'm actually excited to do this one and do you agree with @How to be wise that it is a feeling. Because that saves me alot of time, this maybe my problem because i definately think of love in a conceptual way and not feeling of it!

@How to be wise so does that mean that love is a feeling you feel 24/7? aka its in your being all the time

@Nahm i would say people use the word love to express their affiliation for a certain section of live. i.e a sport like tennis, its like theyre saying i value you by using the word love and so effectively you are valueable to me, for myself to survive i must love you? if i forget that definition i would then redefine it but i would say isn't this also wrong to redefine it?

@How to be wise i had a feeling you were going to suggest that, alright ill go do this work in actuality! is there a pdf that i can find or do i have to buy something?

@How to be wise wahhhh! this is amazing ahaha i absolutely have no idea! :') I wonder what negative thoughts i have blocking it! do you have any methods/ suggestions i can use to unravel this mystery.

@Sunil Kumar @How to be wise so what would it be inaccurate to say that there is highler levels of love, i guess what i'm asking is do i have to make the effort to love or will it come as a natural essence of being?