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@Nahm Thanks i see what to do.

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@winterknight okay cool, yeah it makes sense the words cannot be explain it. thank you once again.

@winterknight interesting i see the problem, that there is actually no problem. lol so do what you want now

@tedens no thought, but i can't live all my life in no thought. its not how i personally want to live my life.. a true human is no thought, consciousness. just pure awareness within a conscious mind, but you can have an unconscious awareness and still be full awareness, this is why i said enlightenment is just being seeing things for what they are.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! of course i never left man, you can never leave , but i'm talking about thinking about it halocratically as everthing is awareness takes abit of practice, to change what is and go about your life like that

@Nahm sure i would like to laugh together, and make funny analogies if its the only thing left of value loooool. this is the question i'm deciding for myself today, if everythings an illusion what do i do? laughing doesnt sound bad

@Jack River why because its literally like saying if everything was perfect what would you decide to do with this illusory life? because thats literally the question. yup this is exactly my problem, because they're connected anyway, illusions are still apart of the whole reality whether you accept it or not .i think of awareness in the now, and the aware of in the now, but when i think its just an illusion so its division but its not really ofcourse, don't know why i think of it in this way.

yeah thats my problem, the original questioner who was on the path at the beggining had pre concieved ideas and concepts and the truth is destorying all of them one by one. Yes silence means there is no thought , there only is the knower. alright ill inquire further until it stops completely thank you. there are still a few things i want to get clear, like what to do with my life and all those but i know they're still the very illusion itself thanks once again.

this is like the millon dollar question loool! how did you decide to do it? make creative puns for people?

Thanks i see what you mean, interesting way of looking at things. can you explain further so i grasp what you mean completely. cause then your saying the whole of spirituality is just one big joke

@winterknight it leads to the same answer again silence lol SORRY for asking too many questions, there's so many concepts i'm finding out i believed in that were just concepts. Thanks once again.

yeah because of our current level of development in spiral chain, we are red/ blue developing into orange and green. so our problems are now becoming about equality and thats why inequality has become common amongst people for the past 20 -30 years. it's just natural progression. the answers that will really solve things are halocratic answers, like only giving resources to people who need the actual resources which is what the system currently does but it values it against currencies which is a concept and therefore fails against the truth. you need some other form of measurement system that is possibly only findable with people who detach from the system in turquoise mode. otherwise how will they know, they aren't decieving themselves the ironic thing is that non duality can never solve the issue but turqouise thinking will, non duality will increase the level of compassion for the resources and respect for its use and the benefits of the overall system as whole. but it's not integratable into the systems. i would expect that a nonduality system is reducing the number of misconceptions and illusions and then you'll see a whole field of people of meditation ahahah and doing nothing all day and those that want to work can work looooooooooooooooooooool! its actually so interesting thinking about it, think about it, if everything was an illusion, what is the best way for all of us people to live?

@Peo Dude the best people in the world ,are those that have asked themselves the most question. so good on you!

@Jkris i'm not equipped in the function of speech to say a perfect answer really, like i said i'm not very self -developed if you believe there is a concept called enlightenment, then yes you can have varying degrees of consciousness and enlightenments. The search can always get deeper and deeper and you can create all sorts of self-delusions for yourself. what is there to do when you realise it's all an illusion, the best thing to do after is to do absolutely nothing and reside in knowing of the true self because if you hunt for something it merely is only another delusion of the giant mind that is reality. everywhere you go, any direction you move is and is an illusion. when you know this truth and are not in ignorance then what would you do if you had this realisation in the future? plus the thing that you are , once you probably realise it at a high level is close to silence, aka or you don't exsist and so they go live in a monastary.

@Jkris A) I'm not realised b) i think i'm with wintersolider on this one, there's no point of answering questions about yourself they're misleading to the point where they don't help in anyway because you hold concepts about it- yourself put it like this i'm not very self-developed, embodiment etc all of that kind of things , to an adult level or master level so to speak but none of that changes the thing you are? so i would say yes i'm still capable of jealousy, fear etc all of those kind of things, or any possible delusions for that matter, i could always self delude myself but i dont think ill hold attachments to it. so i won't suffer from it. i'll still experience it. but i don't think id be like oohh why am i feeling these things , i shouldn't be thinking like this, this is wrong for me to do, because i think anyway i'm aware of the i, to the degree that i'm aware of it.

@Highest its hard for me to ask this but do you know this in actuality or in concept? concept = just knowing there is one actuality = just knowing there is one have you actually gone out and found the one?

@tedens 1) they either don't know about it 2) they are seeking too much 3) they are lost in concept land 4) its difficult to seek the very thing that you already are 5) its so blindingly obvious that its too easy to reject the idea there are very few people who attain the realisation, and when they do its so stupid and laughable that there's no point of saying it to people. only if you still have ideal concepts about what enlightenment is that you go and tell other people, look there's this amazing thing it helps with a,b,c. these are fake gurus in my opinion. then you get the genuine ones who help spread the word, only through their teachings, they never actually say to people you should hunt enlightenement. you can't tell people something they already are, or they will just laugh and say i know, when they don't really understand what your trying to describe. for example, the sentence are you aware? can make you enlightened. its just doesn't transfer the essence of the word i hold and change what the essence of the word you hold too and this is the same for the world enlightenment. most people think enlightenment was a period of time from the 1800's to 1950's where scientific revolutions were in booming constant, this involves light, engines (i think) etc.. it was the time for science. for some people its too direct of a solution if i told you enlightenment would end your suffering and then i said meditate, most people wouldn't actually do it unless they are suffering.

inqeuality is a misconception its assuming that first there was a chance of things being equally distributed to everyone secondly, that all invididuals will distribute their possessions to everyone without a need for leveraging anything against it. even if you equally distribute everything out, eventually it will still run out and the whole system will crash again and go back to how it is now so the question is the best way to distribute the resouces and currently that is by accumulating most of it for yourselves to survive. i see only two options transcend the whole model or remain within the model itself, transcending being everything is fine , regardless of the situation. This is the exact reason british economy has decided to grow at 2% a year because there is no way it can keep up with demands of the changing environment where they want control of all aspects and be equal at the same time, and has lead to the right staying in power for the majority of term. therefore equality nor our current system will never sustain the world and we are slowly reaching the end of democracy, and so inequality will never be solved. equality is not the solution either. but it is a higher conscious one.

@John Lula its called freedom in a way, reality doesn't need to be any other way and therefore it allows itself to be what ever it wants to be without exception. so yes your thoughts become your own self-deluded reality and that includes your beliefs as you mentioned. as for a soul, its better to just think that there is one supreme spirit/ soul which is the same in all of us. This is ofcourse a concept to describe the actual thing in reality but its a more truthful concept lets say. just don't believe it wholeheartedly and find out for yourself

@Peo No, the DNA sequence is itself an illusion. it might seem like it correlates to a change in protein structure for example and that might possibly relate to a certain type of disease, enlightenment is the totality of this whole event, its like saying to look at DNA is to investigate the yolk of an egg and enlightenment is the whole egg itself. PS i understand i'm not speaking from a materialistic paradigm, so saying it is an illusion isn't going to help you. so to explain by maybe saying DNA and enlightenment are not connected, both are different concepts. SORRY i'm not adept to really answers questions in the correct format. but i hope i managed to help in some way.

@winterknight dude if this is the case, then i'm literally chasing my own tail and this whole enligthenment thing is literally a concept and BS. BS. BS. the whole thing! FFS even everything about enlightened masters to literally every concept in this world. all i know is that whatever that is, you know what i'm talking about, that is all there is. but when all these masters and everything talk about ohh the natural state of enlightenement being, love or being what ever BS i'm finding it to be now. Is THIS all BS aswell? i am in agreeance that the only thing is silence and that looker/knower/awareness is all that exsist and has, so i'm not sure where these people got to the fact that they are love and show it. thats what i'm struggling with and trying to copy now because i thought it was the right thing to do.

As for why people get enlightened faster than others, i would say that each of us who believe we are a soul carry with us our own baggage of illusions and self delusions which we exhibited to get ourselves to this very point in time and this current understanding irrespective of what we know/ believe. remember we are each a self-delusion ourselves, and yes in respect to a time orientated timeline, we have gathered karmic energy over many lifetimes because a soul can not be born in one life time in my opinion, it takes alot of lifetimes to accumulate an infinite number of self-delusions into one place at one time in the infinite. some people have less baggage than others and therefore are able to become enlightened faster than others. if i had to explain in detail reality itself is an illusion creating machine so leo for example could have racked up 5 illusions over an infinity of time, the order of those illusions go: 1) I (not in words, in feeling, infinity feels like its alive) 2) i am alive (this is me, look i exsist) 3) i am 30 4) this is a cat 5) we is spelt W AND E lets say i myself have created 500 delusions, (my soul, just like leo's soul is his own<-- because he has amassed delusions of i) 1) i , 2) i am alive, 3) i eat chocolate 4) chocolate is brown 5) i have a sweet tooth 6) etc etc etc etc this is you building up karmic energy, You have to undo each of these delusions to see the self but they range in strength, size, because were talking about the power of imagination. we are all just an imagination, in reality nothing is happening. in TRUE REALITY and even the fact that we are souls is not happening with x number of delusions is not happening. these delusions are imaginary within the mind because infinity accepts everything as whole, so imaginary isn't even imaginary, its a word that does not exist in reality.

for absolute infinity to have a fininite mode of being, which includes the creation of souls, absolute infinity itself must create the illusion of life, multiple lifes = multiple souls by emperical numbers of past/ future however, when an enlightened master says they have seen their previous lives, it is not entirely correct. what they mean is visions that do not belong immediately in their experiencing gets downloaded into their heads in a matter of meditation, this can be interpretted as previous lives, and then you get the notion of souls, as i said the illusion of life= souls but really they're creating that awareness there and then and is as real as any other form of awareness, i.e the awareness of a dream like meditative state experiencing their previous lives is exactly the same as a person eat a cheeseburger. all stories can be justified thereafter and explanations given that its old lives.

Does anyone have any material/ know any material or how to become an enlightened master. for examples questions like what this means or any books etc, any practical ideas like watching how other enlightened beings react to questions.