Aakash

@Pouya the conceptualisation is probably causing you problems because you are trying to become enlightened as soon as possible, your true self wants to find out who it is, but you haven't given yourself time to contemplate the nuances of the wisdom that has been put before you. Immediately you take it on as belief and this is where it pains you later because you have not considered the infinite variables and the paradoxes at play here. A good place to start would be to see the duality in things first before considering they are non dual and illusory i.e humans hate and humans love, but are hate and love different or similar things, where does hate come from, is hate the opposite of love and love the opposite of hate before you start concluding with hate is the same as love, there is no such thing as love, these are advitta traps that people get into, once in a while, because they haven't considered the nuance of the topic and because they aren't wrong about calling everything illusory, but they don't consider that the illusory is existant as everything else. also i would recommend spending more times on the practices as opposed to looking at actualised.org, just do it for a month, don't come on here and just get a good grounding of where you at, what you know to be true, what you know is a belief and go again from there. that way you will engage with your direct experience only.

@Anton_Pierre this is where i am at, but there seems to be a cognative disfunction because your identification is with two things, not one you can't be the watcher and then have god working seperately from yourself aswell as you can't be god watching god's finite being because thats two different consciousnesses occuring simulatenously when there is only really one consciouss in this state you have both human consciousness and god consciousness, but in reality there's no such thing as human consciousness, the human body would be moving by itself as all forms are interconnected and you have to let go to this idea, but you can't also be the one witnessing i haven't worked out the paradox completely but i have a gut feeling theres something untrue about this.

back story so through the identification with a human, and for the survival of the human being we think we are, the human being lie, steals, attaches, loves partially, is inauthentic. However, once you have found your true self, the awareness then bringing those qualities of awareness back through the human vessel and purging the subconscious into reidentifying with the correct self, the true self. true conscious + true human empahthy true consciousness + true human compassion true consciousness + true love the typical human in all its way the ego you created gets transcended, meaning enlightenment should purge your every cell, it has to because all the deciet you created for yourself, is the world of karma you thought by identifying with the self,including the other self-delusions you've picked up by believing in belief of others. as the true self, there would be no need to lie, no need to for anything really, not even the title human or anything else this is the nuerosis picked up by those who have witnessed no self, but have not completely explored all the facets to god, as rupert would say waking up on the level of heart and not just the mind for example. question this means although the human world does not exist, as awareness the main finite form you are in is human, so living in the world as a human without identifying with it, with your true self qualities would be what an enlighten master takes years to perfect can someone help me understand this better or give any additional information on this topic,

lol the self doesn't go anywhere it was just an idea, the belief that you are a human named alphaabundance is only a belief and so the idea dissappears into thin air upon death theoretically. ofcourse theres also the real point that it never existed in the first place, so it never happened and there is no death.

@DrewNows don't get the wrong idea, i'm not critising it, i'm complimenting it lol, just in slang

you will only understand if you understand what it means to be a self first

@Joseph Maynor lol neither of you did, you are both just expressing your points of view , but if i had to choose one it was obviously seratonin ahaha! cya joseph

this makes so much sense now, however, its like i said joseph, your arguments are always a mixing of both worlds together, whilst other people are here to completely eradicate their sense of self, they are too seperate issues altogether, where you wouldn't take your sarcassm or the fact you wrote the issue in a way that basically the only answer was yes as an issue but others do but seriously, as literally everyone does lol i guess its a defense mechanism but thats something every human being in the world does, especially when they get info bombed and can't be bothered to reply appriopriately, they break it down into smaller chunks of understanding @Serotoninluv thats actually crazy wording for sarcasm lol

what do you mean by getting all hyped up

@Arhattobe i see it is your subconscious programming after all, thanks for your words, im sure theyll go along way

@Arhattobe i see your point of view, you certainly have a point, how do you go about purging your subconscious if you are not doing it by ego identification? and when even to become desireless is a desire itself

@Arhattobe yeah it makes sense, there feels like there's no need to improve yourself further, and even if you try to.. its only the character life that is improving, so i can see why alan watts decided to be an alcoholic why do you add so much importance to cleaning out the subconscious , i do find however that you can also find that you can always becoming more loving, more like your true self everyday but yeah @Mu_ sorry i didn't understand what you mean, your going to have to rephrase it

@Arhattobe @Mu_ fine, then what is the truth of the matter?

but does it matter to one, when they have completely let go of their identification? in the end consciousness being conscious of itself is all there is?

@Mu_ but i mean we are only aware, the true self is all powerful so there is no capacity for an individual self to choose. so i really don't know whats going to happen, whatever the story i am only a witness to it.

@winterknight okay thank you for your honest opinion.

@kieranperez i second what david said, its ironic but its the simplest trick to realising you are already aware, you don't actually need all this mind stuff to recognise your true self, there are many paths but the kriya path only works for those that have done alot of contemplation for themselves, otherwise you have no choice but to believe leo by default, because your not able to think of the infinite causation links yourself between paradoxes. suffice to say, my biggest breakthroughs have come in silence and just being aware

@winterknight yes it is a recognition of the true you and its location is omnipresent, its everywhere including within you, as reality IS the SELF

The true SELF located the SELF or the true SELF recognised itself.

@winterknight I = Self i (lower case) = the story of the individual when locating an indiviudal seperate i in self inquiry there is none found thats when you locate I= Self (captial) - the one who is aware

i count the story of a character and the character (aakash/ the ego would believes he exist) as just form, so when i say my character i mean, the void's finite form

@winterknight i just want to know if it sounds like i'm deluding myself in any way but its pretty hard to think your deluding yourself when you get to the end of the process because theres only one thing left. consciousness everywhere. but i guess this is still just mind stuff of my character aswell

consciousness . consious of itself as conscious (i)

@Mu_ she talks about refining the self, even though we are just the witness, the self should be refined and purified, i.e no desires to be rich, famous etc. but we are only a witness to the story. so how does refining happen

@winterknight nobody i guess, i guess these would be illusions aswell because there is no seperate i doing these things, that is still identification