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If you are Yahweh, then does that mean you're not Yahweh? And if you're not Yahweh then why did you just call yourself Yahweh?

@seeking_brilliance hey expert, I feel like recognising you're in a dream is a bit hard m8 because the sleeping state is not the waking state. You aint yourself when you're sleeping. Care to elaborate?

as both Eph75 and Leo pointed out, contemplation has its limitations. Getting over those limitations is necessary not optional. As a contemplator, you could say your strength is curiosity. Research heaps of different meditation and yoga techniques, then find which one really draws your curiosity. Then follow that curiosity and see what you discover. This is the least effort way for a contemplative/curious/scientifically minded sort of seeker to go beyond contemplation.

Lol enlightenment isnt a magic pill to allow you to do anything. Enlightenment is a personal enquiry into what you are. It has 0 affect on increasing how wise you are, how attractive you are, how wealthy you are or how successful you are, how well you can astral project, or how big your dick is in comparison to other non dual dicks. Its purely a personal thing for you, that only you will appreciate, no one else. If you truly dont care about knowing who you are, and if you cannot handle keeping that knowledge to yourself(because theres no others) then figure out what you truly want and pursue that. Theres no point pursuing enlightenment if it isn't what you're aiming for. Pursuing enlightenment for egoic reasons is just going to make you more miserable and waste your time. Plenty of people who arent ready for enlightenment chase it and waste their life because they had the wrong idea about what it was.

Ive been trying that all week and i feel like a deliberate insomniac haha. The 2 finger thing is pretty good for that too.

So eph75's answer is a great elaborate one. Thought I'd just chime in with a simple answer for diversity: Focus on the aspects of your dreams that feel good, and chuck away all the stuff that doesn't. Focus on feeling, visualising and being the good parts of your dream NOW, rather than visualizing them happening in the future. If you have to do something that you don't like, but it contributes to you doing things you do like, try to focus on how the stuff you don't like IS helping you, and is your lifeline to doing the things you do like. Visualise loosing that thing you don't like, and visualise how you'll also loose that thing you do like. The visualise that you got that thing you don't like back, and how that lead to getting all the things you do like back. For example you've got a boring job but it gives you money to make music in the afternoon. If you're not happy with the things you're doing now, set your intention to live and be and have more of what you want, and less of what you don't want. For example, if you want to be making money off music instead of your boring job, while doing your job and work, focus on feeling and visualising making money off music now(multitask).

@seeking_brilliance hey! Do you have a book specifically on trance work? Ive been using Daoist techniques from a book you recommended but its just too complicated. It sort of works but its a bit of a pain.

definitely evil that's just wrong.

I aint awake so I don't know But I wanted to offer an opposite/different perspective then what the other posters offered for diversity. This perspective is mostly based on verified inquiry and observations not of a seeker, but of reality itself. Instead of viewing stuff as someone seeking vs someone not seeking. And truth aint found to truth is found. See the universe as a fluctuation of energetic vibration where your level of ignorance is sort of a symbol that represents the energetic vibration you're operating at. Energetic vibrations are sort of like circulation of energy that the universe goes through. Sort of like how water evaporates to clouds then rains down again, energetic vibrations go from low, to high then to low again. Being on the path or aligning with truth is to go with the flow of that energy, while suffering and stupidity is going against the grain of that energy, going against it would be like rain falling down during evap or clinging to the clouds when its time to rain. At the surface it seems like there's different levels of ignorance, from believing the 3D world exists, and a bunch of other stuff, to realizing you're one. And then somehow awakening experience teleport you to these different perspectives. But in reality that change in perspective doesn't actually happen. You know the universe is One as much as an enlightened person right now. Heck even Trump knows the universe is One. Yet he will tell you its 2, not because he's in a different perspective to an enlightened being, but because his low frequency expresses itself through assertion of 2ness (or 3d world or whatever). Trump is feeling and being One right now. If Trump's soul teleported into an enlightened mind and body and trump saw what its like to be an enlightened guru. Trump would say "ohhhhh I knew this truth all along! Heck I live it now! The difference was my low energy and frequency!". Trump also feels his low energetic state even though he is enlightened already. And to vent or lament about his low energetic state, he expresses the world as duality or 2ness. Its sort of like when someone is angry about what happened in the morning, then in the afternoon you say hi and they shout at you. It may seem like they were angry at you saying hi, but actually it was what happened in the morning. And correcting the anger when you said hi would require him to fix up what happened in the morning. In a same way, it may seem like Trump is saying the 3D world exists because he's in a less enlightened state to an enlightened being, or he's less aware or more ignorant, but in reality that's not true(just like how hi didnt cause the anger). In reality its his low energetic state that is making him say the 2ness. The point I want to get across is, when you do become enlightened, you'll have the realisation that you were already enlightened all along, because the thing you're seeking is what you already know. You're looking for something out there, but what you're actually looking for is what you already knew all along. So what gives for the path then? Why isn't everyone awake now? Well... the answer is because they are in a lower vibration/frequency. And the whole point of the path isn't to discover what's true(because you already know that very well from birth). The point is to up your vibration. That's what every seeker really wants, but they confuse it with truth seeking.

That's not turquoise, that's waking up, which is totally different to growing up.

of course he's acting, everyone is acting. @Fadl I agree with you on the anal thing! Although it is still Love.

We could categorise what's survival vs what's not survival based, but I don't think I'm qualified to answer that. A consensus from men and women here would certainly yield a substantial list that would give a better indication. Rather I'd like to think that approach and attitude constitutes that of a conscious romantic relationship more articulately, as opposed to upholding a list of criteria which is to be adhered to. What we all want, regardless of spiritual calibre or inclination, is to see the love, beauty and intelligence that shines through our ignorance and deception, and some of us may be more on board directly with that, while others stagnate within their attachments and need time to penetrate through them by means of suffering or adversity. Regardless of the latter, we are not bound to follow those that are stagnate if we don't want to, and can rather, if its in us, choose to live in a way which honours what we truly want, and demonstrates, or even proves to the ones we're in relationships with, that this want isn't just within you but them as well, and that its just the lack of exposure and perspective to an alternative to the status quo, that's keeping the stagnation in power, and the joy of the present infinite, hidden. As God, there's deep joy in experiencing ALL of who you truly are, from everything to meditating in a cave, varied careers, varied experiences in holidays AND to varied personal relationships, where the point isn't necessarily focused on maxing out feeling just 1 particular variety of experience, like pleasure from sex, but on broadening it so you can connect the pleasure of sex with other varied experiences, and draw insights between those connections, as to deepen not just the pleasure from sex, but experience/God as a whole. Once you see, for example, the connection between sex and intimacy during holidays, or time of adversity, or bonding over family, you get a deepening of the sex, along with all those other things which makes the experience as a whole deeper and more God like. The relationship was never about the finite. It was never specifically about her, or you, or the relationship, for that was all ignorance. It was always about the love, intelligence and beauty that shined through it. It was about You. Yet for you to really appreciate the You as fully as you can, the contrast of ignorance, and working through the ignorance is what give the true you its sparkle. Working through the ignorance is the icing on the cake of infinite love. Truly, there are no absolute rules or regulations when it comes to being truly happy, no rules about short term relationships, long term relationships, conventions over birthdays or family get togethers. Rather the rules are scaffolding for building up to seeing Yourself as fully as can be. The rules are to be played so you can deepen yourself with the One. You can choose to do that, or you choose to not play the rules that way and live in stagnation, attachment and misery, its your choice from the free will that you have.

Moving on means seeing that our love for you is conditional helps us see that our love for God is unconditional Which means we should love the fact that we only care about you because you provide us value, if we cared about you for who you are, how the fuck would we let you go to get enlightened? Its a beautiful dance of getting and chucking away, like elegantly designed staircases to heaven. Its not all just you're a fucken horrible piece of shit because all you care about is survival. Yeah we are horrible pieces of shit, and that's beautiful because it helps us see that we are all infinite love. You said in the past that you want to go into a cave. I was basing it on that. And I didn't say you have redpill garbage, I said your followers do, so the stuff you say might not be appropriate for them.

Definitely, but don't forget, its universal. Why are people on here trying to get enlightened other then so they can turn into some messiah to be blunt about it? Yep that's a huge problem, and as a mystic its your job to kind of eliminate that. I don't think sitting in a cave will resolve that. If anything sitting in a cave will allow the ego to spiritually bypass the shadows found in relationships. I have personally, and I bet many on here have aswell. But once you've done the dare and saw how terribly egoic and survivalish and horrible your relationships are, you gotta swing the pendulum back to add in the conscious aspects And btw, except for some of the women, not many on here think relationships aren't all survival, infact they are too far in that direction, they have more along the lines of red pill mentality then lovey dovy sort of stuff.

I get that, and considering how society is too far the other way (conflating survival love with true love) the massive pushback you do on here has its merits. But consciousness and spiritual aspects are not survival. And I may be projecting lots of stuff, but I'm not projecting your explicit omission of the non survival aspects in relationships. And omitting the non survival stuff which can be included in relationships, makes the view of relationships impartial and incomplete. And it does lead to distorted views on here. I agree that relationships are survival, but they aren't just survival, they are spiritual and conscious aspects built on top of survival. Just like how your meditation is built on top of the survival of society. Omitting the spiritual aspects is omitting the icing on the cake, and it definitely does lead to toxicity, dissatisfaction, anti-truth behaviour, excuses for manipulating women.

Yep that's the attitude of someone whose awoken. Unfortunately though, your wokeness is impermanent.

Leo's competitors aren't allowed on his forum, goes against forum guidelines.

guess you're not a cute guy anymore. you're just a plain, old nobody now.

Yeah, i hope you dont get offended by this, but i feel like if you were a man for a few weeks, you'd see the missing picture. From my POV its sort of like you're guessing what physical attraction is for a male without feeling it in your bones. Which is fine because thats all females have, and i dont get what its like to be a female. Physical attraction isnt actually shallow for a male. Its on par with when you see a beautiful statue made by an Italian artist. Its a godly sort of beauty in its developed form. Thats why its so important. I dont think women see men like this at all because they arent physically attuned. So that overweight example, it doesnt really apply because looks aren't important for women. Like for me personally, if you told me that you dont like dating homeless men, I'd be like why? Thats silly, dont get it, because if i had to pick up a beautiful homeless women from the slums of Africa, I'd definitely do it, because what job she has means nothing to me. The fact that she looks like an artform made by some Picasso, and she's got a feminine vibe, is all that matter purely on the attractive front(you can develop frienship stuff like emotional connection and love to enhance it, but purely attractive wise, that's all thats needed) But just purely guessing, I think thats different for women like how looks are different for men. Something about security and attraction with a homeless guy? Idk because im not a woman. If a woman has no career drive, i don't givr a fuck like how women dont really care about looks in a man. And superficialities of society are not on par with mens views of looks with women. Like society can be highly superficial about a lot of stuff physically, and as a woman you may be tempted to use those superficialities to understand why looks are so important to them and conflate the 2, but you cant because they are wildly different.

Is strawmaning my take on the issue really something that a wise, non egoic women like yourself would do? No ego going on here right, too above that stuff i see? I guess thats the only way to treat a lesser species like the male one. You're sort of getting maslow's hierarchy of needs and chopping off the lower parts because you think it aint spiritual enough for your selfless, magnificently evolved ego. You need both for a male. You can have deeply profound intimacy and love in a relationship, but it has to be built off a solid foundation of physical attraction(for a male). And again if you dont like that, whose to blame but you? What perfect life are you aiming for? A life were men don't care about looks at all? Whats That really gonna givr you even if you teleported to that world? You really think the world would be a better place if thats the case? Would that really fulfill you? C'mon you've been on this site for how long, watch rumi vids and still cant see that this is a loosing strategy in contrast with the absolute? Maybe that ideal that men have to be blabla(not care about looks) is the very thing thats the problem and gotta be dropped here. Maybe thats why god made us as physically attuned as we are now, because he put you in that parallel universe and you got too crazy with the men and forgot about yourself

You're right but i think labelling relationships as just completely and utterly a big, swirling survival game sort of muddles the water between conscious vs unconscious, healthy vs unhealthy, decent vs indecent relationships. It gives you a free pass to be a dick and view women red pillish. Because hey its all a big toxic ego game anyway right? Being a dick is just survival! And this mindset isnt good for you, let alone the woman. I think a better way to frame it is relationships are a mix of conditionals and egoic deception. You can lower the ego deception, but you ain't changing its conditional/finiteness. You can have completely healthy, minimal ego type relationships, but the conditional requirements and needs of both parties still apply regardless. Which means you can have really loving, decent relationships, ones where you do help each other grow, evolve spiritually, stick up for each other, and other high conscious behaviour, but its gotta work ewith and be built on that conditional/requirements/exchange framework. You gotta make both happen. Denying the need of that framework like what some of the women are doing here is just idiocy. But on the other hand labelling the entire game as just one big survival game is just as idiotic because it misses that healthy possibility.

In reality, men do stay with women when their looks change from old age. Its not like its common for 60 yr olds to break up due purely to age alone. Most men's sexual drive deteriorates by then so that you dont have to worry. But besides if your looks do change earlier on, from bad habits like eating unhealthily, its just as painful for the guy to stay with you as it is for you to contemplate him leaving you. Just think about it, if you had 0 attraction to someone, how would it make you feel to be forced to be with them purely because society judges, humiliates you into thinking you're evil if you leave. Its a prison. Women arent objectively more genuine then men on this. They are just as survivalish/conditional, its just you cant see it because you're a woman. I could give you 100 ways all women are just as superficial to men, but because you're a woman, you just cant consider that possibility(as shown in this thread). You can still love someone with 0 attraction. Its called a friendship, and almost no guy would have a problem with a friendship. Its your biases and survival needs of needing that guy to be sexually exclusive to you which ruins that possibility. Women should pretty much be self sufficient in developed countries to not have any other problems with this anyway. As Leo said, men dont choose to be attracted to you or not. Its something that they have to put up with. You can say men are selfish, but they didnt choose their needs. Leo does try to protect you from getting hurt by the fact that looks are 60-80% of what makes up attraction for a male, regardless of how conscious they are, by telling it to you blatantly. You can call a relationship survival, but thats not the real issue here, as calling relationships survival muddles the water between healthy and unhealthy relationships, whats actually going on here is relationships are conditional and finite. They end. If they dont end in your life, they'll end when the body mind dies. And any rejection of that aspect(like fear of men leaving you from looks) is rejecting the truth that this shit is finite. That rejection is ego and survival. There's no way around it, you must go back to formlessness rather than attached to form as part of this journey, and guys leaving you for looks is part of that process. If guys were attracted to you forever, you'd never go back to formlessness.

@Shin hry shin are you a woman?

@Leo Gura the smart thing about what you did is you were seriously honest, to the point where it would turn low conscious people off, so that it leaves only the mature to apply.

Yep soon we will be buying these joystick looking things, plugging it into our dicks and having virtual sex with everyone in town