
Spinoza
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Spinoza replied to WildeChilde's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Truth Addict Islam is part of our history, we should not develop hatred against who follow it, but i think when we talk about islam, we must be honest with ourselves and admit that it's the product of his time, we can keep the good things and delete verse and hadiths that are controversial. Ps: A lot of people including muslims don't know that many islamic pratices were years before Muhammad in Arabian peninsula, many practice were not new to them (The good and the bad) -
Maybe what is written in holly books is not metaphors, but we can see it like that to make it better
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Spinoza replied to WildeChilde's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I can understand Arabic, and i can tell you there is a lot a lot of Imam who spread hatred and violence (many have television show, dedicated newspaper page..etc) I understand what you mean, but you may not know that the first victims of the radical islam are not the western, but the modern muslim, or the none-muslim who are born in a muslim country Many muslim dream of a state under Allah rules. even those who drinks alcohol and don't pray. in my country we lost 200 000 people in the 90's because of these radicals beliefs, they killed many intellectuals, artists. in these countries you cannot build church (you can find only old/historical church). you can't say that you are not muslim if you are born there. I think that with internet, muslim are becoming more open minded then ever before PS: I don't hate islam or muslims, i grew up with them, and i know how they thinks, i just wanted to say that there is also a complexe problem in muslims mentality without blaming anybody. -
Spinoza replied to WildeChilde's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I really enjoyed the video As an ex-Muslim who grew up in a Muslim country, the definition of Islam by Leo isn't what they teach at the mosque, school or by society. and it's not what you find in Quran / Hadiths by Muhammad / Arabic Fiqh books. and i can tell you that MOST of muslims will be offended by Leo message. The definition of islam which Leo gave is so similar to what some Sufi believe, which is a tolerant islam, more philosophical and less dogmatic, those Sufi are demonized by many other big Islamic leader (very known and followed by millions) Personally, i like this Sufi view, that Allah is inside us / some even believe that the Heaven (Janna) or the Hell (Jahannam) is symbolic and it's on earth, but it's not at all what islam is (according to Quran, Islamic books) The language used in Islamic books is so direct, it's not a kind of poetry or ambiguous text, Muhammed taught (Compassion, helping poor, co-existence, and all the good value that we can find in other religions) but also at his time, If you say something bad about him they will kill you (and there is many stories about that) As @AstralProjection said, Muhammad was peaceful at the beginning, then he turned to a dictator (If you read the Quran you will see that the first verses was peaceful (the Makki Quran) and the reste (Madani Quran) is violent, and it was when Mohammed become a leader with an army) I think Muhammed tried his best at his time, and as Leo said, it's an Actualized.org version of 7th century. i think if we were at his environment we will have similar value, and if he were in 21th century he will be more wise. Before becoming a prophet, Muhammad was a friend with Waraka Ibn Nawfel who studied Judaism, and Christianity and maybe the first who translated the Bible into Arabic. And maybe Muhammad never existed (all what we have as informations are from books, there is not archaeologic evidence of his existence). The big mistake in islam is "it cannot be changed, it's for all times, all places", this caused a lot of suffering Maybe you don't know, Muslim people don't really read religious books and i think this is why they are not radical, and islam is more a culture than spirtuality, those who read many of them are very closed-minded Leo's video is so valuable and i think this kind of message can really help people to see beyond theirs closed mind, even it may chock many, but it's valuable for many people who have doubt in theirs faith,i don't think that it was the real definition of islam but it's definitely the explanation of what is the purpose of islam should be / how islam need to be understood. Respect @Leo Gura -
I think when you are not lucky to be average, you will certainly find people with whom you talk but you will never find your herd, you will prefer solitude.
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In my opinion, when you talk about deep/intellectual topics with average people, you seems arrogant/ or trying to show off. i think it's better to not doubt if you are arrogant or no, we are all arrogant (at different levels) and you will be always judged if you are trying to improve yourself it's clear that you will think and behave differently from the crowd. I see that you care about if you are arrogant or no and that's a good sign. Even my reply seems arrogant (average people, differently, crowd)
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Don't revenge, understand that you cannot control other person's behavior, don't expect too much and be ready to all experience, no matter what happen don't believe your thoughts
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I agree with you @Jonson, Many motivational speaker if not most of them, they don't brings a lot of value, many of them, they do it for themselves to make money and to feed theirs ego. they don't innovate or solve problems. it may seem that i'm criticizing too much but this is our world (Rat race) In my opinion, sometimes theirs videos can help, it can give some kind of determination and temporary motivation to achieve thing you want to have. U asked why we don't share ressources between all humans, this is a complicated topic, and i'm not optimistic about it, i think we are so much far from it, it require a lot of consciousness, even people who are poor they may do the same thing if they were rich
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I like this topic, personally i don't believe in Free Will, so even if you believe that the person was aware of what he is doing, it doesn't mean he deserve to be punished. cause in reality almost nobody is really aware of what he is doing. As Eckhart tolle said: "You forgive yourself by realizing that nobody can act beyond their level of consciousness." In your place i will keep distance between me and the person, and don't think too much about it cause if you had the same background as him you will do the same thing, don't be angry cause it will only affect you and you will be tortured by your own thoughts. Forgive everyone, don't force yourself if you are not convinced about forgiveness, but try to really understand why forgiving is peace and why everyone is not really evil. In situation where you cannot keep distance, even we are aware that the person is not evil, you need to defend yourself and stop them, because the person may do it again.