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@Lila9 thank you for sharing this, this is exactly what I meant by God complex and spiritual ego. As the disregard of ego and everything being one, makes you blind to more nuanced things like good versus evil and then a guru can do all kinds of evil in the name of nonduality.

yep, as with Bentinho and probably many more gurus. Giving them that enlightenment sex, for their spiritual growth. Lol

@LordFall Sure, that is why I said to do it for money or purpose. Having attention can still be valuable in business or in terms of purpose. There are also ways to make money without fame, so it isn’t necessarily true that you have to chase fame to make money. Saying it’s phenomenal is dragging it; it’s useful. If you say it’s amazing, that mainly comes from some narcissistic tendency, loving being the center of attention and in the spotlight more than being happy. In my opinion and experience its better to chase purpose or money, if you are gonna chase anything at all. Stage green isn't too bad, too many people are stuck in stage orange or lower. If you want to bring people up, you should bring them up to stage yellow.

@Hojo Maybe if you had 100 friends applauding you, it would feel like something special, but who has 100 friends? And if they aren’t friends, why do you want a stranger to clap for you? It might sound like love, but it’s just a high, like going on a roller coaster. It might give you adrenaline, but it doesn’t give you happiness, and it wears off fast as well. A stranger will clap for you one moment and throw a tomato at you the next. They don’t know you; it’s only a projection onto you, projecting either good or bad, or whatever lies in between, onto you. If you are a vegetarian, everyone claps. If you turn into a hardcore cannibal, they will throw tomatoes at you. It’s superficial.

I think we should all sleep, tomorrow is a new day to fight again with each other lol

@Willy Phallicus rather until death brings us together lol

@James123 your form of spirituality sounds like suicide. Enlightenment can only be true if you are truly dead, not half alive. If it's so important to be letting go of the body then letting it go completly would be the only real answer, what is death, what is enlightenment, because before that the ego will just hide in the form of some God complex, thinking it has reached the ultimate and its proud of it too.

@Mellowmarsh I am not really in those forums so I have no idea, unless you mean this forum. I think its good to clairify some things with others tho, even if they get it wrong, its good to express some thoughts yourself you know.

@Someone here are you saying escapism is not an escape?

@Someone here by an escape I mean its not a permanent state as you can access it in silence or in some moments during the day, but when responsibilities are demanded from you, you have to return back to the relative world. Aka escaping responsibilities, just like entertainment is escaping your responsibilities or even sleep can be an escape. Something to take you away from your relative world and your problems or responsibilities, that is why when you return from your meditation your still broke, and that manifestation meditation didn't bring you a million euros

@Breakingthewall so what would be, according to you, the practice for people? and how to prevent God complex issues in spiritual communities and spiritual leaders?

@James123 just cause you are not it, doesn't mean you don't have any responsibility of it. You might have a child, you are not the child, but you still have responsibility over that child, your not just gonna let it die. You have an ego, you don't are it, so your still responsible for it at the end of the day. Thats my perspective.

@Mellowmarsh so you would say we should all just keep quiet?

@Breakingthewall so would you say inherently spirituality is just a form of escapism?

@James123 even if everything is one, that doesn't mean you don't have a body, mind, organism that wants to survive, called ego. Ego is in resistance towards dying continuously, try to kill an insect and see how it defends itself or runs, flies away, we are not any better then that, thinking your above that is only arrogance or a serious suicidal tendency, because if you were above that, you would be dead. So to claim your one with God is only partly true, partly your stuck with an ego, body, mind till you die, before death you can only have a momentary escape, till you need to work and pay your bills or take care of other responsibilities, like going to the toilet and taking a giant shit.

@No1Here2c and @Breakingthewall I don't look on this forum for a few hours and come back with 77 message of you guys having a nonduality fight hahahahaha I still don't see a solution for making nonduality free from narcissism (god complex and spiritual ego) if anyone has an answer let me know

@Mellowmarsh yes I think that is already much better than following a teaching

@Mellowmarsh fair enough if your interest is for being in the being state and doing self inquiry I am not here to bring you of that path. I am more looking for a pathway that doesn't allow corruption to take over as is being done right now with nonduality as claiming yourself to be God, maybe not for you, but for others could lead to big problems, aka God complex or as some might call it spiritual ego and in denial of having a body, mind and ego. To me, consciousness is real, everything is one, I would agree with all of that, its more about a flaw in the teachings that can lead to misuse thats my concern.

@Mellowmarsh but can't you see how this would lead to endless misuse? It's not so much if consciousness, God is real or not, that isn't even what I am saying. The thing I am saying is that you are still having to take responsibility over this body, mind and ego. If you decide to smash your body to the ground and become one with God, that is your choice. As your living in this world, having the idea that you are God, what partly is true, partly is a God complex, will lead to allot of problems as your in denial of an ego, body, mind that is still functioning with or without enlightenment or a spiritual awakening, as much as it might be a simulation, when I punch you in the stomach, your non duality talk goes out of the window and you punch me right back or run away, that is just natural ego, body, mind reaction. The question is not if consciousness is real or not; the only question is, is teaching this leading humanity to a better place? To me, no, the teachings have to change and take care of this one flaw, how exactly that is what I am still contemplating.

@Ziran is fictional returning, real returning is dying. You are a human being, not just being, you have a human part which is overlooked in nonduality teachings that leads to all kinds of problems.

I have been in contact with some of the victims of Bentinho Massaro and I might do an interview with one of them on youtube about this, if you guys have any good questions let me know what you would want to know. No silly questions please.

@Joseph Maynor I am not saying its bad, its just not fulfilling, inner fulfillment, thats why I said do it for purpose or for money, not for fame itself.

@Jordan of the Shire sure hearing other peoples perspectives helps aswell, that is also why I am on this forum to share and hear other peoples reflections and reactions on what I say and my perspectives.

@Jodistrict why not find your own practice? I have found that works better for me at the end of the day. To keep your ego in check, you don't need a guru; you need self-reflection, questioning your own beliefs, aka philosophy. That also will make you come up with authentic thoughts instead of being a copy-paste of whatever some guru says, which is almost as dogmatic as any religion.

@Natasha Tori Maru Its indeed very poopy, luckily I am having much more of my own thoughts nowadays, its easy to fall into the frame of a guru when your goal is to become more conscious. Scepticism towards a guru is often seen as ego or some reflection of your own shadow, he is just a mirror, when many times they are not a mirror, they are simply in their ego themself. I am getting tired of already thinking about what comes from ego or not ego, its such a stupid game that these teachers are playing to hide their own hidden agenda by making you self-conscious, what is not being relaxed and present at all, being present means to just chill, not to be hyper aware if what you're doing comes from ego or not. Anyways I am getting of track. What I have found is to follow more of my own journey, which includes gratitude, meditation or prayer. I am not Christian, but I feel prayer to God is more helpful than bowing down to some rapist guru. Additionally, maybe some philosophy or letting go work, but no longer listening to teachers when it comes down to my spiritual practices.