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You are bound by the body and constrained to what it can do, it's biology. That is, as long as it lives. After that, infinite intelligence. Total nirvana.

You are describing the experience of gradual dissolution of the ego, the separate self, the doer. As you are more aligned with the truth, less deluded, the ego becomes more and more expansive and 'transparent'. Everywhere you look - it's YOU to the point where 'I' makes no sense. It is just yin and yang playing in resonance. Love is how things REALLY are. By becoming more and more wise, by aligning yourself with Tao, you flow. That is Nirvana, the end of suffering, resistance. This is illumination and death.

@Jack River once the personhood is seen through, 'perception' is thrown out of the window. What is, is. There is no perceiver and perceived.

I wholeheartedly disagree. This comes back to our conversation about freedom vs power. One does not follow love out of necessity. You are free to be disconnected, ignorant and miserable. Following love is to follow Logos. It is the path of alignment that leads to enlightenment. You do that because you recognize its healing and developing potential. You do that to flourish. That is not a limitation. It is expansion, freedom. You follow love because you love to.

@Jack River I am saying that things that are not perceived by your localized awareness exist. The moon exists even if you are not perceiving it.

I hope that we're clear that gravity exists. I'm not denying this. Thank you for the clarifications. I am trying to have a sincere conversation and I'm guided by observing my own resistance. Yes, you did not say that gravity is nonsense and neither did I. I was just agreeing with you. YES!

BEEP BEEP BEEP DETERMINISM ALERT! The further away from the Source a being is, the less it is bound by Love. Humans have free will despite having biological predispositions. In fact, your disconnection from love is your free will. The more hesitant, doubtful, disintegrated you are, the further away you are from the truth. That is Ego. You have a choice to align yourself with Love/Tao/Logos and that path leads to enlightenment, but you are totally free to be a devil. God does not rule with power, it rules with freedom. You can choose to follow it out of your desire to be happy. Things exist even if they are not present in "your" awareness.

No, paradigms happen within being. It is a way of talking about it. The present moment is fundamentally an irreducible mystery. Mystery. MYSTERY. Completely ineffable. It is IMPOSSIBLE to understand it through the finite mind, and the infinite mind expresses itself as being/present moment. The mistake that is made by many non-dualists is that they completely discard the possibility that this mystery is coherent. The most fundamental rule describes the coherence of the present moment as-is, is love. That love, is what the infinite mind expresses. There are many other rules that describe it, and some of them are described by science. Some of those rules can be leveraged to predict the unfolding of reality with a certain bound on accuracy. They are like a local, linear approximation of a multidimensional manifold. The problem is that people get this ass-backwards and think that science is the TRUTH, just like they think that what personal mind is saying is the TRUTH. It's NOT! The present moment IS THE MYSTERY PEOPLE! IT IS A MIRACLE! A MIRACLE THAT CAN BE TALKED ABOUT SENSIBLY!

BEEP BEEP BEEP SOLIPSISM ALERT!

God imagines gravity that attracts, ego makes distinction named 'gravity'. There is no duality between thought-substance and matter-substance. There is only one substance - consciousness.

@Truth Addict Spiritual bypassing. YOU ARE A HUMAN BEING! YOU CARE! THAT IS NOT A FAULT!

That is true, but that does not take away from the experience! It is not true that everything you say about it is a lie! You simply fall short despite trying your best, so it is the infinite source of creation in the name of divinity!

How does one go meta on starving to death? NOT on fear of starvation.

TELL ME, ILLUMINATIES, WHAT ABOUT SCIENCE?????? DOES NON-DUALITY INVALIDATE IT????? DOES NON-DUALITY PREVENT YOU FROM READING BOOKS????? IS AN ENRAGED AXEMAN REAL, OR IS IT JUST A THOUGHT?????

lol pre-post fallacy. collapsing distinctions does not imply discarding distinctions.

I know this feeling and I did this for a very long time until I understood that it's a form of fear. It was fear of: others invalidating my experience and seeing that I've been tricking myself losing something that is most special about me having the ego take over and ruin things in case it actually helps people. The 'punch' is not for you. It is for the benefit of everybody. Trust yourself.

How does 'reality of no levels' reconcile with 'living from the deeper perspective'? If there are truly no levels, then 'no levels' is no worse or better than 'levels'. That can only be seen if one has discarded the genuine accomplishment of non-dual realization. Yes, it is an accomplishment and is a subtle ground for attachment. Attachment to genuine humility. I think that I'm being suspected of speaking of things I know nothing of, only because I am speaking.

Are you aware of what a symbol is? Symbol is something it is not. Gravity is a symbol. It is used to evoke a distinction and this distinction is invented. What is, is. It is, without us humans being aware of it. Babies know nothing about gravity, they have no symbol that corresponds to this distinction. That does not make them float away, and yet - symbol 'gravity' is imaginary. There is no person once awareness becomes aware of itself. The person is a delusion, but this delusion is as real as it gets when the person is still there. Even if isness is more fundamental (basic) than personhood - it is not 'more true' by any measure. Hahaha. I know that the idea of hierarchy triggers you. Self discovery cannot be misguided because it ends in directionless present moment. Why is the moon made of cheese rather than carrots? Self-discovery here is the realization that my question is based on misguided assumptions. Nothing is ever realized by making-real of something that is not here. Realization can only occur by seeing past delusions that cover something that already is. 'One' could not see past what-is. It is not attributable to anybody. It happens through grace. Removal of any delusion is not attributable to anybody because the person is a delusion. And again, denial of hierarchy. Hierarchies do not imply intrinsic moral value, but contraction, boundedness. Thoughts convey meaning that is non-verbal. They point towards something inexpressable through language. Something more basic. Look at your hand. 'Look at your hand' is a thought, but you actually looking at your hand is the meaning. I'm having trouble understanding your term 'write-off'. Do you mean this as something that hides complexity, or what? Gravity is not nonsense. I suspect that the word 'imaginary' is emotionally loaded for you, you perceive it as something dismissive. I do not mean it that way.

Switch to do-nothing meditation and do that during your workday. Observe what your mind is doing during everyday situations. The point of meditation is not to sit on a pillow. It is to realize that your life is an act of meditation! Apply psychology during your workday. Observe your coworkers and create models. See their blind spots and help them work these through. This one fits into the first paragraph. See how your insights about reality allow you to think about everyday matters more clearly. The above-mentioned list of improvements should give you a steady stream of insights to write down after you're done with your work.

Hey, you are going to be alright. Ground yourself in your body. Surround yourself with things you feel important. This is going to pass. We care about you.

Awakening can be thought of as removing ignorance. Ignorance stems from finitude (being bound by something greater), and this finitude is two-fold: First phase is about removal of mistaken beliefs about reality that cloud your perception of truth. These beliefs are created because you are bound by the ego and can't look past your identification. You only care about 'yourself' and your mind is severely limited in what it is able to consider. This 'psychological clensing' ultimately leads to the second phase - ego death. The second phase is about removal, or seeing past, the ego and finding new ways of relating with the world as you. This is when non-duality starts and is what I found to be generally referred to as 'enlightenment'. The third phase deals with the deeper limitation that stems from your 1st ignorance (egoic perception). By perceiving yourself egoically, you have contaminated your body in various ways that predispose you to certain behaviors. The process of dealing with this limitation, ignorance, is cleansing. I would imagine, this cleansing ultimately leads to physical death, probably through mahasamadhi. The reason to not kill body is dependent on the stage you're currently in. If you're still bound by the ego, then you are so ignorant that you have no idea what you're doing. Literally. As you remove your mistaken beliefs and are able to see past your ego - the life gradually improves until it literally becomes pure bliss. At that point, there is no reason whatsoever to kill yourself because this place is heaven already and you're going to see what physical death is like anyways. Not going through all of that and killing yourself outright is done out of ignorance. Killing yourself through cleansing is not something that is done out of fear, hate, suffering and so forth. It is a natural process that is lead by your desire to feel better. Obviously, I'm not physically dead, so it's a speculation on my part. It is however an extrapolation heavily grounded in experience.

First, you were framing imagination as 'unreal' and dismissing it. Now, you're dismissing 'objective reality' because you can't distinguish it from imagination? Stop dismissing things and creating hierarchies of importance. You are not imagining your body, but imagination is not less real than "objective reality". Keep taking care of your body.

Keep it slow and remember that if what I'm saying is true, then it was true even if you were ignorant of it. It changes nothing (if it really is the case). You can always keep on living like you've always been living. Homeostasis will take care of you.

If thoughts can bring up absolutely anything, then what stops you from imagining that you are a separate entity? Thoughts derive their freedom from the nature of the mind and that nature is derived from absolute infinity. Notice that you are bound in distinction between 'thoughts' and 'reality'. Where does 'reality' go when you think, imagine, etc? Where does the room go, when you remember (visualize) the experience of having a breakfast yesterday?

It means exactly what you want it to mean. This is hilarious. Notice that when you are imagining these realities, they are as real as the 'objective reality' you are seeing. They are so real that you freak out! You are creating these realities on a whim, just like that. Don't dismiss them as 'imaginary' simply because you can't touch them. When you are immersed in these 'imaginary realities', where does the 'objective reality' go? YOU ARE ABSOLUTE INFINITY.