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@Shakazulu Make sure to post back. Language was an important path to many of my realizations. @Shakazulu My fiancee also likes to hear about this stuff In small doses, but still I can talk about this for hours.

Can you re-formulate this question? I'm having a hard time understanding it. Ideas are not masked by language. If you think that you need to 'plan' your use of language and its results are ideas to transmit - notice this: When you talk to somebody, you are not aware of the mechanism you use to talk. Your mouth and vocal chords move by themselves. You do not blow your lungs. You do not move your hands to tap your keyboard. They move by themselves. Try to align your mouth and blow your lungs to mimic a sound you make when you say 'vase'. Try to manually tense your muscles to produce a movement that taps letters 'v' 'a' 's' 'e'. It's impossible! You are (the) talking. You are (the) language. Language is hollistic. There is no you that is not language when you express ideas. The same goes the other way around. When you read these sentences, you are not piecing the letters together manually. You are not moving your eyes. You are the text. Everything you make of it is you. It appears out of thin air, just like that. That is the God's creation at work. You literally, physically, create me (@tsuki) out of nothingness. This is why there is no you. Everything you see is you. You are 'out there' not 'trapped inside with your ideas' behind the curtain of language. There is no language!

No. Ideas are not contained in words. You make them up as you read these strings of letters. How did ideas become associated with words? Let's look at an idea of a vase. I know that something is a vase because somebody pointed to this vase and said 'vase'. But how do I know that other objects are vases as well? I encountered different kinds of vases and saw similarities between them. Now somebody may ask: "what is a vase"? I may respond with: A vase is a cylindrical object used to contain water and a plant. But that is not a vase. Vase is this or that. That are words. Problem starts when you think about: What is a cylinder? What is object? What is to use? What is to contain? What is water? What is plant? What the fuck is 'is', 'and', 'or', 'this' and 'that'? To explain an idea you need to understand more ideas. You need to not notice that you don't understand them. Nobody can explain what is 'is'! Not to mention more complex ideas such as 'god'. There is nothing I can point to that is god! Pointing at anything is god. God is a tautology. Yet we talk about gods all the time. We use gods to explain lots of things. Language is literal magic. Nobody can explain this shit, and yet this shit is used to explain!

@Sukhpaal @Leo Gura Is it fair to say that nothingness is like a camera that does not understand the image it captures? Like a video with nobody to watch it? This is what I imagine a trip-induced death to be. An experience so overwhelming that it cannot be named. Returning from that would be a life-changing event.

In my understanding of meditation, it has to necessarily include both, movement of time and timelessness. Breath meditation is learning how breath can be voluntary and involuntary. One does breath meditation when sitting and listening to his breath. One also does breath meditation when working and ignoring it. Meditation from this perspective is seeing how consciousness is unconsciousness. Ones unconscious bowel movements are the same as his unconscious shining of the sun. When one consciously reads this post, he is unconscious of himself reading this post. One can neither meditate, nor not meditate.

I'm glad that we agree

When everything is truly equally meaningful, nothing stands out and everything is meaningless. Meaningfulness = meaninglessness from my perspective.

Only if you believe that there is a possibility of communication with 'others'. Any understanding you read from this post is your own. Anything you ever know about anybody is your projection. There are no ideas in language. You make them up as you piece these words together. I am you.

Your urge for meaning is resulting from finding meaning meaningful. When everything is truly meaningless, having meaning is meaningless as well. Meaningful meaning is meaningless. Meaningless meaninglessness is meaningful. This is not a game of language. This is how your mind works. In order to find peace you need to see how meaning is meaningless.

Dominance and masochism come hand in hand. You can be attracted to being a dominant because you are afraid of your strength to hurt others. Hurting others would be a torture to yourself. You can be attracted to being a masochist because you are afraid to trust others. Submitting to others would be an act of dominance upon yourself. BDSM is a deep topic when you treat it seriously. Don't be too quick to judge your preferences.

Pain and pleasure are the same form perspective of having release. Sex is enjoyable because you can orgasm. Being tired is enjoyable because you can rest. Painful agony is enjoyable because you can die. BDSM is a way of seeing how pleasure and pain can be indistinguishable. Did you explore it?

Tell me how is pain different from pleasure?

Death has been a powerful contemplation tool for thousands of years. Most people fear death and avert their gaze from it. They do not see its valuable lessons. I sometimes wonder what would I do if I was diagnosed with cancer and had two years left. Would I go on living like I do, or would I spend all my money on a bucket list? I like to think that nothing would change and I would go down silently - carrying on like nothing happened. The only difference is that you know your expiry date. The most hilarious thing is that you do not have to hear a doctor's diagnosis to know that you are dying. Taking this simple fact seriously is an incredibly powerful tool for a day-to-day contemplation. Each passing day seems like a gift that way, so is every passer-by. They are all perfect from that perspective. I'm engaged and the ceremony is scheduled for 29th October. Imagining my fiancee's funeral when I stand above her coffin, crying, is the most powerful petty-quarrel stopper. Even her most dreadful sins seem like a gift and a blessing.

@Faceless @Sevi @Arkandeus Now I understand. Answering questions is not an answer. Thank you for bringing me back to this place.

How to understand understanding? Why thoughts think? Why why?

It is strange how you speak of not making distinctions while talking about 'time' and 'center' and their relation to each other. Language is a strange thing indeed. You will have to tell me more about this relation, as I'm not familiar with your personal philosophy of timelessness. I may be aware of things you speak about, but my words for these concepts may be different and we will miss each other. I remember talking about these things with you in the past ( ), but what you say now seems more nuanced, so I'm not sure that I understand you.

If methodology for understanding understanding was different from understanding 'things', then it would imply that it 'lies' in another realm of being than ordinary things that are subject to it. We would then have two different kinds of understanding: the one for understanding things and the other for understanding understanding. I think that it's a big problem for self-actualization. Aren't we trying to understand ourselves here? How do we suppose to achieve that if we have different kinds of understanding for different kinds of beings? How are we supposed to understand ourselves if we can't even understand what we're trying to do? I'm posting to find my own stupidity. Ignorance. Dumbness. Writing your thoughts down and really trying to see how stupid they are is not a waste of time. I do not have a position to defend. I genuinely don't know. Writing my thoughts down helps me clarify and understand my position so that I can transcend it. It is how I grow. Yes, but I don't think that it is more important than knowledge. Let me explain: I'm a mechanical engineer. Understanding how things work keeps me fed and clothed. The problem is that if I understand too much, I'm blind to things that never happened before. I never know what I don't know. Knowing is important, but so is openness to novelty, Calling this feeling of not-knowing surprise may have not been the best move. Sometimes it's fear. Sometimes it's surprise. Sometimes it's curiosity. Sometimes it's anger. When I don't know things happen. Things that I couldn't have foreseen. Sometimes it's good and sometimes it's bad. I prefer not to make such distinctions. Here, have a flower:

@Sevi The only thing that I know about understanding is that it results in knowledge/experience/memory. What these are is in direct experience is simply lack of surprise that a certain occurrence happened. It is the root of obviousness and normality of everyday situations. Knowledge/experience/memory is unawareness of novelty. It is unattentiveness to what is. To understand understanding is to make it obvious, unattractive for the mind. Understanding does not come from observation. it is a spontaneous shift that lets you act (speak, think, do, interact, etc). With understanding, inaction stops. Direction is known.

Haha, that's a good one. To think that you can stop thinking. Nice. Thanks! What do I win?

In my direct experience there is no difference between yes and no, so I'm unable to answer.

I honestly don't know how to answer such a question. Without thought I don't know what time is. The moment I stop thinking, there is even no now.

@who chit Huh, I just understood that you asked a 'When when?'.

@who chit I know the answers! There is no next now. Now is all there is. The problem with such formulation of this phenomenon is that there is no point in discussing it once there is nothing to contrast it against. You need yang to see yin. There is no past. The past is made of memories. Memories are indistinguishable from plans/fantasies. Future is made of fantasies. The difference between memories and plans is that memories are true, and fantasies are possible. The difference collapses when you notice that when you plan, you live plans as you make them up. You are them. They are true, now. You can also notice that memories are questionable. They are also only possible in the sense that you don't really know what happened. They happen now. The real question is what is a perception? Your question arises from perceiving a perception. Perception became self-referential. These questions are linked. Asking about the future of now is a strange thing to do. Now is all there is.

@Arkandeus I really like your answer. You say that the point of questions is enjoyment. Don't all questions come down to one proto-question: what is the point of something? Where does it lead? The problem starts when you ask: what is the point of having a point? This is the moment when questions become self-aware, like we are. Am I the understanding of things? Can I not understand myself? Do I understand things that are whatever they are, or is it that all there is is what I understand? Or is it both, at the same time?