WaveInTheOcean

Really? Sure both weren't DMT? Which dosage ? But I've heard of someone who get 5-meo simliar experiences from DMT. However, 5-Meo is much more reliable, and it doesnt go the other way around.. i.e. people don't get DMT-like experiences from 5-MeO. So how was your 5-meo experience? Very visual or not so visual? Talking with entities?

Did you enjoy the retreat? That is to say, was it worth the money, did you get anything out of it?

"From what Ive researched, its exactly how psychedelics work, they amplify your current state of mind and bring out your weakpoints. Its a good example of how a difficult experience can teach us alot if only we would have the eyes and ears to see and listen..." Exactly!

Having a realization of the true nature of existence includes having the realization that existence is fundamentally paradoxical in every imaginable way.

The answer is simple: Because we are. Circular logic all the way. I mean you cannot really explain it, only parts of it. If you wanna explain it fully, we have to go alllllllll the wayyy back to Adam and Eve:) "if that's they way it's supposed to be?" Why do you assume a feeling of oneness/no-self/unconditional love is the way it's supposed to be? Supposed to be by who exactly? If you think about it from an evolutionary perspective (from 1st biological cell on earth all the way up to human life now) you can easily see why such an evolutionary mechanicsm in itself never can lead to a feeling of no-self/oneness... A feeling of no-self + evolution? Doesn't compute! Evolution depends on: survival, adaption, evolving, expansion, thus destruction, replication. Now arguably the human race has an ability to take actions independently of natural evolution/instincts (although from a holistic POV it's all 'natural", and all human thinking is instincts... however, we should be able to agree on the fact that the human mind is vastly more complex and advanced than any other animal mind). Anyway ... Maybe the human race will at some point come in touch with oneness as a whole. Maybe not. Ultimately who exactly cares? Also see, if oneness/no-self had always been the default feeling for human beings, then how would we know? The feeling of oneness/no-self is only possible because the counter-part, the egoic/materlistic/self-centered feeling also exist. Yes, a feeling of oneness/no-self is more in alignment with Reality than the egoic feeling. That is to say, if one ever sees Reality clearly without the filters of the mind, then naturally one will adopt a no-self/oneness-feeling. But is a no-mind-view better than a mind-fitred view? No. Is it worse? No. Is it more accurate? Well depends .. in terms of pure existence/Reality then yes, it is more accurate.... in terms of Truth, yes it is more accurate. In terms of biological and technological evolution (i.e. one sees higher tech = better) then the mind-filtred view is better suited for that, and thus more "accurate" if one wants more evolution of the human race in terms of technology. Anyway, my point is... for Truth to ever be known, a misrepresentation/misinterpretation of Truth first has to flourish, just like it has flourished for everyone here on this forum until they began questioning their view of Reality because of having "mystical" experiences. ... If You had ALWAYS known "the Truth", well, how would you then know that it is the Truth? The Truth has to be contrasted with what is false in order to ever 'be known'.

Yeah, it's just plain stupid and it was 400 ug actually, just looked it up. And even on a fucking rowboat (ALONE!) yeah, forgot that, that's just insane. He could easily have drowned himself. But he survived and I guess the experienced humbled him a lot. He was only 20 years old, I never think he has taken any psychedelic since then. Today he is (for the most part) a very reasonable dude, though. His thoughts about psychedelics and their potential seems pretty accurate to me (video below). Although I think he underestimates how 'deep down the rabbit hole' he himself has yet to go (if he will ever go). Sam Harris seems to have only taken his head 1 meter down the hole and now believes "ah okay, amazing, that's it" ..., but he hasn't realized that the rabbit hole is infinitely deep.

Yeah well shrooms can humble your mind:) Why apologize to yourself? Done is done. You couldn't handle it properly, but at least the shrooms showed you that: That you have fears of losing sanity...fear of losing your superior logical rational mind. Your mind value itself very highly.. "(I have an intelligent mind)" .. - see, that might be the problem exactly here. I'm not saying you're not intelligent, but if you go around and believe to be smarter and more intelligent than the average joe on the street, then shrooms will kick your ass for your ignorance:) You weren't at peace with yourself / reality / the present moment enough to just surrender to the experience. So you fighted against it, which is a natural thing to do, but also the worst thing to do. You felt your mind slowly drifting away, but you hold on to it like a 6 year old kid holds on to a helium balloon that wants to drift away. Next time try to give in to the experience, don't fight it. It may be terrifying at first to let go, because it can feel like dying, but when you first have let go, the most beauitful thing may appear. Yet, if you only try to let go because of your expectations of what comes after, then that won't do it either. It's all about accepting reality 100% and having blind faith in what's beyond you own little self...surrendering to the universe completely.

99% he wont take it. AFAIK, his last psychedelic trip was 300 ug LSD on a boat on a river, and he described it as absolute nightmare. :->

I think Bull = mind / ego

Elaborate please how you discovered it was a scam.

Do 2 different kind of meditations each day. Do-nothing for purging and letting your mind go wild (= tough but worthwile time spent). And then some form of focused meditation (TM or focusing on breath or focusing on your body (sleep yoga etc), or even just running... Running is to me equvialant to meditation where you focus on your breath (since you also tend to do that when you run and put pressure on yourself), except running is also healthy for the body too. So in the 1st mentioned meditation you show the mind who's in the driving seat, so to speak;) In the 2nd mentioned meditation you allow the mind to be stimulated- but here the stimulation is the simplest and purest form of stimulation, cos you're still all alone with yourself.

wow thanks, Alicks/Alex surely makes some vibrant ambient music. I Don't Have A Choice is my favorite atm.

This ambient tune... I don't know if it's just me, but... It does something to me. I can get shivers through my whole body listening to it. My vision can start to blur and I can almost get LSD-visuals if I meditate to it with open-eyes. To fully enjoy this tune I think you need an atleast decent pair of headphones + high volume. I was listening to it and opened the PDF-Ra-Law-of-One-document that Leo asked us to do. I looked briefely at a few pages at 69 and 70 and as I heard this tune simultaneously my eyes randomly stopped at 'Infinite Creator" and I just felt a very intense sense of connection with something I cannot put into words. I hope some of you will enjoy this tune. It's not party music. It's reflection-, meditation- music ... music that makes you question what the fuck reality is (in a good way) ... at least for me. It really vibrates deeply with something within my subconsciousness. And for that reason my awareness get's raised to very high levels, because I feel something is going on here. Another song which I think can be great for those on the path is: Also ambient. The mid-song speech from True Detective is amazing. Relates to a blissful egodeath experience. cheers

In regards to Truth... I mean...One shouldn't seek enlightenment just based on hearsay about how it is to be enlightened. One should seek enlightenment because of DESIRE for Truth - whatever that Truth might be. When one is seeking, ones doesn't know the Truth. So you're searching without knowning what ya'll get. Yet you do it anyway, ONLY because you have an inner desire to FIND out what is true about your basic reality and what is not true.

"blank state" + "carry a little bit of that around with you" = does not compute :>

"Now, I said the thing I just described is the worst case scenario because it means that you'll loose everything of your individuality that you embody right now." ... Yes, but then there will also be no "person/mind" left to then be "sad" about that particular "loss" .

Brilliant comment Azreal. Great to see others being inspired by Alan Watts (and also obviously on a deep level understanding what the old man is talking about in the lectures on YouTube). Only thing I didn't really agree with was: "This is - in my current state of seeing it - the worst case scenario that can happen to you." Why so? And to which "you" ? ... I mean, sure, from a very ego-driven person stuck in the illusion then this is of course very bad. However, for a person who isn't stuck in the illusion I find it pretty beautiful actually ... Infinite existence without ever really becoming fully conscious of the fact that you are an infinite existence ... (only on a logical/conceptual level, and maybe partly intuitively conscious of it through no-self experiences) And I mean that new perspective you might transform into after death, cannot remember ANYTHING about the "old"/"previous" perspective -- in fact words like old/previous don't make any sense even...Time is an illusion, we already know this from science/relativity -- so there's nothing to be either sad or happy about; it is just is; it's neutral. I mean from Absolute Infinity's perspective, which is a non-dual perspective, it's both fantastic and terrible at the same time, which together just merges into: neutral/no-perspective.

I know. The untamed mind craves stimuli. Psychedelics have the ability to fuck up the mind and show it some things...maybe kill it even (momentarily)... After such an experience the mind *might* chill the fuck down and accept reality without craving stimuli all the time Psychedelics like shrooms, dmt, LSD shouldn't even be considered drugs in my view. They are the complete opposite of addictive drugs like cocaine, heroine, meth, etc. They have NOTHING in common AT ALL.

Unless that stimulation-addicted being takes a healthy psychedelic dose ... after such a trip, one might be able to appreciate life by just focusing on the breath and meditating :>

Haha sick lol. The last one with the hair dryer... I had my eyes closed but my mind had me almost 100% convinced that a hair stylist was around me drying my hair with a dryer.. lol..

So 3,6 g of dried shrooms. Of course it varies a lot how strong shrooms is, but 3,6 g of dried shrooms is a pretty high dose based on what I've read 4g of dried shrooms seems equal to around 250-300 ug LSD

Also the part where you felt like you became the tree was also interesting. So did you really feel like you became the tree and experienced its whole life? Was this just a creation of your mind or did you actually become the tree momentarily? This is stupid question maybe, since in any case it's a creation out of consciousness/mind ... not nessecarily the mind you have now, though. Psychedelics surely can throw a lot of subconsciousness stuff in one's mind into the conscious field of awareness. Yet, I also think that it can do more than that... It can throw stuff into your awareness that's not even part of your normal seperated mind. Like for example how you expericiened the Tree's mind... Does a tree have a mind? Does a tree experience seasons and such? Does a tree have feelings? (probably not, but can one be conscious without any feelings? Maybe). After all we're -- according to science -- just a bunch of "death" neurons. Our brain and bodies are composed of "death matter". Just like the Earth as the ball it is (;D) is composed of death matter. Since this kind of arrangement of death matter that our brains are can create a mind, how about a tree? A planet? A sun? A universe? Perspective, perspective.

"The important part i want to emphasize is this conversion of non-duality to duality since it is the absolute essence of creation." ". It is really you who creates your entire world, every "value" you apply to one of those orbs creates your complete experience of reality. Duality is the labelling system of the mind of how to identify anything and is build from relativity from all the other values. Changing one value as to say directly changes the relation with all others and this simply is your perspective or vision what life looks like or gets experienced." This sounds about right, hehe. Great read. Very profound insight. You articulate the experience and insight very well. Thanks. Well, you can say it was an experience under the influence of a drug (natural shrooms). You could also turn it around and say it was an experience WITHOUT the influence of the mind Cos your mind was gone during the experience. There was only you and a gateway to raw consciousness/nothingness/infinity ...-- and this gave you profound insights about reality... Cos I fully agree... The world we find ourselves in is dualistic in every way. The mind operates through dualistic functioning, as you say. The so-called "physical world" thus also appears dualistic. Light, Dark, Good, Evil, Pain, Joy, Life, Death, Self, Other, Friend, Enemy and so on. But even though the world appears dualistic in nature, it is possible to see that this dualistic nature naturally arises from the counter-point: a non-dual reality without seperation, without labeling, withouter any self, without any world...only Oneness..., Awareness is left. And it is from this non-dual infinite limitless oneness/awareness that the "normal" world is created through. So yes, as you say, creation goes from the non-dual state to the dualistic state We all come from nothingness. And we will all vanish into nothingness. And out of nothingness will we come again. Existence will come again. 0, 1, 0, 1, 0,1. Death, Life, Death, Life. "If you use your mind to study reality, you won't understand either your mind or reality. If you study reality without using your mind, you'll understand both." - This is a great quote by the Zen master, Bodhidharma. To attain great wisdom, one surely has to lose the mind every now and then

Nice trip report mate. Sounds like an eye-opening experience. Great read. Can you be more specific of how this trip has changed you today? What was the dosage? Do you have problems sleeping after the trip? Have you tried LSD and if yes, can you give a overview of the difference between the LSD- and the Shroom-experience? ( I have never done shrooms, only LSD... But my next psychedelic trip I think I want to be shrooms, and not LSD, since I've heard by hear-say that shrooms can be more profound). I have done LSD a few times, and experienced what I think is partial ego death where I sort of just became one with the music and the visuals and vanished from the world and all my anxious thoughts. I felt pure love and oneness. When "my mind" slowly came back I freaked out as well. I was almost disappointed, like "WHY CANT I JUST BE IN THIS STATE OF PURE LOVE/NOTHINGNESS FOREVER? CMON" ... I was terrified actually, lol. And I sort of had to remember how to function in a human body again. Scary stuff. But eye-opening stuff.