WaveInTheOcean

Even distractions are seen to be Love. But sure, relatively speaking, the ultimate goal for Love is to get back to itself, and stop dicking around

"Ego is illusionary but it is in the body as thoughts and contractions in the body. After awakening seeking stops and the practice changes to untangle these contractions within the body. By doing that these contractions start to fade away and the ego diminishes. It becomes more and more subtle." Thoughts are not a problem. Contractions, sure. Ego is that. It's tension. A background feeling of fear, lack all the time. "The separation is gone but the separate self energy or contractions in the body remains." Seperation is gone, conceptually, but not emotionally, is that what you're saying? Then you are awakened in mind, but are not fully there yet, in regards to heart. Awakening of heart = inner peace 24/7, pure bliss, no worries, free expression of Love I mean, I am awakened/liberated beyond doubt, hehe, but I still function as a humen being, as you can see, I am writing meaningless words to you. I still like blueberries over raspberries. I still prefer quality toilet paper over rough toilet paper. i still prefer beautiful girls over ugly girls in regards to who I'd like to have sex with. etc etc. I still have ego, you see? Ego is not a problem. Not being conscious of ego is a problem, tho, relatively speaking. But as you say, the tension, the contractions in body and mind of being a separate self that could die, yes, I know these, I had them all my life -- they aint nice --, and they disappeared 1 month ago after a deep 2cb-trip where I cried 4 hours straight by realizing I was God and that I'd always been God. (=Love). So in that sense I have died before I have died. There is no fear of death anymore, no background fear at least. Of course if a bear crawled into my bedroom I'd probably scream and jump out of the window. As I said, free expression, no resistance. Depression is the opposite of free expression, and in that sense we could say 90%+ of all human ppl are depressed. they just dont know it.

Yes, I listened to it. Thank you for giving me the time stamps, and sorry for being rude before. I liked what he was saying. Yes, there is a difference between a realization of something (i.e. no-self) and then a constant feeling of inner peace, freedom of expression, happiness. This is what I call awakening of the heart. He calls it to die before you die, sure. I get the difference, I surely do. I experienced no-self 4 years ago. IT was just that: a realization. The feeling of separateness/sense-of-self emerged right after the psychedelic had got out of my blood. Now, I don't call that permanent awakening. Sure, it was an awakening, but I still felt like a separate self in my daily life. Permanent awakening - to me - is constant seeing yourself in everything (i.e. no feeling of separateness anymore). Or we could call it just a constant state of no-self. It's the same feeling.

Where? Death to who? Let's be real. Death is death is biological death. I can put a knife in your heart and your body dies. That's death. So I'm very glad to hear that this has not happened! lol Of course, you may be talking about ego-death. But ego-death is such a funny concept, because there is no self that can die in the first place. Ego-death to me just refers to the dissolving of all bondaries between what you used to call 'me' and 'other.' Or we could call ego-death pure being without any sense of self, any thoughts, just pure being, pure bliss. Of course 'the sense of a separate self' as a feeling is very real for 99% of people. That sense of separate-selfness can die. It has died for me, but not to you? Is that what mr. A-cba-to-learn-to-spell-that-name is talking about?

Can you with a few words explain what he is talking about? This death thing? I have watched enough of that A-guy, can't really learn anything more from I feel like, so cba to watch him. (may be wrong, but thats how I feel, got other things to do). "The I-thought might disappear when full enlightenment happens that I don't know." How does this align with "awakening has already happened" ?? To me awakening and full enlightenment is pretty much one and the same thing, ... but not to you, huh?

I edited my post to include some more thoughts. Death is a meaningless word. Or it's an illusion. Or it's the Ultimate Blessing. The Ultimate Gift. Who dies? Who could die? No one! lol I am not angry. LOL. I'm sitting here smiling haha. I'm just making fun with/of you, for kicks. That you think I'm angry is rly just your projection <3 From one perspective, yours', sure I can see why what I just wrote is nonsense. From another perspective -- a higher one I'm afraid, or maybe not -- it makes perfect sense. You'll see when you awake. I'm very aware that I can not just go over to one of my non-spiritual friends and say "Imagine that you are God, and you will be God!" . That's not how it works, ofc. The reason it doesn't work that way is that the dude has zero clue what I mean by "God" and also because even if he had a clue, internally, and emotionally he would keep on insiting to be 'a poor little me' stuck in a cruel cold feeling-less external materialistic independent world.

I love that one. A good one for all my friends who are still asleep. <3 @lostmedstudent always <3

If there is no inside and outside for you anymore, and you still keep telling yourself you are not awake, then wauw, someone must hold you firmly by your balls, man. Who is it? Your wife? Yourself perhaps? Or some guru you keep donating money to? You see, brother, life is imagination. If you imagine that you are not awake, then you are not awake. If you imagine you are awake, then you are awake. Wake up "And the separate self falling away further and further." Yes okay, maybe you are not quite there yet. You will get there when you realize that there was no separate self to begin with. No separate self that can fall anywhere. The experience you're currently having of a 'separate self falling further and further away' is sure real enough, but at some point in "your journey" you will come to realize that that too was a dream/illusion. <3

"everyone else" is a concept. "planet" is a concept. Now, don't make any mistake. Your parents will of course be very, very sad if you died. (im not being sarcastic; I almost threw myself before a train of depression, but stopped in the last minute due to me realizing I would make my family insanly left in sorrow if I did so). Concepts are good. There is nothing wrong with concepts. The concept "other/everyone else" is a very useful concept if you want to dream up this life you are living now. A very useful one; we couldn't do without it, it seems. Anyway, sure, your parents would be sad. But what makes you so sure that you are any different than your parents? What makes you so sure that your mother's pain and sorrow will not turn out to be YOUR sorrow, if you killed yourself? How come your mother experiences her own stream-of-consciousness and you experience your own-stream-of-consciousness? What is the difference between your mother and you? Two different bodies you say? Two differentt brains/persons/mind, you say? Sure, I agree. But who/what is imagning the bodies? The persons? The minds? Who - what - is behind the masks of all persons/bodies? God/Love/YOU!/ME! So if you killed "your body" you fucking bet someone would be sad. You! As your parents and as your family. ME! You see? ITS ALL FUCKING ONE BRO. WE ARE ALL ONE. YOU ARE ME AND I AM YOU. THATS WHY I KEEP REPATING MYSELF OVER AND OVER IN HERE. I LOVE YOU ALL BECAUSE YOU ALL ARE ME! HAHAAHAHA <3 <3 <3

You just feel and know yourself to be everything outside your own personal body as well as that body, so in that sense the I-thought just gets changed to be all-loving, all-embracing. By the way, wauw, I love this phrase by Matt: "You created it all only, only you dont remember, because that was before memory was imagined" - so fucking on point man , wauw. Also "This is the Love Revolution. So welcome yourself in. And as you do, I welcome you home as the Love that I am. I am the Love that you are, you are the Love that I am. I will dwell in eternity in the Kingdom of Your Heart. Thanks for making a home for me within you. You'll always have a home in me. I love you" <3 <3 <3

Fuck this Newman guy (no I am making fun, I love him, and he speaks truth from one very legitimate perspective, sure). let's all listen to some Matt Kahn now: "Experiences are how Divinity communicates with itself. The One-In-All that embraces itself as the All-In-One ... Every planet in the solar system but a different organ in your body of consciousness. Every person in this planet but a different cell in your celestial body. And all of it come to life in multi-dimensional shape, color, sound and texture just so you can personally experience the infathomable reality that you are through a series of improbable encounters. ... This moment is an absolute miracle. It is occuring only because you say it is so. And because you are here, it unfolds only to serve the unfolding of your own magnificent potential. ... This world is Holy Ground because it is you who walks upon it ... And let no character in your play ever intimidate you again ............" <3

Do you mean thoughts? Or only identification with thoughts? Thoughts are never a problem. Thoughts are Love like everything that else that arises. Thoughts are (like everything else) qualia-like-subjective-experiences put into you by The Universe/Love/God/The Self/Your True Self/"No One" . Thoughts are amazing man. I love all my thoughts. All of them. I didn't do that pre-awakening, necessarily. Again, the problem is only identifcation with thoughts, taking them seriously, believing they are your own doing, believing they tell something absolutely true. They never do. Thoughts are just play man, Love, play. Enligtenment is not equal to a state of no-thoughts. That is a trap to believe that. The funny thing is, though, that when you love all your thoughts and stop worrying about them, then you can easily focus on the present and immerse yourself in it and no thoughts will come, but only pure bliss. As long as you believe thoughts are a problem -- eg. when meditating -- they will keep coming, you can be sure of that lol!

we can never agree on it lol. you can keep looking on the finger pointing to the moon forever, but you wil never see the moon no matter how long you look on the finger.

some very nice music indeed. house is gut <3

As long as you WANT to download insights from the Universe, you won't get any downloads. There is no you anywere. No self. When you finally realize that what you thought you were is an illusion (i.e. no self, only Love), then you can perhaps get some downloads from the universe. Ultimately, the universe is fucking you. Haha. So it is just insights from yourself. And this has always been the case. Every thought, every emotion you perceive is the universe putting it into your mind, and you believe you are in control. LOL Let go bro <3 i love you

" My self-esteem is so low that I wouldn't ever dare ask for help in a clear way" What do you got to lose? Every time we are afraid of asking others for help it is because we believe we have something to lose. Contemplate if you actually have anything to lose by asking someone for help. (hint: you don't, it's all in your head). You should check up on Enneagram and try to found out which type you are and read up on it. I finmd Enneagram extremely useful and interesting in regards to spiritual development. ". I'm just so intellectually stupid, it doesn't even make sense anymore. " Haha bro, no you're not. Any human being who says that he is intellectually stupid is just by the virtue of being so self-conscious automatically more intelligent than most other human beings. That it doesn't makes sense is perfectly fine. I've been there too. It's tough, but it will pass. Have faith in the proces. " If reality is imaginary, then what is real?" Good question. Form is emptiness. Emptiness is form. The world is Heaven. Heaven is the world. Nirvana is Samsara. Samsara, Nirvana. Non-duality 101. It's all One.

Take a walk outside, listen to some music in headphones. I can recommend the album "Dive" by Tycho. It's without lyrics, which is perfect for immersing oneself in the beauty of the present now (music always helps me get in the present, beacuse listening to music is 100% meaningless and 100% meaningful at the same time, it's the most beautiful thing).

LOL - brilliant one

read the thread

stop spamming random posts or u'll get banned soon:-) combine all ur random insights into one post instead of this infantile dicking around

Enlightenment is not something you think you are or aren't. Enlightenment is feeling free. Feeling peace. It is a constant expression of Love. No resistance, no depression of anything. It is True Unconditional Happiness. In that sense, the word liberation is more appropriate. All roads that do not lead to the Heart; they are illusion.

if it's real for you, sure it is real i'm not saying it's not real i'm saying that everything is real and unreal at the same time real - unreal , it is the same chillax bro <3

"This one is hard stuck on me. So basically, God is imagining every possible devils in order to find the perfect answers to anything that could possibly ever happen to it?" very well put. Yes, I'd say you could say that. The 2nd world water and Hitler was a perfect devil in the sense that it required enomours amounts of love/consciousness to get out of it and now prevent it from ever happening again. "To be honest, I feel like we are desperate machines trying to find the "best" thing that could be done, but if good and bad are the same thing, then what are we even trying to do? Why did it have to be so complicated? Personally, I have a hard time giving up the idea that "others" exist because then what would be the point of trying hard to do anything? Is it all meaningless?" If you feel like we are desparate machines trying to find the optimal solution for all our problems, then that is what is true for you. That's your reality. And I can say it was my reality as well for quite some time. Ultimately it's perfectly fine to have that view; it has its pros and cons, like every other worldview has. Awakening/LIberation/Enligtenment is just a letting go of all world views. Anyway, see, for you, good and bad are not the same thing (emotionally at least), so don't fool yourself now. The essence of emotions/raw feelings is always what is most true for you. Don't ignore your emotions. Sure, what the emotions then 'tell you' with words is often not-true, but the raw qualia-sensation of emotions; don't run away from them, they are what is the case in the now. Immerse yourself in the now when you meditate. Let go of yourself, accept all thoughts and emotions. No effort is needed. Just relax. Anyway, "Why did it have to be so complicated? " cos when you then "finally get there" it is 1000090076234515x more rewarding than if it had been easy, you see?:-) Just like everything else in life. To finally finish your education ONLY FEELS NICE exactly because it took you 10-20 years to finish it! If it took an hour to finish a whole 10-year-worth of education, it would be the same as watching a TV-series; not rly rewarding. "Personally, I have a hard time giving up the idea that "others" exist because then what would be the point of trying hard to do anything? Is it all meaningless?" Don't give up the idea. Let it be. Let everything be exactly as it is. It is only when you accept and love every aspect of yourself, that you can truely transcend yourself. Don't force anything to happen. When Leo says meaningless words such as "others dont exist" dont believe him. The only "good thing" you can take away from such a Leo video is that it can help you opening your mind to infinite possibilities. I.e. it can help you make you more open. But don't believe anyone. Follow your own heart and intuition. No, it is not all meaningless. Relax, there is infinite wisdom, infinite love behind the curtains of your dream-life. Relax! i love you <3

in the context of the awakening of the heart, they are born awake. in the context of awakening of the mind, they are born asleep. THe dynamics between these two changes as they slowly reach the teenager years where ego is max developed (probably around 15 years of age). As ego is max developed, the heart is now max asleep, and the mind is still very much asleep (but less than a stone/ape/baby). Now the goal for the teenager is to awaken in both mind and heart. <3 Took only 10 years for me (15 - 25).