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Both marked statements are true! Guess that's why I don't enjoy having relationships and come together in groups. It's lovely to spend time with a friend or a girlfriend just the two of us. But I'm not sentimental in a way that I have to keep a particular friend/girlfriend for ever, or even for long time. If you like the other person, if their is truly love and respect it's much easier to leave them when life changes. Because you have that person inside of you anyway. The culture you build up will never leave, even if you leave the person. Strangely, long term relationship that wasn't true love and understanding is much harder to break, seem like a paradox, but that's how it is! Perhaps the truth surface that there never was a "real" relation that hurts. I dunno, it's strange. Being in groups we can never avoid, but if you don't know the people that well, it's a smother ride I think. You don't care that much.

Not really, I only know that Einstein was highly intuitive, he wasn't that much of an academic skilled mathematician. He also seem to have a spiritual side, he crediting the universe to God, didn't he? He said something along the line that "God doesn't play dice", I guess he saw some structure and beauty in the universe. Although he had a trouble life regarding to people. He said something like "universe and human stupidity are infinite, at least human stupidity" I don't know much about relativity other then it proves that time and space are relative entities. Since nothing can travel faster then the speed of light in relation to something else, that results in some wired consequences regarding how we normally perceive time and space. Please, update me. Would love to know more about what we can learn from Einstein.

I'm just a happy person, and I like to be that in social contexts as well. A group is not happy(real happiness) unless all members feel comfort and happiness.

@Nahm I need to catch up with modern science, I thought they were still stucked in the materialist paradigm. But as you indicate and as Leo said, modern science admits they can't find anything such as "matter" And from a non dual perspective it really doesn't matter, because if everything was matter, the reality would still be non dual. Matter can't create duality, that goes without saying.

You get what I meant! I almost feel less creative when I meet my family. They are great, but very materialistic and traditional. They can't understand anything but the conventional way to live life. I love contemplating, , listening to music, reading poetry, exercising(running mostly), meeting a girlfriend(I never have one night stands, and I faithful, but I love to exchange them quite frequently, I like the process of getting to know a new women), meditating(happens automatically to me when ever I'm alone) I can't stand small talks, talks about practical stuff, talks about work or gadgets. It just suck my creative energy away. I'm also very sensitive to social atmospheres, I like it to be VERY pleasant when ever I'm in a social context. I like to make sure everyone feels good. And that is quite stressful to have that responsibility when you suppose to talk about things you don't bother about. I can't understand why anyone like to socialise unless you talk about existential stuff or share love/humor and friendly bulling.

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Valid point!

Enlightenment is the toughest and hardest suicide option that will ever exist.

@Leo Gura Quite informative and very interesting, thanks! But I have to say I miss those lovely rants agains society and science I use to hear from you! @tsuki Good point!

Very good! Resonates with me. Thank you.

Let say you had a troubled upbringing and you pushed all the negative feelings away from those experiences into your subconscious mind and never deal with them. Is their a residue in your body from those unresolved negative feelings even if you manage to become enlightened later in life? Let say you really discover that the present now is all there is, that the ego is an illusion, you find that blissful, happy and peaceful state. You become enlightened to a certain degree. Can old traumas really get you then? It's an illusion any way, since there is no "you" that had those hurtful experiences in the past, right? It was just painful experiences, but they didn't belong to anybody, no owner of those so to speak. Therefore, no one who has to deal with them later? Or is there a need to work through all that from a body-mind perspective before you can concentrate fully on "your" enlightened and spiritual process? In short, do you have to work to create a healthy ego so to speak, before you can transcend it, or can you do a shortcut and transcend a "broken" or "failed" ego, since it's just an illusion in the first place?

I know, I love that quote!

Yes, that's why all teachings are false. Ramana Maharshi said that silence is the highest teaching for this reason. But since his adepts didn't understand what he meant by that he had to guide them from another angel, using a temporary persona. It seem like a paradox to become a lie in order to tell the truth. But it's very effective. This paradox is very common in art! Fiction writing is more powerful then any realistic description to describe the truth and mechanics of the world/society. Lies are necessary to tell the truth sometimes. Just read George Orwell - 1984. Also in painting, Picasso wanted to explain and reveal to us what we subconsciously feel when we look at reality/others. In order to do so he had to paint..not how reality looks like, but how it FEELS like. Lies can indeed reveal deeper truths. @Outer, have you read 1984, George Orwell?

This is a very important clip! Spiritual people get depressed because spiritual life is anti-world. But world will always be out there. Creating suffering for you. By admitting that, one can manage an optimal approach to it! Heaven is within, that's why we are on the right path, but we can't project that to the world, that's is to be highly naive. We must be realistic here. We must have a little bit of evil strategies in us, just to handle the world, but the evil in us should be as little as possible, just to safe us from depression. That's the best compromise there is. Purely spiritual people will not survive the world, and evil people doesn't feel good. That's where we have to find balance. Find the minimum evil(mind, ego) that creates the best life. Btw, thanks to all you guys who commenting in this thread, you know who you are. Means the world to me since this is the most important subject for me to contemplate at the moment.

Bob Dylan - "Political world" Part of lyrics.. ...LOVE don't have any place... ...WISDOM is thrown in jail It rots in a cell Is misguided as hell Leaving no one to pick up the trail (Love and wisdom are within)

WHO WE KILL (TO THE WONDERFUL TONES OF JOHN LENNON'S "IMAGINE")

There is a thread in this forum discussing honesty at the moment! Very important topic. And when you start knowing yourself deeper, it's hard to even make a "white" lie. It's like your core self is something that wants to shine with constant truth, honesty and love. I'm really convinced that knowing yourself is equal to knowing God. And knowing yourself is by far the greatest thing ever to spend time doing. Nothing is more worthwhile. Nothing can compare in terms of satisfaction, then to knowing yourself and unwire all the layers of brainwashing. It's just that you can't bring love and wisdom to the world, the world refuse to change, and will always refuse to change. Existence is really a double edge sword, God inside and the Devil outside. In this short clip the great GREAT George Carlin tells you how it is. Timeless truths!

How can there be isolation when you increase consciousness? When you increase consciousness you will find out there is NO outer world. Everything is just you. All people are you. Why do you need isolation from yourself? Only ego seeks out for isolation. Increased consciousness is all about openness, oneness, union and unconditional love. Did you increase fear instead of consciousness? (I think your thread is very good, this is my experience as well! I play the devils advocate here to stimulate discussion and find out some answers. Thank you.)

One time I was out playing with a friend, I was about 8 years of age. This was wintertime, late afternoon, but already dark outside, all stars was shining bright and clear. It was as if time stood still, just me and my friend in our magical adventurous bubble. We were building a cave in the snow. The play had such an importance to us. So much creativity and seriousness(in a good way) poured into the cave that we build. Totally absorbed in the game, yet I was totally detached also, I was full of mysterious presence. Like if I was in contact with the presence of other galaxies and dimensions. A devine experience. I think the darkness outside with all the stars helped me to feel this way. Me and my friend were all alone in the area where we played, which added to the adventurous feeling. My parents house was just 100m away, but it felt like that belonged to another universe or something. I was overwhelmed with this positive mysterious feeling/experience. I had many experiences of this kind as a child. Very rich and profound experiences of the mystical nature of reality. The reason I tell you about this particular anecdote above is that I found it strange that my friend didn't tune in to the divine mysteriousness, that I experienced that afternoon winter day. My friend was just as absorbed in our play as I was, great chemistry between us, but he didn't experience any of these mysterious and magical qualities of reality. Imagine.., being 8 years of age, playing with your best friend, time has collapsed due to the presence of the adventurous game you play, stars are shining down on you, so peaceful and quiet, yet so alive.. ..I mean, if you don't find life mysterious under these circumstances, you never will. It seem like many, if not most people go through life without these experiences though! What do you think? Is it a rare thing to be exposed for this highly satisfactory experiences/feelings? Does it require you to be sensitive to have those? I'm very sensitive, and I remember Leo told us once he is too. And many people seem to be highly sensitive persons here. Maybe that's a good thing when it comes to capabilities of these types of experiences? Or maybe it hasn't anything to do with that?

The one who can answer the million dollar question gets the money!

Grand tour is very good for personal development, I've done it when I was in your age. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Tour

@Vipassana Your point is valid from an absolute perspective. But there is a relative perspective as well. We must hold both as true simultaneously if we like to formulate this conceptually. You both are and aren't Leo and your mother. You see?

@DodoPeople are not smart enough here to understand math, specially not Dodo-weed-math! Even I have some difficulties with the Dodo-weed-math, and I am a skilled mathematician.

..I would love to be active on a forum where only people with very high IQ are members. Even as a dummy myself, I would love to just hover around a forum like that, just to see the topics they discuss. After all, very intelligent people are lonely since their personality shoots over peoples heads so to speak. So, there should be a demand for a forum like that, or do people with high IQ prefer to do their intelligent contemplations and work all alone? I don't think this person mind, since I'm gonna crediting, hope I don't embarrass him, but @Outer is an example of a man with VERY high IQ. I'm not saying he is necessary more evolved spirituality wise or emotionally wise, he is probably like us, he aims for enlightenment and have glimpses of the infinite just like us. He might be ahead at this field as well, I can't judge on that. But I know that he's probably the highest ranked member at this site, IQ wise. And there are probably hundreds if not thousands like him out there in the world. How come there are no forum for people like that, that would be inspirational for us as well. Or maybe there is, but I haven't seen or found anything, have you? It's cool to read about people like late William Sidis, Grigori Perelman, Terence Tao and specially CHRISTOPHER LANGAN who is insanely intelligent. He actually solved the whole fuck.ing puzzle of reality. It's sheer beauty. His model of EVERYTHING is called CTMU, Here's a link btw. http://www.ctmu.org/ Anyway, where on earth do these brilliant minds express the selves on internet?

Why link free will to ego? "will" is something that somehow arise in reality. If that "will" unfolds without resistance, we call it "free will" Simple as that! No need to add an agent to execute that free will