Leo Gura

What does that even mean??

Tier 2 for sure

This is confusing two different issues. Vaccines were never designed to make you healthy. They are designed to prevent viral spread. Vaccines will not solve poverty either.

Changing the world is not what defines Tier 2. Tier 1 changes the world plenty. Tier 1 has way more power to change the world. Musk will change much more of the world than me. But I am more cognitively developed than him.

@Jehovah increases Then how do you explain that Oregon is so screwed up?

@aurum Those All-In Podcast people are the biggest scumbags. Makes me want a Marxist revolution just to see them pitchforked, even though I'm not a Marxist. They are so cartoonishly corrupt that they don't even try to hide because they don't even realize it's corruption. Bank robbery in broad daylight. What's amazing is how selective their intelligence is. They are very intelligent in all areas except when it comes to recognizing their own corruption they suddenly have an IQ of 70. The self-deception is stunning.

You are only allowed to dance from 9:05pm to 9:15pm every Tuesday and Thursday.

@OBEler Tell them the truth: you'd rather listen to an Actualized.org lecture

All 3 are true: Western medicine is corrupt Anti-vaxxers are corrupt and ignorant. Vaccines are needed for public health.

Wear earbuds and tell them you're just going to listen to music.

It's overlooked because nature's intelligence will not save you when you get a serious, life-threatening disorder. Millions of people died from Covid. Nature's intelligence killed them. But anti-vaxxers don't have enough intelligence to understand that.

Anti-vaxxers are incoherent. They will get the vax out of fear or comformity but then also badmouth it and blame their personal health issues on it. Like, I got the vax but then my ass started to itch so vaccines are bad and Big Pharma lied to me. If vaccines were safe my ass wouldn't itch. I'm not even allowed to sue Big Phrama for my itchy ass. Corruption!!! They reason like children.

The devil's dilemma.

They are criticizing sceince from below, not above. Just because you're vegan or healthy doesn't mean you know how to reason about national health policy. These are totally different things. 60% of the population is obese and does not eat healthy and you are not going to change that by giving them a lecture about organic food or getting flouride out of the water. You need solutions that saves their lives when shit hits the fan. These people are so stupid that they don't understand that the only reason they and their families didn't die without vaccines is because they got lucky. These people think God, nature, and organic food will protect them. This is pre-rational thinking and does not rise to the level of science. Understanding vaccines requires statistical scientific reasoning, which 60% of the population isn't capable of. Which is why they are ripe for RFK's bullshit facts and conspiracy theories. This is what happens when people don't learn STEM rationality. These people fundamentally don't understand what science is or how it works. Which is why going to college is important.

You have to read between the lines. Yes, they speak about society as a whole, but its a projection of their personal anecdotal experience, like their kid had a problem, therefore vaccines are bad, or someone they knew died so vaccines are bad, or they eat health food so vaccines aren't needed, or they believe in God so what God gave us is enough, or their doctor pressured them into getting vaccines, so healthcare is corrupt, or their child is healthy, so no problem, or they know someone who got a vaccine side-effect so vaccines are bad, or they deserve personal freedom over their body so no vaccines needed. These anti-vaxxers cannot think statistically and scientifically, they think by personal stories and anecdotes, and they parrot crap they heard on Facebook or from RFK. Epistemic Nitwits.

You need to start with smaller problems/questions before you try to grasp the ultimate nature of reality. Start with smaller, more grounded questions which you can experience immediate success with by having genuine insights. Over years the small insights will accumulate and open doors to deeper insights. Make sure you keep your philosophy grounded to direct experience. Investigate and make observations about the workings of your own mind. Here's an assingment to get you started on the right track: Observe and categorize every function of your own mind. What are all the things your mind does or can do? Don't speculate. Observe it and write them down. Make philosophy more like science you do on yourself. Ultimate reality is so radical that it cannot be understood from your normal state of consciousness. A change in state is required. Smaller questions don't require a change in state.

No, that line of questioning is misguided. Stop trying to reduce it. It's like I'm trying to get you to recognize the ocean and you're saying, "Oh, H2O, yeah, I know that." No! H2O is not what I mean when I say ocean. If you equate ocean with H2O then you missed the ocean. God is the ocean, not H2O.

That's not what I'm pointing to when I say God. Again, of course you can reduce everything down to emptiness, but that's not the same as consciousness of God. A reductionist mistake is being made. If you are equating God with emptiness you're got grasping the significance of God. You're just conscious of emptiness and calling it God. Which is not what I'm talking about.

No, the ground for me is the same as for the Buddhist. Consciousness/Mind is emptiness when reduced down. But realizing God is not about realizing emptiness.

I think that would vary a lot from person to person. You need to find what makes you feel most creative. For me, about 5 days of nonstop meditation makes me very creative. So I'd start with that. Just force yourself to sit and do nothing all day long. Eventually your mind will start to fill the void with creative thoughts.

Just have something more important to worry about. When you're not doing anything important with your life, then your mind will be consumed with petty worries. You just need a big picture that drowns out the noise. Teaching people about psychedelics is just far more important than feeling shame about what trolls think. Of course if your job would fire you for talking about such things then don't talk about it until you get a better job.

@zurew Rationality is still better than pre-rationality. Of course rationality turned into rationalism is not enough. But it's better than not. All these anti-vaxxers need to start by learning basic rationality. Then we can talk about what comes next.

Share perspectives here about the American economic situation under Trump.

You can notice that these anti-vaxxers are so selfish. Their entire understanding of public health policy is just a projection of whatever they feel is right for them personally. They don't have enough cognitive development to distinguish between what is healthy for them as individuals vs what is needed for the health of 100s of millions of people. Their minds are so narrow they cannot think beyond themselves and their tiny circle. You can just see that all these anti-vaxxers have low cognitive development. These people pre-rational. They have notdeveloped rationality. So you cannot reason with them.