Leo Gura

What is ridiculous is how little you are contemplating the intelligent things I told you. Instead coming back at me with such silly false equivalencies. Chinese economic progress is largely the result of adopting Western business practices and trade with the West. So that supports my point more than yours. If China and Russia both went full West, they would have even more economic abundance. It means a guy appointing himself dictator for life. Don't play stupid with me. Hermeneutics? Are you fucking kidding me? Putin will rape you in the ass with a poison-tipped dildo. There's your hermeneutics. Yeah, well, my understanding of love excludes poisoning your political opponents, throwing journalists and oligarchs out of windows, or imprisoning gays and minorities in re-education camps. - - - - - It's like you didn't even consider for a minute the things I said above. So I will stop here. Think before you respond to me.

That wisdom comes with development. You can't have wisdom when you can't feed your children. You can't just tell people to stop caring about survival and pursue wisdom. Notice that humans still behave like animals without any technology.

That's a very charitable characterization of Chinese authoritarianism. Dugin is a nationalist, which is not very intelligent. There is something universal to Consciousness and human psychic development. Or if not universal, at the very least human. We're not dealing with xenomorphs here. We're dealing with fellow humans. Morality is not purely relative within humans, there is a shared genetic basis. Do not pretend like tribes of humans are all aliens to each other. It's not messianic thinking, it's Consciousness and Love. But more practically, to your level of comprehension, there is such a thing as cognitive, moral, political, and spiritual development. And China and Russia are both "objectively" less developed on average than America. Not everything is as relative as you claim. As I said above, if you want one simple objective metric of a country's development just look at the corruption index and LGBTQ rights: https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2022 https://www.equaldex.com/equality-index You can try to weasel your way out of this by appeals to relativity, but don't kid yourself. People abuse relativity quite badly to make silly moral false equivalencies. Russia and China are less cognitively, morally, spiritually, and politically developed than America. And that is why their economies are weaker and the rich flee from there. Most of the best scientists, engineers, and businesspeople leave Russia and China for the West. Why do you think I'm in America and not in Russia? The kind of work I do could not be done in Russia or China. They would have killed me long ago. Thus the Western world primarily benefits from my work. And I'm just one example.

Look, we've had nukes, chemical weapons, and biological weapons for 70 years and we've managed to do pretty well. Humans aren't all that stupid. Realistically, we're not developing anything more dangerous than nukes yet. At the end of the day if this AI gets out of hand we will just bomb the shit out of it. It's not some invincible monster. We can track the location of every major datacenter where these AI could live.

I am skeptical of this binary paradigm. I think it is all too popular to overdramatize the death of mankind. There is a realist middle ground where lots of people suffer but mankind lives on as always, slowly evolving as we tend to do. One thing I know for sure is that we are not gonna get rid of our devilry any time soon. Never bet against the devil

Reminds of the Joe Pesci character from Casino. He had a soft side, in between beating your head in with a telephone and crushing your head in a vise.

Bitter, mentally-ill people come from all backgrounds.

You have much to learn in the ways of scamming people, young Padawan. Humble yourself before the scam-master.

I don't know that playing Game B will help you survive when you are encircled by sharks. I think the biggest mistake these Game B theorists make is underestimating the resilience of human civilization. Human civilization is the most anti-fragile thing on this planet. That's my guess. But I could be wrong.

Except you can't make a baby any faster by telling your wife, "We don't have that much time to fuck around." It will take as long as it takes. Humans are selfish and stubborn, and you can't moralize them out of it. As much as I love Schmachtenberger, he lives in a fantasy land of 1st world privlege. As do all of his friends. Putin will come and rape all their wives. That's how Game B ends if you are not careful. Game B ONLY works when every player in the game is developed to Tier 2. And almost noone is. So just calculate how long it will be till a majority of humans are Tier 2. There is your timeline.

@RebornConsciousness Silence! Where is your Bugatti?

Dugin almost sounds convincing, until you realize he's full of shit. Putin's philosophy is a loser. As was communism. Communism and capitalism were not equal systems. One was better. And Putin is making an analogous mistake again, setting Russia back again. Putin should have liberalized and Westernized, as Ukraine did. An alliance between the US and Russia would have been a strong net gain for Russia. Now Russia is committed to backwardness for decades while the US will have an AI revolution. Putin's lust for power has set his country back in progress. The problem for Putin is that progress in not compatible with his authoritarian style. So of course it is an existential threat to him. China will face a similar problem. Progress will be an existential threat to the CCP. Their government structure is not sustainable. These are the problems I see with this whole multi-polar world theory. Not all the poles are equal in moral development. Spin it all you want, but at the end of the day Russia and China are corrupt as fuck, which is the key metric of development. And neither of them want to admit it. They act like their shit don't stink when in fact it stinks more than American shit. America is far from perfect, but Russia and China are further from perfect, except that they also both lie to themselves about that.

These days men are pussies, so don't worry

@zurew Timeframe becomes very important here. In the long-run everything will probably converge to a hive-mind techno-Communism. But not for a 1000 years.

How much more proof do you need? We are at war right now. The Ukraine war is Putin rejecting the Western model. He wants his own model which suits him and his people. It is questionable how much the Western neoliberal globalist regime is truly as universal as the West loves to tell itself. And even if it is, it will take a lot of conflict before everyone accepts it because no one wants to admit being wrong and giving up power. The Russian model has little chance of outcompeting the US, but the Chinese model seems very competitive. In the end I think the Western American model is the best there is, but this is not immediately obvious and many around the world will not accept it willingly for a long time. Of course we will move to Game B in the long run, but not in the short and medium run. My biggest issue with all these intellectual types talking about Game B is that they are living in fantasy land. The world does not run on Game B and it will not in our lifetimes. The Ukraine war and the China situation prove this very starkly. The US Defense Department right now has a report that we will be at war with China by 2025. These hippies live in fantasy land. They need to be airdropped into a warzone to ground themselves. It's too easy to philosophize about Game B when you are wealthy, comfortable, and have all your needs met. Most of the world is looking to slit someone's throat for bread and oil.

@Mikesinfinity Correct. You're dreaming a world around yourself and then denying that you do so because that would spoil the dream you worked so hard to create. Dreaming involves a lot of work. You don't want to just throw it all away. You are very attached to it.

@acidgoofy I will play EDM while I beat you to hasten your awakening.

You are in for such a beating.

Your aerodynamic retardation will cost you 10 years.

Picture me beating you with a broomstick of pure love.

But this is exactly what doesn't work. Look at how China and Russia refuse the Western model and would rather go to war.

Of course you have to be careful not to adopt this as a belief. An Awakening is required wherein to comprehend what is being pointed to with the words.

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There is a lot more than distinctions. You have turned the notion of distinctions into yet another kind of reductionism. You've just replaced atoms with distinctions. This is not going to get you far. No. I gave a clear explanation, examples, and practical guidance. Stop yammering and sit down and investigate the nature of comprehension. Comprehension exists in your experience. Don't ask me, look at it in you. You comprehend things all the time in minor and major ways. Examine what that is.

Unsure.